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  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 5,587
    edited May 21
    Steven81 said:
    follett said:
    I actually saw Holsgrove play in November 2024 against Porto. They lost 4-0 that day and the whole team was dreadful. Can’t say he stood out that day but his stats in general look impressive 
    He also scored the winner against them in 2023 which was an upset.I do also wonder about the level of the league as a whole in comparison to the championship as someone also stated above but they do have some big teams in Porto, benfica and sporting lisbon etc which you would think would fair well in the prem.

    Here's the goal anyway.

    https://youtu.be/0S1A4Z830fU?si=2GBy6-i0teJdvGal



    Opta have a system where they rank league quality. Portuguese Premier league is one place above the championship so pretty similar level 
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 37,289
    Read online that Billy Mitchell has turned down a new deal at Millwall and is being linked with a move to Watford.
  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 14,422
    When was the last time we had a central midfielder who could consistently really dictate and control a game? I feel like we're just not that kind of club. Cullen was never that deep controlling pivot and had some runs in the side where he was fairly anonymous, JFC never really managed to pull it off either. Dobson was reverse control, he was all about putting out fires instead of preventing them. McGrandles couldn't do it, Kilkenny couldn't do it, Taylor couldn't do it and I don't think Coventry or Coady have really managed it either. I'd really love a deep-lying midfielder who other teams look at enviously and ends up being nicked by a promotion or lower PL side, it feels like a kind of player we just don't know how to identify no matter who's in charge of the club
  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 11,509
    Garrymanilow said:
    When was the last time we had a central midfielder who could consistently really dictate and control a game? I feel like we're just not that kind of club. Cullen was never that deep controlling pivot and had some runs in the side where he was fairly anonymous, JFC never really managed to pull it off either. Dobson was reverse control, he was all about putting out fires instead of preventing them. McGrandles couldn't do it, Kilkenny couldn't do it, Taylor couldn't do it and I don't think Coventry or Coady have really managed it either. I'd really love a deep-lying midfielder who other teams look at enviously and ends up being nicked by a promotion or lower PL side, it feels like a kind of player we just don't know how to identify no matter who's in charge of the club
    Maybe not one single player but the Stephens/Hollands partnership was a very effective "base" in the Powell season - recreating a similar duo would go a long way.
  • DamoNorthStand
    DamoNorthStand Posts: 12,270
    thenewbie said:
    Garrymanilow said:
    When was the last time we had a central midfielder who could consistently really dictate and control a game? I feel like we're just not that kind of club. Cullen was never that deep controlling pivot and had some runs in the side where he was fairly anonymous, JFC never really managed to pull it off either. Dobson was reverse control, he was all about putting out fires instead of preventing them. McGrandles couldn't do it, Kilkenny couldn't do it, Taylor couldn't do it and I don't think Coventry or Coady have really managed it either. I'd really love a deep-lying midfielder who other teams look at enviously and ends up being nicked by a promotion or lower PL side, it feels like a kind of player we just don't know how to identify no matter who's in charge of the club
    Maybe not one single player but the Stephens/Hollands partnership was a very effective "base" in the Powell season - recreating a similar duo would go a long way.

    If memory serves me right, we really started to motor when it was Hughes and Hollands.

  • Danny Addick
    Danny Addick Posts: 4,112
    Valley11 said:
    Wonder if as well as Holsgrove we’ll go back for Sam Field after reportedly being in for him in January?
    Surprised to see he’s only just 28. 
    Bags of experience and maybe one to replace Coady in the DM role. 
    Hope not, chose to go to Norwich instead of us so he’s had his chance. 
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 24,005
    DamoNorthStand said:
    thenewbie said:
    Garrymanilow said:
    When was the last time we had a central midfielder who could consistently really dictate and control a game? I feel like we're just not that kind of club. Cullen was never that deep controlling pivot and had some runs in the side where he was fairly anonymous, JFC never really managed to pull it off either. Dobson was reverse control, he was all about putting out fires instead of preventing them. McGrandles couldn't do it, Kilkenny couldn't do it, Taylor couldn't do it and I don't think Coventry or Coady have really managed it either. I'd really love a deep-lying midfielder who other teams look at enviously and ends up being nicked by a promotion or lower PL side, it feels like a kind of player we just don't know how to identify no matter who's in charge of the club
    Maybe not one single player but the Stephens/Hollands partnership was a very effective "base" in the Powell season - recreating a similar duo would go a long way.

    If memory serves me right, we really started to motor when it was Hughes and Hollands.

    Andy Hughes might be the most absurdly gassed-up player in our history. Didn't he start like 8 games ever 
  • RonnieMoore
    RonnieMoore Posts: 5,100
    According to Pompey News , Valencia along with another Spanish team are interested in Luke Graham who been linked with a number of clubs 
  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 14,422
    Leuth said:
    Garrymanilow said:
    When was the last time we had a central midfielder who could consistently really dictate and control a game? I feel like we're just not that kind of club. Cullen was never that deep controlling pivot and had some runs in the side where he was fairly anonymous, JFC never really managed to pull it off either. Dobson was reverse control, he was all about putting out fires instead of preventing them. McGrandles couldn't do it, Kilkenny couldn't do it, Taylor couldn't do it and I don't think Coventry or Coady have really managed it either. I'd really love a deep-lying midfielder who other teams look at enviously and ends up being nicked by a promotion or lower PL side, it feels like a kind of player we just don't know how to identify no matter who's in charge of the club
    Put some motherfucking respect on Yoni Buyens' name, bitch 
    Was he your first Naby?

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  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 24,005
    Garrymanilow said:
    Leuth said:
    Garrymanilow said:
    When was the last time we had a central midfielder who could consistently really dictate and control a game? I feel like we're just not that kind of club. Cullen was never that deep controlling pivot and had some runs in the side where he was fairly anonymous, JFC never really managed to pull it off either. Dobson was reverse control, he was all about putting out fires instead of preventing them. McGrandles couldn't do it, Kilkenny couldn't do it, Taylor couldn't do it and I don't think Coventry or Coady have really managed it either. I'd really love a deep-lying midfielder who other teams look at enviously and ends up being nicked by a promotion or lower PL side, it feels like a kind of player we just don't know how to identify no matter who's in charge of the club
    Put some motherfucking respect on Yoni Buyens' name, bitch 
    Was he your first Naby?
    I think it was Bradley Pritchard who awakened something in me, but generally everyone else loved him too. One of the early ones though, sure
  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 14,422
    DamoNorthStand said:
    thenewbie said:
    Garrymanilow said:
    When was the last time we had a central midfielder who could consistently really dictate and control a game? I feel like we're just not that kind of club. Cullen was never that deep controlling pivot and had some runs in the side where he was fairly anonymous, JFC never really managed to pull it off either. Dobson was reverse control, he was all about putting out fires instead of preventing them. McGrandles couldn't do it, Kilkenny couldn't do it, Taylor couldn't do it and I don't think Coventry or Coady have really managed it either. I'd really love a deep-lying midfielder who other teams look at enviously and ends up being nicked by a promotion or lower PL side, it feels like a kind of player we just don't know how to identify no matter who's in charge of the club
    Maybe not one single player but the Stephens/Hollands partnership was a very effective "base" in the Powell season - recreating a similar duo would go a long way.

    If memory serves me right, we really started to motor when it was Hughes and Hollands.

    I think we were already quite motory before that. We'd played 13, W8 D4 L1 before Stephens got injured. Hughes came in for only 5 games where we got some great results but I think his influence was fairly overstated. Wright-Phillips was in a ludicrous run of form where he got 7 goals across those 5 games and you probably could have put Frimpong in that midfield and got by in that period. Darel Russell came in for the Huddersfield game and after that game Hughes only played another 2 minutes of football across the rest of the season. Stephens was overly criticised that season for sitting too deep, which was sometimes true to be fair, but he was also playing in a midfield 2 and doing the work you'd expect of two players in that spot and was only about 22 years old. Hughes just didn't have the legs to do that longterm which is why he was just a stopgap until we could get Russell in on loan to relieve him. Russell could do the niggling and covering that Stephens did but not the playmaking. Stephens is exactly the kind of player I'd like to see us pick up again, only this time without losing him on a free  
  • sam3110
    sam3110 Posts: 23,174
    I agree with @Leuth Buyens was mustard. Him, Bulot, JBG and Vetokele, when they were all fit and firing on the same team, the RD vision *almost* made sense, if you had 8 pints and squinted
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 24,005
    Also worth remembering that Diego Poyet I was absolutely that player, although Diego Poyet II was so far from being that player it physically hurts to remember him now 
  • Pelling1993
    Pelling1993 Posts: 7,501
    Leuth said:
    Garrymanilow said:
    When was the last time we had a central midfielder who could consistently really dictate and control a game? I feel like we're just not that kind of club. Cullen was never that deep controlling pivot and had some runs in the side where he was fairly anonymous, JFC never really managed to pull it off either. Dobson was reverse control, he was all about putting out fires instead of preventing them. McGrandles couldn't do it, Kilkenny couldn't do it, Taylor couldn't do it and I don't think Coventry or Coady have really managed it either. I'd really love a deep-lying midfielder who other teams look at enviously and ends up being nicked by a promotion or lower PL side, it feels like a kind of player we just don't know how to identify no matter who's in charge of the club
    Put some motherfucking respect on Yoni Buyens' name, bitch 
    Best penalty taker of all time. Not only did he never miss, I never even saw the goalkeeper dive the right way
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 71,926
    Buyens was a brilliant penalty taker and a classy midfielder, but also a bit weak defensively. I remember him getting a lot of soft yellow cards for shirt pulls. 
  • superdulvertonred
    superdulvertonred Posts: 1,234
    Always felt confident with him and Mark Reid taking penalties 
  • YannTheMann
    YannTheMann Posts: 1,392
    If we're reminiscing on the RD era then I say bring back Anil Koc
  • Redrobo
    Redrobo Posts: 11,410
    Scott Wagstaff has signed for Dartford.
    Always better than Green.
    Another one we have missed out on.
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,725
    stjohnshill said:
    Been told Jordan Holsgrove is one we are after
    Jordan is a grandson of John Holsgrove a very good defender for Palace, Wolves and Shef Wed in the 1960s/70s

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  • DOUCHER
    DOUCHER Posts: 8,782
    Garrymanilow said:
    When was the last time we had a central midfielder who could consistently really dictate and control a game? I feel like we're just not that kind of club. Cullen was never that deep controlling pivot and had some runs in the side where he was fairly anonymous, JFC never really managed to pull it off either. Dobson was reverse control, he was all about putting out fires instead of preventing them. McGrandles couldn't do it, Kilkenny couldn't do it, Taylor couldn't do it and I don't think Coventry or Coady have really managed it either. I'd really love a deep-lying midfielder who other teams look at enviously and ends up being nicked by a promotion or lower PL side, it feels like a kind of player we just don't know how to identify no matter who's in charge of the club
    Claus Jensen then Danny Murphy (sort of when he had Darren Bent to slide in) then Andy Reid who we sold and then got relegated. Haven't really had what i'd call a proper play maker since. Nearest maybe was Dale Stephens. We've had other great engines / box to box players like Parker, Cullen and both Hollands, but not a real playmaker. Coventry passes the ball and then stands still. Docherty passes backwards and then moves out of the way. We need a pass and move player who can also carry the ball instead of the one dimensional manouvering we do to get it to the wings and then sling a cross in and hope.  
  • LTKapal
    LTKapal Posts: 1,321
    NabySarr said:
    Steven81 said:
    follett said:
    I actually saw Holsgrove play in November 2024 against Porto. They lost 4-0 that day and the whole team was dreadful. Can’t say he stood out that day but his stats in general look impressive 
    He also scored the winner against them in 2023 which was an upset.I do also wonder about the level of the league as a whole in comparison to the championship as someone also stated above but they do have some big teams in Porto, benfica and sporting lisbon etc which you would think would fair well in the prem.

    Here's the goal anyway.

    https://youtu.be/0S1A4Z830fU?si=2GBy6-i0teJdvGal



    Opta have a system where they rank league quality. Portuguese Premier league is one place above the championship so pretty similar level 
    Id argue that graph tells me the opposite, as an average portugese league number will be skewed by the big clubs, sporting, benfica etc raising the value to a higher degree than for example a yo-yo team like burnley so to me that would indicate that the rest of the league as an average is slightly below champ standard
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 35,818
    Garrymanilow said:
    When was the last time we had a central midfielder who could consistently really dictate and control a game? I feel like we're just not that kind of club. Cullen was never that deep controlling pivot and had some runs in the side where he was fairly anonymous, JFC never really managed to pull it off either. Dobson was reverse control, he was all about putting out fires instead of preventing them. McGrandles couldn't do it, Kilkenny couldn't do it, Taylor couldn't do it and I don't think Coventry or Coady have really managed it either. I'd really love a deep-lying midfielder who other teams look at enviously and ends up being nicked by a promotion or lower PL side, it feels like a kind of player we just don't know how to identify no matter who's in charge of the club
    Kins 
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 24,005
    "Coventry stands still" yeah exhibit 379473 in why I have to step in against the slander. He has his deficiencies, this is about as far from one of them as it's possible to get 
  • Rothko
    Rothko Posts: 19,209
    RonnieMoore said:
    Coventry is head and shoulders our best player in the squad .. hence why Middlesbrough wanted him in January .. class player who reads the game so well .. unfortunately hampered by hip injury but till a player to build the team around 
    1 out of 10, it's just fucking boring now
  • DOUCHER
    DOUCHER Posts: 8,782
    edited May 21
    Leuth said:
    "Coventry stands still" yeah exhibit 379473 in why I have to step in against the slander. He has his deficiencies, this is about as far from one of them as it's possible to get 
    How many times have you seen him pass and move up the pitch ? I'm not saying he doesn't work hard but he is giving the ball to others to do something with - he is as far from a playmaker as you can get - he takes the ball off the keeper, or off our defenders, gives it and then that's it. You can argue that's what he's told to do but that's what he is comfortable doing and i've seen no evidence to the contrary. He is not going to be converted into Zidaine, that's for sure.   
  • pettgra
    pettgra Posts: 1,607
    Garrymanilow said:
    When was the last time we had a central midfielder who could consistently really dictate and control a game? I feel like we're just not that kind of club. Cullen was never that deep controlling pivot and had some runs in the side where he was fairly anonymous, JFC never really managed to pull it off either. Dobson was reverse control, he was all about putting out fires instead of preventing them. McGrandles couldn't do it, Kilkenny couldn't do it, Taylor couldn't do it and I don't think Coventry or Coady have really managed it either. I'd really love a deep-lying midfielder who other teams look at enviously and ends up being nicked by a promotion or lower PL side, it feels like a kind of player we just don't know how to identify no matter who's in charge of the club
    A bit harsh on Amdy Faye I must say.
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 18,384
    Leuth said:
    "Coventry stands still" yeah exhibit 379473 in why I have to step in against the slander. He has his deficiencies, this is about as far from one of them as it's possible to get 
    What are his deficiencies?
  • CAFCBill
    CAFCBill Posts: 415
    pettgra said:
    Garrymanilow said:
    When was the last time we had a central midfielder who could consistently really dictate and control a game? I feel like we're just not that kind of club. Cullen was never that deep controlling pivot and had some runs in the side where he was fairly anonymous, JFC never really managed to pull it off either. Dobson was reverse control, he was all about putting out fires instead of preventing them. McGrandles couldn't do it, Kilkenny couldn't do it, Taylor couldn't do it and I don't think Coventry or Coady have really managed it either. I'd really love a deep-lying midfielder who other teams look at enviously and ends up being nicked by a promotion or lower PL side, it feels like a kind of player we just don't know how to identify no matter who's in charge of the club
    A bit harsh on Amdy Faye I must say.
    I remember one day at school, my Manchester United, Chelsea, Arsenal etc supporting friends were having an argument about who had the best midfielder at the time. They turned to me and asked me who Charlton had in central midfield, and I had to say Amdy Faye. It wasn't a great day  

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