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POST MATCH THREAD : Charlton Athletic V Portsmouth : Tuesday 17th February 2026 : KO 19:45

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  • fenlandaddick
    fenlandaddick Posts: 1,943
    We were shite, but that ref was a fucking idiot.
  • Alwaysneil
    Alwaysneil Posts: 14,203
    When the away support is singing about paying the ref later he's not had a good game
  • orpingtonRED
    orpingtonRED Posts: 3,498
    Total rubbish... Kamikaze holding his hand up after the first went through him started the rot. After that it just fell apart. .

    We just don't have a creative midfield I think we have scored 17 home league goals, take off the 3 against Blackburn and it's grim.

    Special praise to one of the worst referring displays ever. Even my pompey mates watching at home were laughing about their penalty. 
    Last night was bad. However we have played well against Leicester millwall West brom Blackburn Watford Sheffield Wednesday Swansea  Sheffield United Coventry. When you look at it we are capable of picking up 10 points so just hope the others dont puck up more
  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 5,197
    ct_addick said:
    I think the reason I and maybe others are so pissed off is the fact that we are playing shit Pulisesque hoofball. If we went out and had a go by playing a quick passing game and giving it to a forward who could actually beat a defender and create chances it might be different. We were crying out for a creative midfielder in the transfer window but that did not get addressed. I’m having a hard time watching it TBH. Someone said survival is the goal and if I want entertainment go the cinema.  Fuck that I want players who will get me out of my seat. I don’t want L1 football….its an awful watch but yet that is what we are playing. 
    Try and play like that with our budget and squad, we’d end up straight back in league 1. 

    Maybe it’s just me but I really couldn’t care less how we play, if we win I’m happy, if we lose I’m not. Whenever we are on a good run no one seems to care about the style of play
  • Alwaysneil
    Alwaysneil Posts: 14,203
    We've had some good parts of games recently and when we do we tend to win. While i understand the 'don't care if we play badly as long as we win' approach, we are more likely to win if we play well and when we are playing well the football is not solely route one shite (although largely it is)
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 71,240
    Hmm. When he says we had the better chances I'm not sure what game he was watching.

    He does seem genuinely deflated in that interview.
    It was a low quality game, their right back aside.

    I know people love to slate xG but it does paint a picture on nights like this.

    Charlton 0.80
    Pompey 1.14 (0.79 came from a very harsh pen so 0.35 otherwise)

    Don’t think Jones is wide of the mark to say we had the better chances. But I won’t argue we did enough to deserve to win the game.

    If Kaminski doesn’t flap and Devlin doesn’t spank one in off the post, we’re talking about a 1-1 draw with a harsh Pompey penalty.
    They’re all ‘ifs’ though Cal and you can pretty much work most results that way. ‘If Sheff U didn’t get 2 men sent off…’  ‘if Leicester scored their penalty, or took any of their 21 shots v 9, or 1.98 xg v 1.31…’ etc 

    I missed a chunk of the first half, but from what I saw, we were awful last night, but it wasn’t an outliner. 

    If you analysed the last four months you’d conclude to pick up points we need either the opposition to be reduced or really not be at the races:

    Nov - West Brom 1-0 late winner - WB last 4 games were 3 losses, 1 draw and have continued to flounder
    Dec - Oxford 1-0 - Ox run at that point was 1 win in 10
    Jan - Sheff U 1-0 - Sheff U 9 men 1st half
    Jan - Leicester 2-0 - Leicester early 10 men, massive low around club and have lost 7 of last 8 games
    Feb - Stoke 1-0 - Stoke now no wins in 8

     


    Realistically, as a newly promoted side without a Hollywood budget, we're not going to be better on paper than most of the sides in this division, so when we beat teams there will have to be an element of them underperforming, or unusual circumstances like the 2 red cards for the Blades.

    I'm not excusing the poor performance last night, but nearly all the teams in this division have bigger budgets and better players than us. Even Pompey who will be in a similar ballpark to us financially have the benefit of an additional year's experience at this level.

  • th0rryy
    th0rryy Posts: 385
    edited February 18
    Certainly up there as one of the worst performances this season. As many, many others have said, it was peak NJ hateball - just without the "keep it 0-0 at the half and maybe we nick one later". Individual failings are at the core of this result: Kaminski howler shouldn't happen, the ref having main character syndrome and Fevrier giving the ball away for the third. Credit to Pompey for the performance under the circumstances. Lots of injuries and still have more fight than we did, boosted by an away following who turned up en masse on a cold Tuesday night and sung more than a lot of the bigger sides do on a Saturday. Mousinho clearly knew exactly how to deal with us by packing and winning midfield, and they impressed me.

    It's one step forward, then one back. Leicester and Stoke performances suggested we might have returned back to our earlier formula, but at it's core with Coady in midfield and WBs that are clearly told to be very cautious, we end up with a block of 7 players that are purely there to defend and only defend. The performances are a very, very hard watch and arguably only give a level of joy when we do scratch and claw our way to winning by a singular goal.

    I understand it. NJ is setting his side up to do the only thing he feels like he can with the players he has, and doing so to ensure he keeps his job and, by proxy, keep ourselves in the division. It must feel so utterly hateful to play up front for Charlton right now. We have one creative outlet in Carey and everything else is just pure hateful hoofball to the big lads. Staying up is all that matters, but I can't lie and say I enjoy the system NJ employs to get us there. We are overperforming compared to the expectation and, for that, NJ deserves credit. I just wish that he would have even a slightly more expansive Plan B when we are behind.

    I just find it hard to stomach when he is essentially shrugging and says we don't have the quality - yet clearly just drills these players to bypass midfield entirely. He knows these players better than me, but I'm desperate to see JR-C, Coventry and Carey start in midfield, and then sprinkle in Fullah again. Let them pass the ball. Let the WBs go forward. I get the fear about opposition players attacking us with pace. It's a style of play to keep us up and and drag us kicking and screaming to the points total we need (and we're not entitled to be here any more than anyone) but this style of play combined with a lack of performance really hurts my soul. 

    Frustrating.
  • sm
    sm Posts: 2,988
    NJ can't do a blind thing about a GK that has a tamely struck shot form outside the area go through his legs.
    The Ref was booking anything in a Red shirt, and I think we were lucky to end up with 11 on the pitch at FT.
    Pompey were running with pace and purpose and finding space all over the pitch leaving us chasing shadows.
    All the good work against 9 man Sheff Utd 10 man Leicester , and the battling draw against an injury struck QPR
    is forgotten.
    We must now get something from Southampton, and WBA is a must win, given we have the circus and the NFL coming to town and are away to Northern cloggers Boro. 
    It was not a tame shot by a long shot  if you sat behind the goal the shot was very hard low , come through players then swung in front of Kaminski.. who did not have time to react ..
    any goalkeeper at this level should have stopped it,  but Carey also shares 10% of the blame for allowing the full back to wander past him while his thoughts were elsewhere.
  • Croydon
    Croydon Posts: 13,222
    shirty5 said:
    DOUCHER said:
    robroy said:
    Just seen the footage of Jones walking to the tunnel having a go. Proper unhinged that!


    Haven’t seen it but I prefer unhinged to uncaring - hope the players got a bit of the unhinged as well 
    There’s a clip on Twitter, it’s not a good look 
    Until we know what got said to him, surely we have to keep an open outlook? - F**k all this bullshit that he's the Manager... blah blah blah... If someone has said something out of order to him, then he's got every f**king right to go off on one

    Pretty fair response from him. Looked funny when it happened as Jones was so angry, but I was watching from the upper tier so no idea what was said
  • Croydon said:
    shirty5 said:
    DOUCHER said:
    robroy said:
    Just seen the footage of Jones walking to the tunnel having a go. Proper unhinged that!


    Haven’t seen it but I prefer unhinged to uncaring - hope the players got a bit of the unhinged as well 
    There’s a clip on Twitter, it’s not a good look 
    Until we know what got said to him, surely we have to keep an open outlook? - F**k all this bullshit that he's the Manager... blah blah blah... If someone has said something out of order to him, then he's got every f**king right to go off on one

    Pretty fair response from him. Looked funny when it happened as Jones was so angry, but I was watching from the upper tier so no idea what was said
    Oh I heard it.
    Some old bat was shouting, Nathan, Nathan, stop biting your nails look you or I'm going to put on some bitter aloes.
    Jonesy was screaming, Mum, mum just shut up I can't help it

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  • TellyTubby
    TellyTubby Posts: 3,636
    Think people also forget our performance was heavily affected  by the ridiculous number of bookings .. where we would press right into the player we had 5/ 6 players first half who could not get tight so gave Pompey players more freedom on the ball 
    But the early bookings weren’t exactly underserved. Clarke kicked the ball away. That’s a yellow card. It was a stupid thing to do. Chambers was late, that’s a yellow. 
    I would normally agree that kicking the ball away is a yellow card. A card is given because the act is a clear attempt to give a player's team mates a chance to regroup and prevent a quickly taken free kick.

    On this occasion the Pompey cheat was rolling around on the ground looking for an Oscar and was in no hurry to get back into the action. So Clarke's act of kicking the ball away was never going to influence when the game restarted.

    Yeah, he was stupid to give the ref the excuse, but a proper ref would have ignored it and checked out the player on the ground.
  • TellyTubby
    TellyTubby Posts: 3,636
    When the away support is singing about paying the ref later he's not had a good game
    Maybe this was what made him keep his card in his pocket later in the match, and not give the two other pen decisions against us. He realised that he had already filled the brown envelope. 
  • Elthamaddick
    Elthamaddick Posts: 16,214
    mogodon said:
    Hmm. When he says we had the better chances I'm not sure what game he was watching.

    He does seem genuinely deflated in that interview.
    It was a low quality game, their right back aside.

    I know people love to slate xG but it does paint a picture on nights like this.

    Charlton 0.80
    Pompey 1.14 (0.79 came from a very harsh pen so 0.35 otherwise)

    Don’t think Jones is wide of the mark to say we had the better chances. But I won’t argue we did enough to deserve to win the game.

    If Kaminski doesn’t flap and Devlin doesn’t spank one in off the post, we’re talking about a 1-1 draw with a harsh Pompey penalty.
    I think we got away with the one in the second half though when Ramsay shoved their guy over. Looked far more of a pen than the one he did give and i'd have wanted it given if it was down the other end. Pretty sure the ref gives that if he hadn't given them the first half one.
    No chance. Adams stepped across Ramsay looking for / initiating that contact. One of the rare moments the ref was clever enough to spot what was going on.
    Let's be serious here. It was another one he got wrong ... he did seem to be giving a few our way in the second half, perhaps he was worried about getting out alive after his piss-poor first-half showing
    We commented at the start of the 2nd half that we reckoned the assessor must’ve had a word at HT with him, otherwise can’t see how he doesn’t give the Ramsey challenge 
  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 11,297
    th0rryy said:


    I understand it. NJ is setting his side up to do the only thing he feels like he can with the players he has, and doing so to ensure he keeps his job and, by proxy, keep ourselves in the division. It must feel so utterly hateful to play up front for Charlton right now. We have one creative outlet in Carey and everything else is just pure hateful hoofball to the big lads. Staying up is all that matters, but I can't lie and say I enjoy the system NJ employs to get us there. We are overperforming compared to the expectation and, for that, NJ deserves credit. I just wish that he would have even a slightly more expansive Plan B when we are behind.

    This is Jones’s biggest flaw in my opinion. He has a set method and style of play and that is fine but if it doesn't work or the opposition figure out how to counter it, he has absolutely nothing else. As soon as we meet any team we can't bully or grind down (or have a referee who is card happy) the entire plan falls apart as any player with a modicum of actual ability has been browbeaten into avoiding anything resembling individuality.

    Jones is a manager who really can't expect anyone to believe "the players weren't doing what I want/expect" when EVERYTHING is so clearly made in his mould. I'm not saying Jones out as what he does can work and has worked. But I do think he has some very obvious flaws and little apparent willingness to address those.
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 16,580
    thenewbie said:
    th0rryy said:


    I understand it. NJ is setting his side up to do the only thing he feels like he can with the players he has, and doing so to ensure he keeps his job and, by proxy, keep ourselves in the division. It must feel so utterly hateful to play up front for Charlton right now. We have one creative outlet in Carey and everything else is just pure hateful hoofball to the big lads. Staying up is all that matters, but I can't lie and say I enjoy the system NJ employs to get us there. We are overperforming compared to the expectation and, for that, NJ deserves credit. I just wish that he would have even a slightly more expansive Plan B when we are behind.

    This is Jones’s biggest flaw in my opinion. He has a set method and style of play and that is fine but if it doesn't work or the opposition figure out how to counter it, he has absolutely nothing else. As soon as we meet any team we can't bully or grind down (or have a referee who is card happy) the entire plan falls apart as any player with a modicum of actual ability has been browbeaten into avoiding anything resembling individuality.

    Jones is a manager who really can't expect anyone to believe "the players weren't doing what I want/expect" when EVERYTHING is so clearly made in his mould. I'm not saying Jones out as what he does can work and has worked. But I do think he has some very obvious flaws and little apparent willingness to address those.
    I’m not sure this is quite true but I think it nearly hits the issue. I think the players are so drilled into one system they struggle when they have to play a different way. I think NJ has the ideas of what he wants to do but the players aren’t comfortable with them yet, mainly because he’s had to spend so much time drilling them into one way of playing
  • BigDiddy
    BigDiddy Posts: 1,351
    edited February 19
    fenaddick said:
    thenewbie said:
    th0rryy said:


    I understand it. NJ is setting his side up to do the only thing he feels like he can with the players he has, and doing so to ensure he keeps his job and, by proxy, keep ourselves in the division. It must feel so utterly hateful to play up front for Charlton right now. We have one creative outlet in Carey and everything else is just pure hateful hoofball to the big lads. Staying up is all that matters, but I can't lie and say I enjoy the system NJ employs to get us there. We are overperforming compared to the expectation and, for that, NJ deserves credit. I just wish that he would have even a slightly more expansive Plan B when we are behind.

    This is Jones’s biggest flaw in my opinion. He has a set method and style of play and that is fine but if it doesn't work or the opposition figure out how to counter it, he has absolutely nothing else. As soon as we meet any team we can't bully or grind down (or have a referee who is card happy) the entire plan falls apart as any player with a modicum of actual ability has been browbeaten into avoiding anything resembling individuality.

    Jones is a manager who really can't expect anyone to believe "the players weren't doing what I want/expect" when EVERYTHING is so clearly made in his mould. I'm not saying Jones out as what he does can work and has worked. But I do think he has some very obvious flaws and little apparent willingness to address those.
    I’m not sure this is quite true but I think it nearly hits the issue. I think the players are so drilled into one system they struggle when they have to play a different way. I think NJ has the ideas of what he wants to do but the players aren’t comfortable with them yet, mainly because he’s had to spend so much time drilling them into one way of playing
    It was obvious after 25 mins that his tactics in this game were wrong - he should have beefed the midfield at that point because Carey cannot defend and Coady cannot run. Portsmouth’s second team just walked past us.

    The only player in our squad who is able to put his foot on the ball and look forward is Fuller, but he is nowhere near the team.

    So our tactics were “sit back, triangles around the back and then lump it forward to Dykes and Leaburn”. Occasionally, Clarke and Carey got into positions, but that was it. Last few games, Carey has made some bad decisions by thinking he will shoot rather than look up and pass.

    We have a weak squad, but If we deploy stupid tactics on tap of that, we end up being overrun by a 2nd rate Pompey team. We also invite pressure from corners at both ends. When we defend a corner, we never leave anyone up. On corners we take, we rarely win the second ball.

    My earlier points about NJs poor in-game management is highlighted in this game - we could all see the car crash before it happened with their first goal and even after the changes at half time, we had no impact on the game.

    We are 1 dimensional and Pompey outwitted us tactically - i do not accept they had a better team or a Hollywood budget.

    Their manager did a better job than ours and that is why we lost and were massively outplayed.

    Will NJ change his tactics ? I doubt it and that is why I do fear for us, even if we stay up this season.

  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 11,297
    fenaddick said:
    thenewbie said:
    th0rryy said:


    I understand it. NJ is setting his side up to do the only thing he feels like he can with the players he has, and doing so to ensure he keeps his job and, by proxy, keep ourselves in the division. It must feel so utterly hateful to play up front for Charlton right now. We have one creative outlet in Carey and everything else is just pure hateful hoofball to the big lads. Staying up is all that matters, but I can't lie and say I enjoy the system NJ employs to get us there. We are overperforming compared to the expectation and, for that, NJ deserves credit. I just wish that he would have even a slightly more expansive Plan B when we are behind.

    This is Jones’s biggest flaw in my opinion. He has a set method and style of play and that is fine but if it doesn't work or the opposition figure out how to counter it, he has absolutely nothing else. As soon as we meet any team we can't bully or grind down (or have a referee who is card happy) the entire plan falls apart as any player with a modicum of actual ability has been browbeaten into avoiding anything resembling individuality.

    Jones is a manager who really can't expect anyone to believe "the players weren't doing what I want/expect" when EVERYTHING is so clearly made in his mould. I'm not saying Jones out as what he does can work and has worked. But I do think he has some very obvious flaws and little apparent willingness to address those.
    I’m not sure this is quite true but I think it nearly hits the issue. I think the players are so drilled into one system they struggle when they have to play a different way. I think NJ has the ideas of what he wants to do but the players aren’t comfortable with them yet, mainly because he’s had to spend so much time drilling them into one way of playing
    That's a distinction without a difference isn't it? If Jones has spent so much time and effort drilling ONE way that the players aren't comfortable or able to do anything different, that's still on him.
  • Thought we were absolutely honking against pompey but looking at the season more generally I do think there is a lack of realism in some comments on here.

    It's very easy to say 'I'll take finishing 21st all day', but not consider what that actually means. If you finish 21st, you have lost a lot and probably been battered a number of times. You are almost the worst team in the league. Actually going through that, before you know if you will make it to that 21st spot, is a tough slog.

    And people saying they expected us to be more fluent as the season went on, or that Jones said we would, I again don't think that's realistic. Maybe I'm forgetting a comment from him, but in the comments I remember I'm sure he is talking longer term ie once we've been at the level for a few years. This year is always about surviving, which means outperforming a very small budget, which means defending well, working hard, minimising risk etc aka ugly football.

    As for those who seem to be saying they'd rather we knocked it about expansively on our way to relegation back to league one, not for me thanks. 
  • We may have created chances in the final half hour, but the other team is obviously going to let you have the ball more and create more when they are 3-0 up. So claiming better chances from NJ is ridiculous and ignoring the game state.

    We had 5 shots to their 9 in the first half, whilst having 38% possession. Forgive me if I don't think we were unlucky.
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 16,580
    thenewbie said:
    fenaddick said:
    thenewbie said:
    th0rryy said:


    I understand it. NJ is setting his side up to do the only thing he feels like he can with the players he has, and doing so to ensure he keeps his job and, by proxy, keep ourselves in the division. It must feel so utterly hateful to play up front for Charlton right now. We have one creative outlet in Carey and everything else is just pure hateful hoofball to the big lads. Staying up is all that matters, but I can't lie and say I enjoy the system NJ employs to get us there. We are overperforming compared to the expectation and, for that, NJ deserves credit. I just wish that he would have even a slightly more expansive Plan B when we are behind.

    This is Jones’s biggest flaw in my opinion. He has a set method and style of play and that is fine but if it doesn't work or the opposition figure out how to counter it, he has absolutely nothing else. As soon as we meet any team we can't bully or grind down (or have a referee who is card happy) the entire plan falls apart as any player with a modicum of actual ability has been browbeaten into avoiding anything resembling individuality.

    Jones is a manager who really can't expect anyone to believe "the players weren't doing what I want/expect" when EVERYTHING is so clearly made in his mould. I'm not saying Jones out as what he does can work and has worked. But I do think he has some very obvious flaws and little apparent willingness to address those.
    I’m not sure this is quite true but I think it nearly hits the issue. I think the players are so drilled into one system they struggle when they have to play a different way. I think NJ has the ideas of what he wants to do but the players aren’t comfortable with them yet, mainly because he’s had to spend so much time drilling them into one way of playing
    That's a distinction without a difference isn't it? If Jones has spent so much time and effort drilling ONE way that the players aren't comfortable or able to do anything different, that's still on him.
    Think it depends on what you think the root cause of that is. For me the root cause is that he’s still having to undertake a squad overhaul from where we were when he arrived. He could only attract certain players to L1 football and then to relegation favourites football. Hopefully as we establish ourselves in this division the quality of player increases as does the tactical load the can take on 

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  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,637
    This game was an aberration, the team had some kind of collective mental and physical paralysis .. they need to snap out of it a s a p
    The next three games will all be VERY difficult and every point we gain from now til season's end will be critical if we're to stave off relegation
  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 11,297
    fenaddick said:
    thenewbie said:
    fenaddick said:
    thenewbie said:
    th0rryy said:


    I understand it. NJ is setting his side up to do the only thing he feels like he can with the players he has, and doing so to ensure he keeps his job and, by proxy, keep ourselves in the division. It must feel so utterly hateful to play up front for Charlton right now. We have one creative outlet in Carey and everything else is just pure hateful hoofball to the big lads. Staying up is all that matters, but I can't lie and say I enjoy the system NJ employs to get us there. We are overperforming compared to the expectation and, for that, NJ deserves credit. I just wish that he would have even a slightly more expansive Plan B when we are behind.

    This is Jones’s biggest flaw in my opinion. He has a set method and style of play and that is fine but if it doesn't work or the opposition figure out how to counter it, he has absolutely nothing else. As soon as we meet any team we can't bully or grind down (or have a referee who is card happy) the entire plan falls apart as any player with a modicum of actual ability has been browbeaten into avoiding anything resembling individuality.

    Jones is a manager who really can't expect anyone to believe "the players weren't doing what I want/expect" when EVERYTHING is so clearly made in his mould. I'm not saying Jones out as what he does can work and has worked. But I do think he has some very obvious flaws and little apparent willingness to address those.
    I’m not sure this is quite true but I think it nearly hits the issue. I think the players are so drilled into one system they struggle when they have to play a different way. I think NJ has the ideas of what he wants to do but the players aren’t comfortable with them yet, mainly because he’s had to spend so much time drilling them into one way of playing
    That's a distinction without a difference isn't it? If Jones has spent so much time and effort drilling ONE way that the players aren't comfortable or able to do anything different, that's still on him.
    Think it depends on what you think the root cause of that is. For me the root cause is that he’s still having to undertake a squad overhaul from where we were when he arrived. He could only attract certain players to L1 football and then to relegation favourites football. Hopefully as we establish ourselves in this division the quality of player increases as does the tactical load the can take on 
    That much we can agree on. I admit to a degree of scepticism as to just how much growth and improvement Jonesball has scope for but I would welcome being wrong.
  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 5,197
    edited February 19
    thenewbie said:
    fenaddick said:
    thenewbie said:
    fenaddick said:
    thenewbie said:
    th0rryy said:


    I understand it. NJ is setting his side up to do the only thing he feels like he can with the players he has, and doing so to ensure he keeps his job and, by proxy, keep ourselves in the division. It must feel so utterly hateful to play up front for Charlton right now. We have one creative outlet in Carey and everything else is just pure hateful hoofball to the big lads. Staying up is all that matters, but I can't lie and say I enjoy the system NJ employs to get us there. We are overperforming compared to the expectation and, for that, NJ deserves credit. I just wish that he would have even a slightly more expansive Plan B when we are behind.

    This is Jones’s biggest flaw in my opinion. He has a set method and style of play and that is fine but if it doesn't work or the opposition figure out how to counter it, he has absolutely nothing else. As soon as we meet any team we can't bully or grind down (or have a referee who is card happy) the entire plan falls apart as any player with a modicum of actual ability has been browbeaten into avoiding anything resembling individuality.

    Jones is a manager who really can't expect anyone to believe "the players weren't doing what I want/expect" when EVERYTHING is so clearly made in his mould. I'm not saying Jones out as what he does can work and has worked. But I do think he has some very obvious flaws and little apparent willingness to address those.
    I’m not sure this is quite true but I think it nearly hits the issue. I think the players are so drilled into one system they struggle when they have to play a different way. I think NJ has the ideas of what he wants to do but the players aren’t comfortable with them yet, mainly because he’s had to spend so much time drilling them into one way of playing
    That's a distinction without a difference isn't it? If Jones has spent so much time and effort drilling ONE way that the players aren't comfortable or able to do anything different, that's still on him.
    Think it depends on what you think the root cause of that is. For me the root cause is that he’s still having to undertake a squad overhaul from where we were when he arrived. He could only attract certain players to L1 football and then to relegation favourites football. Hopefully as we establish ourselves in this division the quality of player increases as does the tactical load the can take on 
    That much we can agree on. I admit to a degree of scepticism as to just how much growth and improvement Jonesball has scope for but I would welcome being wrong.
    He’s literally done it before though? I’d understand the scepticism if there wasn’t any evidence that Jones could take a team from the bottom end of the championship to the top but he’s literally done it the only other time he’s been given the chance too. Based on that it’s more likely that he does do it than doesn’t, if we give him the time and the backing 
  • We need to get real here,even last year,our football was hardly flowing,we got the clean sheets and defended them and won by a free kick at Wembley.We all know we needed creative mid field players,we brought in a few who we maybe thought could do the job,JRC,Knibbs,Apter on the right,but it has not worked out.There is no money to spend on the level of player who could do the job consistently,so we have to sign players who are untried at this level or maybe a bit past their best and hope we can get a tune out of them.Now put yourself in the managers position.he picks the team,sets his stall out,and wallop,our keeper lets the ball go past him from 25 yards,game plane out of the window.Look at Stoke away off the back of a drubbing,early in the game,2 hopeful crosses result in goals,Millwall away,early on Keeper some how throws the ball at his own player,goal.Derby, home,simple cross to defend,Gillespey kicks it into his own goal,Millwall home,easily on top,Ramsay Brain fart.Wrexham away,Hernandez decides to play basket ball.Just what can Jones do about these sort of things,
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,510
    I don’t really know why people are lamenting our style of football. I don’t expect beautiful, creative football. All I want is Charlton to win. I couldn’t care less how we do it and I’d rather win 20 matches in a season with dire, route one football than 19 matches playing like peak era Barcelona.

    When I’m watching football as a neutral I want entertainment and excitement, completely different when it comes to Charlton. 
  • Alwaysneil
    Alwaysneil Posts: 14,203
    Even so, when we play well we are generally on the front foot and create chances and are unlucky to lose or draw. When we dont play well we are on the back foot, mostly lose badly and are lucky to draw or even scrape a win with solid defending and a amash and grab.

    I'd rather we played well and created chances, ideally scoring more %age wise than we do. 
  • JT_87
    JT_87 Posts: 38
    I drove up from Hampshire for first game since play off final, got stuck on M25 for 2 hours, missed the first half, watched absolute shite for 50 mins and drove 3 hours home.

    Cheers