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POST-MATCH THREAD: Charlton Athletic v Preston Nth End: Saturday 11th April 2026: KO 15:00

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  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,670
    If we were to lose I imagine our bottle will totally go and things would go down to the Swansea game.

    We'll beat Wednesday I'm confident of that.
    I’m not. I don’t expect we’ll lose, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a draw.

    I’d very much appreciate it if we can just go there, be professional, win comfortably and not turn it into something it doesn’t need to be (namely a nightmare). 
  • se9addick said:
    If we were to lose I imagine our bottle will totally go and things would go down to the Swansea game.

    We'll beat Wednesday I'm confident of that.
    I’m not. I don’t expect we’ll lose, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a draw.

    I’d very much appreciate it if we can just go there, be professional, win comfortably and not turn it into something it doesn’t need to be (namely a nightmare). 
    Agreed, the past few performances have giving no indication that we should be confident going into this one. Said it for ages relying on teams being worse than us is not a viable strategy. 
  • letthegoodtimesroll
    letthegoodtimesroll Posts: 11,241
    edited April 13
    MrBurns said:
    Sheffield Wednesday are looking to sell out our game and they smell blood now. We need Coady back for his leadership and game management. I would go with Dykes and Kelman upfront with Knibbs behind

    This is now our most important match since the Wembley play off final and the Sheffield Wednesday players and fans are under no pressure just like the Preston players and fans yesterday.

    Start with Dykes and Kelman or the other way round with Godden and Leaburn but Nathan must make sure over the 100 odd minutes of this match that either Kelman and Godden are on the field.

    Maybe I see the game different to others but I always want one penalty area striker who is good on the ground to latch on to the ball from either a pass, deflection or just from the general chaos of balls pinging around in the box.

    With Carey currently out of form or his lucks run out, Knibbs behind either Dykes/Kelman or Leaburn/Godden for at least an hour may be worth a go.

    Then depending on the state of the match give Carey a chance from the bench for redemption in the attacking midfielder role to see if he can replicate his goal scoring prowess which has deserted him of late.
    Carey isn’t out of form, it’s our gameplan that hinders attacking and without doing that there are no gaps for Carey to exploit either by shooting at goal himself or playing the ball to somebody in or with space.

    we are all about sitting back and everyone defending those 30+ shots by the opposition. Anything else outside that single objective is generally uncoordinated and insufficiently backed up and covered.
  • Cidereds
    Cidereds Posts: 3
    Good morning Charlton fans.
    I run a football channel previewing football clubs here in the uk and abroad hopefully giving your club more positive exposure and showing what first time fans can expect regarding atmosphere etc.
    I just want to say a massive thanks to all the Charlton fans who made feel so welcome especially in Covered Lower Tier and the fans bar telling me about the history of the club.
    A special mention to the volunteers at the museum who gave me a guided tour they were first class.
    Im struggling to post the link but if you go over to YouTube and search livingmyfootballdream you will see my preview of your club.
    Again many thanks for being so welcoming and good luck with the rest of your season cheers Jay
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 17,653
    Cidereds said:
    Good morning Charlton fans.
    I run a football channel previewing football clubs here in the uk and abroad hopefully giving your club more positive exposure and showing what first time fans can expect regarding atmosphere etc.
    I just want to say a massive thanks to all the Charlton fans who made feel so welcome especially in Covered Lower Tier and the fans bar telling me about the history of the club.
    A special mention to the volunteers at the museum who gave me a guided tour they were first class.
    Im struggling to post the link but if you go over to YouTube and search livingmyfootballdream you will see my preview of your club.
    Again many thanks for being so welcoming and good luck with the rest of your season cheers Jay
    https://youtu.be/PBvEOe7kMPA?si=-muVHnccQLiZ1__D
  • Cidereds
    Cidereds Posts: 3
    Thanks for posting the video 
  • sm
    sm Posts: 2,996
    Yet another weak game from Carey - two assists all season for an attacking midfield player is incredibly poor. Defences have worked out that he will always try a long shot rather than perhaps a better ball which may give someone else a better chance. Strikes me that Fullah would do far better being given Carey's position rather than the variety of positions being allocated to him by Jones despite his obvious inexperience.
  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 11,382
    sm said:
    Yet another weak game from Carey - two assists all season for an attacking midfield player is incredibly poor. Defences have worked out that he will always try a long shot rather than perhaps a better ball which may give someone else a better chance. Strikes me that Fullah would do far better being given Carey's position rather than the variety of positions being allocated to him by Jones despite his obvious inexperience.
    I'm not sure that now is the right time to be putting Fullah into that role, it's not a question of his ability but his age and temperament - putting the pressure on a young lad to take over as the main (only?) Goal scoring threat, especially when we are not definitely safe yet, could bring the best out of him but could also set him back.
    I can see Fullah doing well in the role in due course but I wouldn't risk it just now unless we have to
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,722
    MrBurns said:
    Sheffield Wednesday are looking to sell out our game and they smell blood now. We need Coady back for his leadership and game management. I would go with Dykes and Kelman upfront with Knibbs behind

    This is now our most important match since the Wembley play off final and the Sheffield Wednesday players and fans are under no pressure just like the Preston players and fans yesterday.

    Start with Dykes and Kelman or the other way round with Godden and Leaburn but Nathan must make sure over the 100 odd minutes of this match that either Kelman and Godden are on the field.

    Maybe I see the game different to others but I always want one penalty area striker who is good on the ground to latch on to the ball from either a pass, deflection or just from the general chaos of balls pinging around in the box.

    With Carey currently out of form or his lucks run out, Knibbs behind either Dykes/Kelman or Leaburn/Godden for at least an hour may be worth a go.

    Then depending on the state of the match give Carey a chance from the bench for redemption in the attacking midfielder role to see if he can replicate his goal scoring prowess which has deserted him of late.
    Carey isn’t out of form, it’s our gameplan that hinders attacking and without doing that there are no gaps for Carey to exploit either by shooting at goal himself or playing the ball to somebody in or with space.

    we are all about sitting back and everyone defending those 30+ shots by the opposition. Anything else outside that single objective is generally uncoordinated and insufficiently backed up and covered.

    I'm one of Sonny's biggest fans and I agree up to a point with you but when he was getting shots on goals, scoring and making runs forward we were still playing the same tactics as we have over the last month when Carey has looked jaded and caught in possession more than earlier in the season.
    Football is always more tiring when the other team have the ball and you are chasing so this is definitely mitigation for him.

    He is still well in credit and as I have said on a few occasions IF we are a Championship team in 26/27 his goals have been priceless.

  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 14,186
    edited April 13
    sm said:
    Yet another weak game from Carey - two assists all season for an attacking midfield player is incredibly poor. Defences have worked out that he will always try a long shot rather than perhaps a better ball which may give someone else a better chance. Strikes me that Fullah would do far better being given Carey's position rather than the variety of positions being allocated to him by Jones despite his obvious inexperience.
    He's only down as having one assist officially, which was the corner for Jones' goal in the 5-1 against Southampton, so no assists from open play. Comparatively Luke Berry last season playing in the same role got 7 goals and 5 assists (all from open play, though one was a wayward shot that was poked in by Godden) and Gilbert got 4 (3 of them corners), so we do expect that role to lay goals on for people, it's not just a purely goalscoring role in this setup. The reality is that no-one has enough assists in this team, James Bree is still our joint top assister and he hasn't assisted since October or played for us since January but regardless Carey is the one who's record looks the starkest in the stats. Lloyd Jones has more assists than Carey by way of being fouled for two penalties depending on what stat provider you use. 
    It is a real problem we've had with Carey this season, we are a team that generates absolutely nothing on the counter because he's the player we expect to be driving it up the pitch when it's on and he so regularly wastes it either choosing to try and beat a man unnecessarily or trying to go for goal himself from distance. We wouldn't have scored the goal Preston did for their second because Carey would have ignored the pass that was on and drilled the ball into the defender's ankles instead. The slight problem we have is that Knibbs is also pretty much purely a goalscorer so we need to have a think in the summer about if we're getting enough out of that role or if we need a more creative player like we had with Gilbert in that role to do things differently at times in the season. I think it's too early for Fullah.

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  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,475
    JohnnyH2 said:
    JamesSeed said:
    I said last week: ‘Start the game with a mad, chaotic set up - surprise the opposition - get them on the back foot. Do something different ffs, because what we're doing isn't working.‘
    Well it didn’t have to be ‘mad’ exactly, but instead of starting with a front footed lineup, we start a home match - against a team not exactly full of confidence, with one striker. 
    Is it five losses from six home matches? If so, that’s unforgivable really. 
    We did have them on the back foot for the first 10 minutes
    So it only took them 10 minutes to suss us out :-(
  • eastterrace6168
    eastterrace6168 Posts: 25,809
    JamesSeed said:
    JohnnyH2 said:
    JamesSeed said:
    I said last week: ‘Start the game with a mad, chaotic set up - surprise the opposition - get them on the back foot. Do something different ffs, because what we're doing isn't working.‘
    Well it didn’t have to be ‘mad’ exactly, but instead of starting with a front footed lineup, we start a home match - against a team not exactly full of confidence, with one striker. 
    Is it five losses from six home matches? If so, that’s unforgivable really. 
    We did have them on the back foot for the first 10 minutes
    So it only took them 10 minutes to suss us out :-(
    By which time we should have been out of sight on chances missed...🤦‍♂️
  • wolfgang
    wolfgang Posts: 700
    se9addick said:
    I have got fingers and everything else crossed in the hope Coady can play next week.

    I suspect his professionalism and general know how is going to be absolutely vital to us getting a result at Sheff Wednesday. 
    From what I can find online Coady wouldn't be able to play for at least 14 days due to the concussion protocol, some suggestions say 21.
    That’s really bad news. I thought it was just 7 days for some reason. 
    Under 'Enhanced Care' the earliest is 12 days but that's a 'minimum' guideline, which would take it to the day of the Sheffield game. It is possible for it to be 7 days under 'exceptional circumstances' but I think it very unlikely either Coady or the club would want to risk it anyway.........?
    FFS it's only a football to the moosh, a few years back all the players would be sinking pints in the pub after the game taking the piss out of Coady with his two black eyes & he'd be back on the pitch on monday.
    I recently read that 3% of English genetic material is derived from Neanderthals. Here is further proof.
  • charltonbob
    charltonbob Posts: 8,592
    fenaddick said:
    se9addick said:
    I have got fingers and everything else crossed in the hope Coady can play next week.

    I suspect his professionalism and general know how is going to be absolutely vital to us getting a result at Sheff Wednesday. 
    From what I can find online Coady wouldn't be able to play for at least 14 days due to the concussion protocol, some suggestions say 21.
    That’s really bad news. I thought it was just 7 days for some reason. 
    Under 'Enhanced Care' the earliest is 12 days but that's a 'minimum' guideline, which would take it to the day of the Sheffield game. It is possible for it to be 7 days under 'exceptional circumstances' but I think it very unlikely either Coady or the club would want to risk it anyway.........?
    FFS it's only a football to the moosh, a few years back all the players would be sinking pints in the pub after the game taking the piss out of Coady with his two black eyes & he'd be back on the pitch on monday.
    Suggest you have a look at the links between concussion and developing Alzheimer’s 
    Suggest you develop a sense of humour. 
  • charltonbob
    charltonbob Posts: 8,592
    se9addick said:
    I have got fingers and everything else crossed in the hope Coady can play next week.

    I suspect his professionalism and general know how is going to be absolutely vital to us getting a result at Sheff Wednesday. 
    From what I can find online Coady wouldn't be able to play for at least 14 days due to the concussion protocol, some suggestions say 21.
    That’s really bad news. I thought it was just 7 days for some reason. 
    Under 'Enhanced Care' the earliest is 12 days but that's a 'minimum' guideline, which would take it to the day of the Sheffield game. It is possible for it to be 7 days under 'exceptional circumstances' but I think it very unlikely either Coady or the club would want to risk it anyway.........?
    FFS it's only a football to the moosh, a few years back all the players would be sinking pints in the pub after the game taking the piss out of Coady with his two black eyes & he'd be back on the pitch on monday.
    Yeah the old days when players would live to the good old days of 55. Streuth. Wish we were as hard as you were guys were.
    So what is it dear, you wish you were as hard as me or just guys in general.
  • charltonbob
    charltonbob Posts: 8,592
    edited April 13
    wolfgang said:
    se9addick said:
    I have got fingers and everything else crossed in the hope Coady can play next week.

    I suspect his professionalism and general know how is going to be absolutely vital to us getting a result at Sheff Wednesday. 
    From what I can find online Coady wouldn't be able to play for at least 14 days due to the concussion protocol, some suggestions say 21.
    That’s really bad news. I thought it was just 7 days for some reason. 
    Under 'Enhanced Care' the earliest is 12 days but that's a 'minimum' guideline, which would take it to the day of the Sheffield game. It is possible for it to be 7 days under 'exceptional circumstances' but I think it very unlikely either Coady or the club would want to risk it anyway.........?
    FFS it's only a football to the moosh, a few years back all the players would be sinking pints in the pub after the game taking the piss out of Coady with his two black eyes & he'd be back on the pitch on monday.
    I recently read that 3% of English genetic material is derived from Neanderthals. Here is further proof.
    Proof ? :D:D:D Here's hoping I never have to rely on your evidence in court.
  • eastterrace6168
    eastterrace6168 Posts: 25,809
    edited April 13
    "Football, bloody hell...it's a funny old game"...
  • Radostanradical
    Radostanradical Posts: 1,199
    edited April 14
    se9addick said:
    I have got fingers and everything else crossed in the hope Coady can play next week.

    I suspect his professionalism and general know how is going to be absolutely vital to us getting a result at Sheff Wednesday. 
    From what I can find online Coady wouldn't be able to play for at least 14 days due to the concussion protocol, some suggestions say 21.
    That’s really bad news. I thought it was just 7 days for some reason. 
    Under 'Enhanced Care' the earliest is 12 days but that's a 'minimum' guideline, which would take it to the day of the Sheffield game. It is possible for it to be 7 days under 'exceptional circumstances' but I think it very unlikely either Coady or the club would want to risk it anyway.........?
    FFS it's only a football to the moosh, a few years back all the players would be sinking pints in the pub after the game taking the piss out of Coady with his two black eyes & he'd be back on the pitch on monday.
    Yeah the old days when players would live to the good old days of 55. Streuth. Wish we were as hard as you were guys were.
    So what is it dear, you wish you were as hard as me or just guys in general.
    What an odd thing to say
  • Billy_Mix
    Billy_Mix Posts: 2,825
    I don't think much blame should be apportioned to the players' failure to convert more of the chances on Saturday.  Preston's goalie definitely earned his corn.  JRC and Godden reacted instinctively and were unlucky to hit woodwork or goalie and PNE's defenders made key last-ditch interventions.
    More important was the truly pitiful standard of deadball delivery from the ever more disappointing Carey, so so telling that his long throw was so much more dangerous than his piss poor corners and freekicks.
    Defensively we were shabby throughout.  The absence of a Coady or Coventry sitting in front of the back 3 was crucial.  Keeping Lloyd Jones on when he was so obviously impaired (groin?) was bizarre.  This may yet bring double jeopardy if his availability is reduced for the remaining games.
    Yet again we were terribly soft through the middle, PNE really ain't much good but they moved from back to front with the ball without any resistance from those in red.
    I get why Ibby Fullah is brought on when we're chasing the game but to have him central with defensive responsibility is unfair and unwise - to then shove him at LWB was crass.  The substitutions were ruinous and NJ hasn't put his hands up for that.
    A grim, pragmatic, win at all costs is required on Saturday at Sheffield cos this squad doesn't look capable of securing any points at all against any of the other remaining opponents :(
  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 5,381
    Billy_Mix said:
    I don't think much blame should be apportioned to the players' failure to convert more of the chances on Saturday.  Preston's goalie definitely earned his corn.  JRC and Godden reacted instinctively and were unlucky to hit woodwork or goalie and PNE's defenders made key last-ditch interventions.
    More important was the truly pitiful standard of deadball delivery from the ever more disappointing Carey, so so telling that his long throw was so much more dangerous than his piss poor corners and freekicks.
    Defensively we were shabby throughout.  The absence of a Coady or Coventry sitting in front of the back 3 was crucial.  Keeping Lloyd Jones on when he was so obviously impaired (groin?) was bizarre.  This may yet bring double jeopardy if his availability is reduced for the remaining games.
    Yet again we were terribly soft through the middle, PNE really ain't much good but they moved from back to front with the ball without any resistance from those in red.
    I get why Ibby Fullah is brought on when we're chasing the game but to have him central with defensive responsibility is unfair and unwise - to then shove him at LWB was crass.  The substitutions were ruinous and NJ hasn't put his hands up for that.
    A grim, pragmatic, win at all costs is required on Saturday at Sheffield cos this squad doesn't look capable of securing any points at all against any of the other remaining opponents :(
    Easy to say that in hindsight but most fans (including myself) were calling to see it and there would have been plenty outraged had Berry come on there instead 

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  • charltonbob
    charltonbob Posts: 8,592
    se9addick said:
    I have got fingers and everything else crossed in the hope Coady can play next week.

    I suspect his professionalism and general know how is going to be absolutely vital to us getting a result at Sheff Wednesday. 
    From what I can find online Coady wouldn't be able to play for at least 14 days due to the concussion protocol, some suggestions say 21.
    That’s really bad news. I thought it was just 7 days for some reason. 
    Under 'Enhanced Care' the earliest is 12 days but that's a 'minimum' guideline, which would take it to the day of the Sheffield game. It is possible for it to be 7 days under 'exceptional circumstances' but I think it very unlikely either Coady or the club would want to risk it anyway.........?
    FFS it's only a football to the moosh, a few years back all the players would be sinking pints in the pub after the game taking the piss out of Coady with his two black eyes & he'd be back on the pitch on monday.
    Yeah the old days when players would live to the good old days of 55. Streuth. Wish we were as hard as you guys were.
    So what is it dear, you wish you were as hard as me or just guys in general.
    What an odd thing to say
    Ha Ha Ha What an odd thing to do, you've amended your original comment (above) that I responded to from "Wish we were as hard as you were guys were" to Wish we were as hard as you guys were. Laughably you didn't change your original comment. Quick if you hurry maybe nobody else will notice that you've been back to change it  :D:D:D
  • Pelling1993
    Pelling1993 Posts: 7,354
    I feel a bit sick thinking about the Sheffield Wednesday game. Please don't cock it up boys...
  • Radostanradical
    Radostanradical Posts: 1,199
    se9addick said:
    I have got fingers and everything else crossed in the hope Coady can play next week.

    I suspect his professionalism and general know how is going to be absolutely vital to us getting a result at Sheff Wednesday. 
    From what I can find online Coady wouldn't be able to play for at least 14 days due to the concussion protocol, some suggestions say 21.
    That’s really bad news. I thought it was just 7 days for some reason. 
    Under 'Enhanced Care' the earliest is 12 days but that's a 'minimum' guideline, which would take it to the day of the Sheffield game. It is possible for it to be 7 days under 'exceptional circumstances' but I think it very unlikely either Coady or the club would want to risk it anyway.........?
    FFS it's only a football to the moosh, a few years back all the players would be sinking pints in the pub after the game taking the piss out of Coady with his two black eyes & he'd be back on the pitch on monday.
    Yeah the old days when players would live to the good old days of 55. Streuth. Wish we were as hard as you guys were.
    So what is it dear, you wish you were as hard as me or just guys in general.
    What an odd thing to say
    Ha Ha Ha What an odd thing to do, you've amended your original comment (above) that I responded to from "Wish we were as hard as you were guys were" to Wish we were as hard as you guys were. Laughably you didn't change your original comment. Quick if you hurry maybe nobody else will notice that you've been back to change it  :D:D:D
    This is very bizarre I didnt change anything? Are you ok Bob? Sincerely?
  • charltonbob
    charltonbob Posts: 8,592
    se9addick said:
    I have got fingers and everything else crossed in the hope Coady can play next week.

    I suspect his professionalism and general know how is going to be absolutely vital to us getting a result at Sheff Wednesday. 
    From what I can find online Coady wouldn't be able to play for at least 14 days due to the concussion protocol, some suggestions say 21.
    That’s really bad news. I thought it was just 7 days for some reason. 
    Under 'Enhanced Care' the earliest is 12 days but that's a 'minimum' guideline, which would take it to the day of the Sheffield game. It is possible for it to be 7 days under 'exceptional circumstances' but I think it very unlikely either Coady or the club would want to risk it anyway.........?
    FFS it's only a football to the moosh, a few years back all the players would be sinking pints in the pub after the game taking the piss out of Coady with his two black eyes & he'd be back on the pitch on monday.
    Yeah the old days when players would live to the good old days of 55. Streuth. Wish we were as hard as you guys were.
    So what is it dear, you wish you were as hard as me or just guys in general.
    What an odd thing to say
    Ha Ha Ha What an odd thing to do, you've amended your original comment (above) that I responded to from "Wish we were as hard as you were guys were" to Wish we were as hard as you guys were. Laughably you didn't change your original comment. Quick if you hurry maybe nobody else will notice that you've been back to change it  :D:D:D
    This is very bizarre I didnt change anything? Are you ok Bob? Sincerely?
      Oh but you did & you know you did  :D  Anyway I'm very well thank you for asking.
  • thickandthin63
    thickandthin63 Posts: 3,070
    last_line said:
    Some idiots have scored TC above 5 on the marks post. Unbelievable!!
    I dont do the markings but if I did I would certainly have marked him above 5.Unbelievable?,he is the only outlet we have that can hold on to the ball and maybe get a cross or pull back in.Did you not notice how many times in that 1st half he done the full  back,and crossed the ball to a vacant penalty area.Some people are saying he cost us the 2nd goal.He was involved in a move in their area,the ball was lost,and before you could blink they scored,almost identical to the Watford goal.So if a forward loses the ball in the opposing penalty area,attempting to create a goal,is he then responsible for the fact that the ball moved unchallenged for 80  yards.resulting in a goal against.If Harry Kane,Lionel Messi and co lose the ball,do we suddenly see them charging back to the left back position to recover it.I suggest you and your like are the idiots.I am just off to Peppa Pig world with the grand daughter,hopefully might have a conversation with someone who knows a bit more about football than you do.
    Surely if the penalty area is "vacant" why is he crossing the ball ? Obviously our 1 striker or midfield should be busting a gut to get up & support him but so often even with support his crosses go to no one, he just doesn't appear to look up or his passes are inaccurate.
    its a difficult question to answer,we know TC can get to the line,it is then his job to cross it,but if he looks up and as is quite usual,there is no target,he may well hold on to the ball and lose it,then all hell breaks lose,and he is called all the names under the sun.We need the two strikers in the goal area and two or more midfielders in various positions around the penalty area.but they are rarely there.If Coventry and Doc play,they rarely get anywhere near the goal,cant remember Careys last shot.It may be time to alter tactics,Costello and Knibbs if fit with Doc Coventry or Cody in the defensive role,the present line up just is not working.
  • Elthamaddick
    Elthamaddick Posts: 16,297
    In Sheffield Weds’ great 0-0 draw against Coventry at the weekend they managed 0 shots on target. In 12 out of 19 games since 1 January they’ve scored 0 goals. The other 7 games they scored 1. They haven’t won a league game since 20 September 2025 and that was away at Pompey. That means no home wins at all this season, the last one being 21 April 2025, which is almost a year ago. By all accounts, we should be confident of getting at least a point this Saturday.
    bookmark this for 5pm Saturday.....as I've said previously, nailed on
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,670
    Bookies have us as the most likely team to win in the Championship on Saturday. Must be the shortest we’ve ever been for an away league match? 


  • ct_addick
    ct_addick Posts: 4,612
    Would drop Carey Saturday and play Cov and Doc with JRC as the #10 
  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 5,381
    ct_addick said:
    Would drop Carey Saturday and play Cov and Doc with JRC as the #10 
    Carey is still our most likely goalscorer, he needs to play. Turning up with that 3 starting against the worst team in the league is even more defensive than we usually are 
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,670
    NabySarr said:
    ct_addick said:
    Would drop Carey Saturday and play Cov and Doc with JRC as the #10 
    Carey is still our most likely goalscorer, he needs to play. Turning up with that 3 starting against the worst team in the league is even more defensive than we usually are 
    Agreed. Carey has been off form for a while now but, regrettably, I think we need to have him in the team because he’s the most likely goal scorer from midfield. 

    Think I’d go Doc, JRC & Carey.