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POST-MATCH THREAD: Charlton Athletic v Ipswich Town: Wednesday 22nd April 2026: KO 19:45

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  • Elthamaddick
    Elthamaddick Posts: 16,319
    Looking towards our two remaining matches with Hull and Swansea, we need to go into them looking to win, and if we go with the intensity of yesterday then we should be fine, no use going for a draw because we will lose like that, just sitting back and soaking up pressure you can only do for so long before you crack, give a high caliber performance Saturday and there's no reason why we shouldn't be clear come 2.30, and we can all relax for the Swansea game...
    if we'd gone into the Sheff Wed game with the pressing and intensity we showed in the first 30 mins last night we'd be out of sight
  • Brown59
    Brown59 Posts: 293
    Looking towards our two remaining matches with Hull and Swansea, we need to go into them looking to win, and if we go with the intensity of yesterday then we should be fine, no use going for a draw because we will lose like that, just sitting back and soaking up pressure you can only do for so long before you crack, give a high caliber performance Saturday and there's no reason why we shouldn't be clear come 2.30, and we can all relax for the Swansea game...
    if we'd gone into the Sheff Wed game with the pressing and intensity we showed in the first 30 mins last night we'd be out of sight
    Totally correct. We missed a golden chance to get out of this at Wednesday but were too negative. It may well end up costing our place in the championship. We will never recover if we go down. 
  • Simonsen
    Simonsen Posts: 5,646
    Home fans were missing because some might not have been confident in the tube being back up and running after the strike and because for the most part, the home games have been shit to watch. 

    But there were quite a few foreign visitors in the East Stand....Americans, Dutch, Italians and Germans all in attendance and no doubt others too.
  • king addick
    king addick Posts: 3,988
    Hull haven't won in 5 so hopefully we can squeak a draw!

    I don't think TC has had a great season like some others but playing to his strengths (getting him to run in behind!) caused them all sorts of issues.

    Dykes has made an overall contribution but I wouldnt be starting him against Hull. I'd go with Kelman again for sure and TC if fit but only if we intend to play like the first half hour of last night. I'd start Leaburn ahead of Dykes tbf.
  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 5,472
    Sorry if it's been asked and answered but why didn't Lloyd Jones need to leave the field after receiving treatment for his head injury in the first half?
    Yes that confused me too. Is it because it was given as a foul? I thought it had to be a yellow card foul for the player to be allowed to stay on after receiving treatment 
  • WSS
    WSS Posts: 25,362
    You're assuming the ref had a clue last night.
  • soapy_jones
    soapy_jones Posts: 21,646
    edited April 23
    Hull haven't won in 5 so hopefully we can squeak a draw!

    I don't think TC has had a great season like some others but playing to his strengths (getting him to run in behind!) caused them all sorts of issues.

    Dykes has made an overall contribution but I wouldnt be starting him against Hull. I'd go with Kelman again for sure and TC if fit but only if we intend to play like the first half hour of last night. I'd start Leaburn ahead of Dykes tbf.
    I am sorry, but the following opening in any post to do with Charlton...

    "Blank" haven't won in "blank" so Charlton should "blankety blank", will fill any Addick of any length of standing with dread.


  • edslater_
    edslater_ Posts: 11
    Disappointing not to come away with anything last night against Ipswich. A brilliant opening twenty minutes before injuries took the energy out of the team..

     I think we are going to be relying more on Oxford not winning more than expecting us to pick up a result. The pressure has affected the players and probably highlights exactly who needs to move on if we're going to improve the team.

    The obvious is what we need to sign which is pretty much every position to be honest. Personally, I would prioritise 1. Midfield 2.Wing Backs 3. A Goalkeeper 4. Striker or two. Looking at the squad, I would probably move up to 13 players on which includes loan players at the club, and players we've loaned out. Thoughts?
  • Dave Rudd
    Dave Rudd Posts: 3,030
    edited April 23
    Just a random thought ... are our match reports written by AI?

    Yet again we are given the 'Addicks fall to narrow defeat against/to *insert opponents*' headline.

    Now, I'm not looking for Shakespearean prose or Jack Kerouac streams of consciousness, but a little less 'formula' might be nice.

    Oh, and before you ask ... yes, I'll do it on request, but I don't come cheap.
  • Like others surprised how much that loss hurts given it was always going to be the least likely fixture to pick up points. But even knowing that, when you go from need a point in three games to need a point in two games, it feels so nervy. Add to that the manner of the loss - great start, hampered by injuries, then giving away the world's stupidest pen - plus the frustration at how we've played in recent easier games, and it's just so gutting.

    My big concerns for the run in are:

    - it looks like we've lost three of our best players at the worst time. After Jones I'd say Bell, Godden and TC are probably the players I'd least want injured.

    - the order of the fixtures - we have the harder of our two games first, without knowing if Oxford get what they need, and Oxford have SW first and are most likely to beat them. That brings nerves into it so much more both for Saturday and increasing the chance it goes to the final day, which is a huge problem because... 

    - we have completely lost our nerve. They look terrified and I think that's why we can't get a result over the line lately, someone panics and gifts them a goal, no one can put away chances (admittedly not entirely new), and we have even less calmness and quality on the ball than usual when chasing - it's hit and hope so early.

    I still think we'll get there, maybe just thanks to Oxford dropping points, but this is so unpleasant now

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  • ross1
    ross1 Posts: 51,417
    Sky does not help us by making us play Wednesday night instead of Tuesday so we could be live and then put us on Saturday midday. No chance for players to recover properly especially those with slight injuries 
  • ross1 said:
    Sky does not help us by making us play Wednesday night instead of Tuesday so we could be live and then put us on Saturday midday. No chance for players to recover properly especially those with slight injuries 
    Extra day won’t help this lot get a result 
  • EugenesAxe
    EugenesAxe Posts: 4,379
    They'd need another entire preseason
  • eastterrace6168
    eastterrace6168 Posts: 26,095
    ross1 said:
    Sky does not help us by making us play Wednesday night instead of Tuesday so we could be live and then put us on Saturday midday. No chance for players to recover properly especially those with slight injuries 
    Don't get me onto the bloodsuckers that are Sky....should be cast into the abyss, absolutely stupid that the whole football industry is in the control of these money grabbing pricks...
  • AndyG
    AndyG Posts: 6,290
    Not the finish to the season we all hoped for after the Boro game. So many occasions lately where we haven’t taken advantage when the chance was there. First 35 mins last night we was back to how we were earlier in the season then something happens it’s almost like a switch is turned off and we are unrecognisable as a team it’s just bizarre. I hope a decent transfer budget has been set aside as without a minimum of 6 new starters we will go down next season I think. We currently have a squad of triers but nobody who can really influence a game with a bit of individual brilliance although not sure those type of players fit into the team mantra atm
  • The Equaliser
    The Equaliser Posts: 766
    WSS said:
    You're assuming the ref had a clue last night.
    He looked very pleased with himself as he walked off at full time
  • Be interested if anyone else noticed this. But with about 2 minutes left on the clock, Coventry had the option to let the ball go out for a goal kick, or dribble up the pitch in open play. He chose to dribble about 20 yards, then turn around, and pass back to Kaminski, who then had to clear it under pressure. Just totally baffling. 
    There was another time in the 2nd half when we had a bit if a break down their left. They had about 5 defenders getting back to four of our players. Rather than trying a cross or passing, we just turned it right back to our backs who just humped it forwards and guess what.........!! As you say - just baffling!
  • soapy_jones
    soapy_jones Posts: 21,646
    Maybe the owners betting big may be contingent on the departure of NJ?

    Just spitballing.

    I want to keep him, my doubts are wether he copes well with any personalties with flare and nous for football, which ultimately comes from someone worth lets say £10m on the transfer market rather than £1m including add ons.  After all Southampton and Stoke may be a clue to this failing, although i am sure there are other reasons including that he might be considered a "difficult" personalty.

    As I say, after Middlesbro it has been all so pedictably Charlton copybook. We have been conditoned to implosion with a couple of notable exceptions of course over seasons.

    Up the Addicks
  • mendonca
    mendonca Posts: 9,660
    ross1 said:
    Sky does not help us by making us play Wednesday night instead of Tuesday so we could be live and then put us on Saturday midday. No chance for players to recover properly especially those with slight injuries 

    Both games are at home, so little complaints from me. 

    I do have complaints about Ipswich players falling into/onto our players to injure them with their full bodyweight "accidentally".
  • Briston_Addick
    Briston_Addick Posts: 13,484
    ross1 said:
    Sky does not help us by making us play Wednesday night instead of Tuesday so we could be live and then put us on Saturday midday. No chance for players to recover properly especially those with slight injuries 
    All midweek matches (apart from the bizarrely-labelled "displaced 3pm Saturday matches we had over Christmas/New Year) are shown live on Sky in some way. The issue is the splitting of the twelve fixtures across Tuesday and Wednesday so that Sky have games to show both days.

    Clubs are supposed to have an equal split of Tuesday and Wednesday games which is what happened in the original fixture list - and this was one of our Wednesdays.

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  • Briston_Addick
    Briston_Addick Posts: 13,484
    JamesSeed said:
    Horrible match. Ipswich are a league above us in terms of both budget and quality, admittedly, but they injured our two best attacking threats with poor challenges - and we desperately need them fit to stay up. 
    They also had a player booked for simulation. One camera angle showed that the penalty was also simulation. Macca foolishly laid a hand on him, but not enough to anything like bring him down; but, just like Jack Clarke, it looked on the replay that he did the old ‘stiff leg’ trick. I’d have to see it again to be sure, but I think VAR would have overruled it and given him a booking. 
    Naive of Macca though, either way.
    Can’t stand Ipswich. Hope they stay down.
    I don't think Oxford have anything like enough to win both their remaining matches, but with all the injuries I’m not expecting us to even pinch a draw from ours. It’s very worrying that we’ll probably have to rely on another team not winning to stay up. 

    VAR would have reviewed the challenge, confirmed the penalty ... then sent off Macca before awarding a second penalty for a frivolous appeal.
  • Briston_Addick
    Briston_Addick Posts: 13,484
    Brown59 said:
    Charlton were on Monday 33/1 to be relegated. Today they are at 6/1. Staggering the way Charlton are securing their own fate of relegation. Won’t see Jones for dust if we do go down which is looking more likely, even if he has a long contract. Won’t be any money available for Shity league one. Less season ticket holders less crowd financially we’re done for. 


    And at the start of the season, before a ball had been kicked we were 100/30 so we have longer odds now than back in August.
  • Redvalleyeast
    Redvalleyeast Posts: 5,053
    WSS said:
    You're assuming the ref had a clue last night.
    He looked very pleased with himself as he walked off at full time
    He looked a proper smug prick as he walked off. We've had in the main,crap refs all season down The Valley but that piece of shit last night took the piss. The booking of the Ipswich player 30 seconds from the end was the final bit of piss taking he did,they'd been diving all game and he gave nothing against them
  • EugenesAxe
    EugenesAxe Posts: 4,379
    JamesSeed said:
    Horrible match. Ipswich are a league above us in terms of both budget and quality, admittedly, but they injured our two best attacking threats with poor challenges - and we desperately need them fit to stay up. 
    They also had a player booked for simulation. One camera angle showed that the penalty was also simulation. Macca foolishly laid a hand on him, but not enough to anything like bring him down; but, just like Jack Clarke, it looked on the replay that he did the old ‘stiff leg’ trick. I’d have to see it again to be sure, but I think VAR would have overruled it and given him a booking. 
    Naive of Macca though, either way.
    Can’t stand Ipswich. Hope they stay down.
    I don't think Oxford have anything like enough to win both their remaining matches, but with all the injuries I’m not expecting us to even pinch a draw from ours. It’s very worrying that we’ll probably have to rely on another team not winning to stay up. 

    VAR would have reviewed the challenge, confirmed the penalty ... then sent off Macca before awarding a second penalty for a frivolous appeal.
    ...and docked us 3 points?
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 35,726
    edited April 23
    Like others surprised how much that loss hurts given it was always going to be the least likely fixture to pick up points. But even knowing that, when you go from need a point in three games to need a point in two games, it feels so nervy. Add to that the manner of the loss - great start, hampered by injuries, then giving away the world's stupidest pen - plus the frustration at how we've played in recent easier games, and it's just so gutting.

    My big concerns for the run in are:

    - it looks like we've lost three of our best players at the worst time. After Jones I'd say Bell, Godden and TC are probably the players I'd least want injured.

    - the order of the fixtures - we have the harder of our two games first, without knowing if Oxford get what they need, and Oxford have SW first and are most likely to beat them. That brings nerves into it so much more both for Saturday and increasing the chance it goes to the final day, which is a huge problem because... 

    - we have completely lost our nerve. They look terrified and I think that's why we can't get a result over the line lately, someone panics and gifts them a goal, no one can put away chances (admittedly not entirely new), and we have even less calmness and quality on the ball than usual when chasing - it's hit and hope so early.

    I still think we'll get there, maybe just thanks to Oxford dropping points, but this is so unpleasant now
    I wouldn't mind players not putting away chances if we were creating them in the first place. How many chances did we have yesterday  ?  Apart from the goal I dont think we really created anything else. Fevrier had a shot in the 1st half that went wide and maybe a couple of blocked shots in & around their box.....but 2nd half practically zilch. 
  • msomerton
    msomerton Posts: 3,455
    Nug said:
    Cannot fault the effort last night but the gulf in quality is huge between us and 80% of the teams in this league. The last few months has shown us we will need some significant investment to even get close to mid table next season if we manage to squeak in and stay here.

    I do worry Jones only has one way to play and it’s dreadful to watch, however as someone pointed out elsewhere, Wrexham play the same way with just much better players, I’d take that, but this is a tough watch with very little success.

    Wrexham just like Ipswich last night, were never in top gear against Oxford but I liked the way they would use their wide players but also hit their talented strikers in Smith and Windass with good  long passes from the back. Mix and match by Parky which is the way to play. 
    Our plan B last night was to revert to long balls to Dykes and once TC was crocked and no Fullah for a direct replacement we were snookered. 

    Did we all think after 10 games and 15 points we were dreadful to watch ? We haven't evolved as a side and it can't just be about defending as we can't rely on teams not taking their chances like Middlesbrough. 
    At the Business end of the season(last 10) we have been the weakest team along with Sheff wed over the duration of games which is tough to take especially with poor mistakes by individuals.
    Despite our limited budget we had enough not to be looking over our shoulder with two games to go.

    Will we ever score 2 goals in a game ever again!!!
    May be in the Isthmian Premier. 
  • peterreeves
    peterreeves Posts: 1,179
    If Bell, TC and Godden are out on Saturday are we thinking Burke and Gilly playing with Clarke and Chambers in front and Jones with Collins

    Terrifying if Burke and Gilly play but do we have any other options?

    I'm presuming midfield will be Doc, Cov Carey and Fev with Kelman and Dykes up front....

    I think theres no point in defending we need to bust a gut from the word go... 




  • gmantaxi
    gmantaxi Posts: 457
    We’re gonna get relegated at Swansea ain’t we …
  • ross1
    ross1 Posts: 51,417
    ross1 said:
    Sky does not help us by making us play Wednesday night instead of Tuesday so we could be live and then put us on Saturday midday. No chance for players to recover properly especially those with slight injuries 
    All midweek matches (apart from the bizarrely-labelled "displaced 3pm Saturday matches we had over Christmas/New Year) are shown live on Sky in some way. The issue is the splitting of the twelve fixtures across Tuesday and Wednesday so that Sky have games to show both days.

    Clubs are supposed to have an equal split of Tuesday and Wednesday games which is what happened in the original fixture list - and this was one of our Wednesdays.
    Yes but it is the early kick off Saturday after playing Wednesday that I am moaning about