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Charlton accounts 2024/25
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I believe the women`s team is costing the owners one million pounds plus per season at the moment.Henry Irving said:
No, seperate companycharltonnick said:Do these financial figures include the women's team ?0 -
According to Methven women’s football costs about 1M in the 2nd division and around 5M in the WSLmsomerton said:
I believe the women`s team is costing the owners one million pounds plus per season at the moment.Henry Irving said:
No, seperate companycharltonnick said:Do these financial figures include the women's team ?
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Didn’t appreciate the numbers are that high.Crispywood said:
According to Methven women’s football costs about 1M in the 2nd division and around 5M in the WSLmsomerton said:
I believe the women`s team is costing the owners one million pounds plus per season at the moment.Henry Irving said:
No, seperate companycharltonnick said:Do these financial figures include the women's team ?On that basis it’s worse performance / financial result than the men’s team.It’s purely speculative by the owners to subsidise on the guess / assumption it’s going to be a bigger deal in the future.1 -
Would make more financial sense to shut down the underperforming arm of the business that loses the most money and concentrate on the team with the smaller financial burden. Would be a shame to wrap up that side but that's business. Bye, bye mens team.Crispywood said:
According to Methven women’s football costs about 1M in the 2nd division and around 5M in the WSLmsomerton said:
I believe the women`s team is costing the owners one million pounds plus per season at the moment.Henry Irving said:
No, seperate companycharltonnick said:Do these financial figures include the women's team ?5 -
So to summarise, every single club in the EFL lost more money than Arsenal, Liverpool and Man City combined. Excellent.se9addick said:Kieran Maguire has posted a profit/loss (adjusted for player trading) comparison across the English clubs that have filed their 2024/25 accounts.
On a side note, Cardiff losing 35m in a year they got relegated to league one is pretty incredible.4 -
Gone a couple of days early there, Henry.Henry Irving said:
Would make more financial sense to shut down the underperforming arm of the business that loses the most money and concentrate on the team with the smaller financial burden. Would be a shame to wrap up that side but that's business. Bye, bye mens team.Crispywood said:
According to Methven women’s football costs about 1M in the 2nd division and around 5M in the WSLmsomerton said:
I believe the women`s team is costing the owners one million pounds plus per season at the moment.Henry Irving said:
No, seperate companycharltonnick said:Do these financial figures include the women's team ?1 -
This on the Beeb yesterday:
Is the Championship headed for financial catastrophe?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/ce35l43w83lo
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A interesting read, paints a bleak picture.EveshamAddick said:This on the Beeb yesterday:
Is the Championship headed for financial catastrophe?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/ce35l43w83lo0 -
Of course it does presuppose that these owners want to make a profit - but I’m sure someone on here can explain the tax benefits of making it look like a business is losing money.msomerton said:
A interesting read, paints a bleak picture.EveshamAddick said:This on the Beeb yesterday:
Is the Championship headed for financial catastrophe?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/ce35l43w83lo0 -
EveshamAddick said:
Of course it does presuppose that these owners want to make a profit - but I’m sure someone on here can explain the tax benefits of making it look like a business is losing money.msomerton said:
A interesting read, paints a bleak picture.EveshamAddick said:This on the Beeb yesterday:
Is the Championship headed for financial catastrophe?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/ce35l43w83loContrary to what most people think is a tax dodge, companies would rather trade at a profit than trade at a loss!The only 'benefit' is that usually the losses can be offset against future profits for corporation tax purposes.2 -
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Without looking back and researching all the facts and figures…EveshamAddick said:
Of course it does presuppose that these owners want to make a profit - but I’m sure someone on here can explain the tax benefits of making it look like a business is losing money.msomerton said:
A interesting read, paints a bleak picture.EveshamAddick said:This on the Beeb yesterday:
Is the Championship headed for financial catastrophe?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/ce35l43w83lo
basically, when they acquired the club I suspect our average gate was around 10k+. Revenues would have been commensurate but, given all our bitching about service etc at the time, those revenues would have probably definitely been underperforming.
In the process of getting promoted the average gate increased to 15.5k for the season.In the Championship, the average gate increased further this season to around 20+, TV money has increased considerably percentage wise and given how much easier it is to get served I suspect other revenues have increased as well.
so, by looking at those trading losses as investment into the club, the owners are probably looking and feeling pretty smart and, on the back of it all, the asset they’ve invested their money in will have increased in value.
making a profit would be nice but the ultimate aim must be to get into the PL and stay there for at least a year. Then we are talking real money.1 -
Thought it’s worth mentioning that most people were shocked when we reported 15.3M in losses and 15.7M for wages. Birmingham just released their reported 34.3M (224% more) in losses and 38.9M in wages (247% more), just shows how impressive we was we practically matched them from that run at Northampton to the end of the year6
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It shows that we like all clubs over pay the (football) talent, under pay (non football) staff and over charge supporters.Only one of those factors directly gives rise to losses !Until football as a whole chooses to address the obvious then losses will be accepted and can’t be judged alongside other business norms.3
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It’s all about the asset value, which substantially depends on staying in the Championship. The central revenue increase is significant, everything else less so, but you are missing the very substantial increase in costs which will keep operating losses very high.letthegoodtimesroll said:
Without looking back and researching all the facts and figures…EveshamAddick said:
Of course it does presuppose that these owners want to make a profit - but I’m sure someone on here can explain the tax benefits of making it look like a business is losing money.msomerton said:
A interesting read, paints a bleak picture.EveshamAddick said:This on the Beeb yesterday:
Is the Championship headed for financial catastrophe?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/ce35l43w83lo
basically, when they acquired the club I suspect our average gate was around 10k+. Revenues would have been commensurate but, given all our bitching about service etc at the time, those revenues would have probably definitely been underperforming.
In the process of getting promoted the average gate increased to 15.5k for the season.In the Championship, the average gate increased further this season to around 20+, TV money has increased considerably percentage wise and given how much easier it is to get served I suspect other revenues have increased as well.
so, by looking at those trading losses as investment into the club, the owners are probably looking and feeling pretty smart and, on the back of it all, the asset they’ve invested their money in will have increased in value.
making a profit would be nice but the ultimate aim must be to get into the PL and stay there for at least a year. Then we are talking real money.0 -
Increasing costs and high operating losses go hand in hand with the increases in revenues and the progress up the pyramid we will have seen since the new owners took over. At this stage they are not necessarily an issue because the business is already significantly better placed, bigger and growing. We should easily see further growth in numbers next season which, if we strengthen the squad to try and hit one of those play off places, will come naturally. The owners identified an underperforming business with a lot of potential upside and so far it’s probably exceeded expectations at this point. Like tech companies, investors look at the where the upside is for a football club and to an extent don’t tend to worry too much, if at all, about them making a loss if they are increasing their revenues.Airman Brown said:
It’s all about the asset value, which substantially depends on staying in the Championship. The central revenue increase is significant, everything else less so, but you are missing the very substantial increase in costs which will keep operating losses very high.letthegoodtimesroll said:
Without looking back and researching all the facts and figures…EveshamAddick said:
Of course it does presuppose that these owners want to make a profit - but I’m sure someone on here can explain the tax benefits of making it look like a business is losing money.msomerton said:
A interesting read, paints a bleak picture.EveshamAddick said:This on the Beeb yesterday:
Is the Championship headed for financial catastrophe?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/ce35l43w83lo
basically, when they acquired the club I suspect our average gate was around 10k+. Revenues would have been commensurate but, given all our bitching about service etc at the time, those revenues would have probably definitely been underperforming.
In the process of getting promoted the average gate increased to 15.5k for the season.In the Championship, the average gate increased further this season to around 20+, TV money has increased considerably percentage wise and given how much easier it is to get served I suspect other revenues have increased as well.
so, by looking at those trading losses as investment into the club, the owners are probably looking and feeling pretty smart and, on the back of it all, the asset they’ve invested their money in will have increased in value.
making a profit would be nice but the ultimate aim must be to get into the PL and stay there for at least a year. Then we are talking real money.0 -
Not sure you’re right there. Our losses are already at a level that will see us hitting/exceeding the three year rolling allowance. The only thing that’s really moving the needle now we’ve made the step up, apart from somehow doing it again, is bringing in sponsorship on the levels that Wrexham have done. The Disney spoiler alert is that that just isn’t happening.letthegoodtimesroll said:
Increasing costs and high operating losses go hand in hand with the increases in revenues and the progress up the pyramid we will have seen since the new owners took over. At this stage they are not necessarily an issue because the business is already significantly better placed, bigger and growing. We should easily see further growth in numbers next season which, if we strengthen the squad to try and hit one of those play off places, will come naturally. The owners identified an underperforming business with a lot of potential upside and so far it’s probably exceeded expectations at this point. Like tech companies, investors look at the where the upside is for a football club and to an extent don’t tend to worry too much, if at all, about them making a loss if they are increasing their revenues.Airman Brown said:
It’s all about the asset value, which substantially depends on staying in the Championship. The central revenue increase is significant, everything else less so, but you are missing the very substantial increase in costs which will keep operating losses very high.letthegoodtimesroll said:
Without looking back and researching all the facts and figures…EveshamAddick said:
Of course it does presuppose that these owners want to make a profit - but I’m sure someone on here can explain the tax benefits of making it look like a business is losing money.said:
A interesting read, paints a bleak picture.EveshamAddick said:This on the Beeb yesterday:
Is the Championship headed for financial catastrophe?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/ce35l43w83lo
basically, when they acquired the club I suspect our average gate was around 10k+. Revenues would have been commensurate but, given all our bitching about service etc at the time, those revenues would have probably definitely been underperforming.
In the process of getting promoted the average gate increased to 15.5k for the season.In the Championship, the average gate increased further this season to around 20+, TV money has increased considerably percentage wise and given how much easier it is to get served I suspect other revenues have increased as well.
so, by looking at those trading losses as investment into the club, the owners are probably looking and feeling pretty smart and, on the back of it all, the asset they’ve invested their money in will have increased in value.
making a profit would be nice but the ultimate aim must be to get into the PL and stay there for at least a year. Then we are talking real money.3 -
You also have to think of the debit the Club have, which must be approaching £70 million after all these years of losses.TelMc32 said:
Not sure you’re right there. Our losses are already at a level that will see us hitting/exceeding the three year rolling allowance. The only thing that’s really moving the needle now we’ve made the step up, apart from somehow doing it again, is bringing in sponsorship on the levels that Wrexham have done. The Disney spoiler alert is that that just isn’t happening.letthegoodtimesroll said:
Increasing costs and high operating losses go hand in hand with the increases in revenues and the progress up the pyramid we will have seen since the new owners took over. At this stage they are not necessarily an issue because the business is already significantly better placed, bigger and growing. We should easily see further growth in numbers next season which, if we strengthen the squad to try and hit one of those play off places, will come naturally. The owners identified an underperforming business with a lot of potential upside and so far it’s probably exceeded expectations at this point. Like tech companies, investors look at the where the upside is for a football club and to an extent don’t tend to worry too much, if at all, about them making a loss if they are increasing their revenues.Airman Brown said:
It’s all about the asset value, which substantially depends on staying in the Championship. The central revenue increase is significant, everything else less so, but you are missing the very substantial increase in costs which will keep operating losses very high.letthegoodtimesroll said:
Without looking back and researching all the facts and figures…EveshamAddick said:
Of course it does presuppose that these owners want to make a profit - but I’m sure someone on here can explain the tax benefits of making it look like a business is losing money.said:
A interesting read, paints a bleak picture.EveshamAddick said:This on the Beeb yesterday:
Is the Championship headed for financial catastrophe?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/ce35l43w83lo
basically, when they acquired the club I suspect our average gate was around 10k+. Revenues would have been commensurate but, given all our bitching about service etc at the time, those revenues would have probably definitely been underperforming.
In the process of getting promoted the average gate increased to 15.5k for the season.In the Championship, the average gate increased further this season to around 20+, TV money has increased considerably percentage wise and given how much easier it is to get served I suspect other revenues have increased as well.
so, by looking at those trading losses as investment into the club, the owners are probably looking and feeling pretty smart and, on the back of it all, the asset they’ve invested their money in will have increased in value.
making a profit would be nice but the ultimate aim must be to get into the PL and stay there for at least a year. Then we are talking real money.0 -
If you can answer this Bob, given your connections to Stoke's owners, how do they view funding a football club at those types of losses. I appreciate you might not be able to go into specifics/or answer this on here, but I am curious as to the mindset of wealthy owners given the eye watering losses some clubs rack up these days.bobmunro said:EveshamAddick said:
Of course it does presuppose that these owners want to make a profit - but I’m sure someone on here can explain the tax benefits of making it look like a business is losing money.msomerton said:
A interesting read, paints a bleak picture.EveshamAddick said:This on the Beeb yesterday:
Is the Championship headed for financial catastrophe?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/ce35l43w83loContrary to what most people think is a tax dodge, companies would rather trade at a profit than trade at a loss!The only 'benefit' is that usually the losses can be offset against future profits for corporation tax purposes.
I appreciate it will depend upon the wealth of the owners, things like ties to the club etc, but at what point is it too much.
If you can share any insight it would be great to get your take
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Expectations on the pitch are one thing, the club’s financial performance remains poor. Lower matchday revenues in 24/25 than under Sandgaard and poor commercial revenues in line with previous.letthegoodtimesroll said:
Increasing costs and high operating losses go hand in hand with the increases in revenues and the progress up the pyramid we will have seen since the new owners took over. At this stage they are not necessarily an issue because the business is already significantly better placed, bigger and growing. We should easily see further growth in numbers next season which, if we strengthen the squad to try and hit one of those play off places, will come naturally. The owners identified an underperforming business with a lot of potential upside and so far it’s probably exceeded expectations at this point. Like tech companies, investors look at the where the upside is for a football club and to an extent don’t tend to worry too much, if at all, about them making a loss if they are increasing their revenues.Airman Brown said:
It’s all about the asset value, which substantially depends on staying in the Championship. The central revenue increase is significant, everything else less so, but you are missing the very substantial increase in costs which will keep operating losses very high.letthegoodtimesroll said:
Without looking back and researching all the facts and figures…EveshamAddick said:
Of course it does presuppose that these owners want to make a profit - but I’m sure someone on here can explain the tax benefits of making it look like a business is losing money.msomerton said:
A interesting read, paints a bleak picture.EveshamAddick said:This on the Beeb yesterday:
Is the Championship headed for financial catastrophe?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/ce35l43w83lo
basically, when they acquired the club I suspect our average gate was around 10k+. Revenues would have been commensurate but, given all our bitching about service etc at the time, those revenues would have probably definitely been underperforming.
In the process of getting promoted the average gate increased to 15.5k for the season.In the Championship, the average gate increased further this season to around 20+, TV money has increased considerably percentage wise and given how much easier it is to get served I suspect other revenues have increased as well.
so, by looking at those trading losses as investment into the club, the owners are probably looking and feeling pretty smart and, on the back of it all, the asset they’ve invested their money in will have increased in value.
making a profit would be nice but the ultimate aim must be to get into the PL and stay there for at least a year. Then we are talking real money.Of course revenue will have gone up in 25/26, principally because of the central income, but I wouldn’t expect much additional growth in 26/27. They will do well to hold ST sales where they are unless there is very obvious and significant investment in the team.3 -
cabbles said:
If you can answer this Bob, given your connections to Stoke's owners, how do they view funding a football club at those types of losses. I appreciate you might not be able to go into specifics/or answer this on here, but I am curious as to the mindset of wealthy owners given the eye watering losses some clubs rack up these days.bobmunro said:EveshamAddick said:
Of course it does presuppose that these owners want to make a profit - but I’m sure someone on here can explain the tax benefits of making it look like a business is losing money.msomerton said:
A interesting read, paints a bleak picture.EveshamAddick said:This on the Beeb yesterday:
Is the Championship headed for financial catastrophe?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/ce35l43w83loContrary to what most people think is a tax dodge, companies would rather trade at a profit than trade at a loss!The only 'benefit' is that usually the losses can be offset against future profits for corporation tax purposes.
I appreciate it will depend upon the wealth of the owners, things like ties to the club etc, but at what point is it too much.
If you can share any insight it would be great to get your takeHow much is too much is impossible to answer - as you say it depends on the wealth of the owners and whether or not the owners are fans. Stoke City has cost the Coates family upwards of £400 million over the years, and all debts written off so the club is completely debt free. Their commitment will continue for the foreseeable future, I have no doubt. They are rare as owners go, but not unique. Another prime example is Steve Gibson at 'boro - upwards of £250 mill invested and his net worth is estimated at £640 million so on that basis he has lost around 30% of his net worth on the club (but he's not on his uppers!). The Coates' family losses equate to less than 5% of net worth.On that basis I would suggest that the owners being lifelong, passionate fans of a club is the biggest single factor - and then having the money to back it up of course.However well intentioned our owners are, ultimately it is an investment - the Coates and Gibsons of this world do it for the love of the Club.10 -
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Thanks. Comparatively Stoke are in a great position if all that investment has been written off.bobmunro said:cabbles said:
If you can answer this Bob, given your connections to Stoke's owners, how do they view funding a football club at those types of losses. I appreciate you might not be able to go into specifics/or answer this on here, but I am curious as to the mindset of wealthy owners given the eye watering losses some clubs rack up these days.bobmunro said:EveshamAddick said:
Of course it does presuppose that these owners want to make a profit - but I’m sure someone on here can explain the tax benefits of making it look like a business is losing money.msomerton said:
A interesting read, paints a bleak picture.EveshamAddick said:This on the Beeb yesterday:
Is the Championship headed for financial catastrophe?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/ce35l43w83loContrary to what most people think is a tax dodge, companies would rather trade at a profit than trade at a loss!The only 'benefit' is that usually the losses can be offset against future profits for corporation tax purposes.
I appreciate it will depend upon the wealth of the owners, things like ties to the club etc, but at what point is it too much.
If you can share any insight it would be great to get your takeHow much is too much is impossible to answer - as you say it depends on the wealth of the owners and whether or not the owners are fans. Stoke City has cost the Coates family upwards of £400 million over the years, and all debts written off so the club is completely debt free. Their commitment will continue for the foreseeable future, I have no doubt. They are rare as owners go, but not unique. Another prime example is Steve Gibson at 'boro - upwards of £250 mill invested and his net worth is estimated at £640 million so on that basis he has lost around 30% of his net worth on the club (but he's not on his uppers!). The Coates' family losses equate to less than 5% of net worth.On that basis I would suggest that the owners being lifelong, passionate fans of a club is the biggest single factor - and then having the money to back it up of course.On a separate note, the whole losses incurred does seem to be a bit of a trap and vicious circle. I completely understand the rationale behind it, but it now seems as though you have the majority of teams running at excessive losses, unable to spend more to buy the quality they need to get promoted/give them the best chance of getting into the Prem to make more money, yet still spending more than they should, threatening their long term sustainability.
Aside from one or two examples, the whole system seems to be ridiculous when you look at the above figures in that chart and the rules in place to protect clubs
for want of a better analogy, you can take class A drugs, as long as it’s not too much1 -
I bet there are plenty of Stoke and Boro fans clamouring for a change of ownership as well. They don't know how good they've got it.3
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Purely unsubstantiated guessing on my part of course but I suspect we will sell 2k to 3k more season tickets this time around. There will be a lot of fans that have come along this season that don’t have a ST but haven’t missed many matches, if any, with the Covered End in particular being pretty full every match. I bet there have been quite a few of those that have preferred block/seat and haven’t been able to secure it for every match. Those fans can do something about that this time around and buy a ST or chance missing out on a preferred block/seat a lot more times next season.Airman Brown said:
Expectations on the pitch are one thing, the club’s financial performance remains poor. Lower matchday revenues in 24/25 than under Sandgaard and poor commercial revenues in line with previous.letthegoodtimesroll said:
Increasing costs and high operating losses go hand in hand with the increases in revenues and the progress up the pyramid we will have seen since the new owners took over. At this stage they are not necessarily an issue because the business is already significantly better placed, bigger and growing. We should easily see further growth in numbers next season which, if we strengthen the squad to try and hit one of those play off places, will come naturally. The owners identified an underperforming business with a lot of potential upside and so far it’s probably exceeded expectations at this point. Like tech companies, investors look at the where the upside is for a football club and to an extent don’t tend to worry too much, if at all, about them making a loss if they are increasing their revenues.Airman Brown said:
It’s all about the asset value, which substantially depends on staying in the Championship. The central revenue increase is significant, everything else less so, but you are missing the very substantial increase in costs which will keep operating losses very high.letthegoodtimesroll said:
Without looking back and researching all the facts and figures…EveshamAddick said:
Of course it does presuppose that these owners want to make a profit - but I’m sure someone on here can explain the tax benefits of making it look like a business is losing money.msomerton said:
A interesting read, paints a bleak picture.EveshamAddick said:This on the Beeb yesterday:
Is the Championship headed for financial catastrophe?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/ce35l43w83lo
basically, when they acquired the club I suspect our average gate was around 10k+. Revenues would have been commensurate but, given all our bitching about service etc at the time, those revenues would have probably definitely been underperforming.
In the process of getting promoted the average gate increased to 15.5k for the season.In the Championship, the average gate increased further this season to around 20+, TV money has increased considerably percentage wise and given how much easier it is to get served I suspect other revenues have increased as well.
so, by looking at those trading losses as investment into the club, the owners are probably looking and feeling pretty smart and, on the back of it all, the asset they’ve invested their money in will have increased in value.
making a profit would be nice but the ultimate aim must be to get into the PL and stay there for at least a year. Then we are talking real money.Of course revenue will have gone up in 25/26, principally because of the central income, but I wouldn’t expect much additional growth in 26/27. They will do well to hold ST sales where they are unless there is very obvious and significant investment in the team.
we’ve seen average gates go up from 13.4k to 15.3k to 20k+. That last one is a tipping point for attracting other fans and the whole matchday experience is on a significantly different level. Some squad strengthening and a reasonable start will see those numbers steadily increase. We should also see the first totally sold out signs in donkeys years go up when we host Spurs or West Ham which will give the average league attendance a further boost but 22k-23k average should be achievable next season
of course, the next target comes if we start having a very good season. Palace have averaged 24.8k for their PL games this season…😉1 -
I like your optimism.letthegoodtimesroll said:
Purely unsubstantiated guessing on my part of course but I suspect we will sell 2k to 3k more season tickets this time around. There will be a lot of fans that have come along this season that don’t have a ST but haven’t missed many matches, if any, with the Covered End in particular being pretty full every match. I bet there have been quite a few of those that have preferred block/seat and haven’t been able to secure it for every match. Those fans can do something about that this time around and buy a ST or chance missing out on a preferred block/seat a lot more times next season.Airman Brown said:
Expectations on the pitch are one thing, the club’s financial performance remains poor. Lower matchday revenues in 24/25 than under Sandgaard and poor commercial revenues in line with previous.letthegoodtimesroll said:
Increasing costs and high operating losses go hand in hand with the increases in revenues and the progress up the pyramid we will have seen since the new owners took over. At this stage they are not necessarily an issue because the business is already significantly better placed, bigger and growing. We should easily see further growth in numbers next season which, if we strengthen the squad to try and hit one of those play off places, will come naturally. The owners identified an underperforming business with a lot of potential upside and so far it’s probably exceeded expectations at this point. Like tech companies, investors look at the where the upside is for a football club and to an extent don’t tend to worry too much, if at all, about them making a loss if they are increasing their revenues.Airman Brown said:
It’s all about the asset value, which substantially depends on staying in the Championship. The central revenue increase is significant, everything else less so, but you are missing the very substantial increase in costs which will keep operating losses very high.letthegoodtimesroll said:
Without looking back and researching all the facts and figures…EveshamAddick said:
Of course it does presuppose that these owners want to make a profit - but I’m sure someone on here can explain the tax benefits of making it look like a business is losing money.msomerton said:
A interesting read, paints a bleak picture.EveshamAddick said:This on the Beeb yesterday:
Is the Championship headed for financial catastrophe?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/ce35l43w83lo
basically, when they acquired the club I suspect our average gate was around 10k+. Revenues would have been commensurate but, given all our bitching about service etc at the time, those revenues would have probably definitely been underperforming.
In the process of getting promoted the average gate increased to 15.5k for the season.In the Championship, the average gate increased further this season to around 20+, TV money has increased considerably percentage wise and given how much easier it is to get served I suspect other revenues have increased as well.
so, by looking at those trading losses as investment into the club, the owners are probably looking and feeling pretty smart and, on the back of it all, the asset they’ve invested their money in will have increased in value.
making a profit would be nice but the ultimate aim must be to get into the PL and stay there for at least a year. Then we are talking real money.Of course revenue will have gone up in 25/26, principally because of the central income, but I wouldn’t expect much additional growth in 26/27. They will do well to hold ST sales where they are unless there is very obvious and significant investment in the team.
we’ve seen average gates go up from 13.4k to 15.3k to 20k+. That last one is a tipping point for attracting other fans and the whole matchday experience is on a significantly different level. Some squad strengthening and a reasonable start will see those numbers steadily increase. We should also see the first totally sold out signs in donkeys years go up when we host Spurs or West Ham which will give the average league attendance a further boost but 22k-23k average should be achievable next season
of course, the next target comes if we start having a very good season. Palace have averaged 24.8k for their PL games this season…😉I think however numbers will fall slightly. No post Wembley buzz and flirting with relegation coupled with the less than compelling financial saving in commiting up front to all matches.The average numbers you reference of course reflect bigger away followings visiting The Valley. It’s still easy to go match by match.Should we sign some ‘names’ it might change though.3 -
We’re not selling 15k season tickets next season, when we’ve sold around the 10k mark or fewer every Championship season since 2012. I am pleasantly surprised we seem to have got to 12k this year, but 25% growth year on year at the same level is inconceivable.As far as attendance growth is concerned, I refer you to the club’s own matchday revenue figures. These can be distorted by one-off cup and play-off games, but generally are a much better guide than announced attendances. Matchday revenue went up in 24/25 from 23/24 but down from Sandgaard’s two seasons.0
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There was a post-Covid lockdown boost to attendances at football and live sport generally which would probably account for the Sandgaard seasons. That and the shit football heading for relegation before Nathan took over would account for the drop in 23/24.Airman Brown said:We’re not selling 15k season tickets next season, when we’ve sold around the 10k mark or fewer every Championship season since 2012. I am pleasantly surprised we seem to have got to 12k this year, but 25% growth year on year at the same level is inconceivable.As far as attendance growth is concerned, I refer you to the club’s own matchday revenue figures. These can be distorted by one-off cup and play-off games, but generally are a much better guide than announced attendances. Matchday revenue went up in 24/25 from 23/24 but down from Sandgaard’s two seasons.
The opportunity to piggy back ST sales from the trip to Wembley was wasted imo when they announced prices, particularly when the new TV was coming in and most of our games were going to be live on tv anyway.
They’ve been a bit more sensible with STs this time, we’ve been getting good crowds even for live games, it looks like we will stay up despite having a bad run due to injuries and things are looking a bit more positive all round. I think we will get a delayed boost to ST sales that we missed out on last time.0 -
Spurs or West Ham coming down will boost sales 😉
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Could be the priciest general match and hospitality tickets we’ve ever issued.WSS said:Spurs or West Ham coming down will boost sales 😉0 -
Could?🤔😉letthegoodtimesroll said:
Could be the priciest general match and hospitality tickets we’ve ever issued.WSS said:Spurs or West Ham coming down will boost sales 😉
I don’t see any doubt. ☹️
Platinum’ category games introduced if if happens.0
