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Attendance comparison
CAFCTrev
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2014-15 (our last non-relegation Championship season). 13th overall in the attendance table.
2025-26. 16th overall in the attendance table.
Thats a decent jump from 14-15, and potentially with more early kick-offs/fixture shenanigans to contend with than that season.
Makes me think that a Charlton team potentially fighting at the top end of the table for playoffs or even better could see another 2-3k on top of the average.
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20k+ is a great milestone to reach and that is in a less than glorious season.
Got my season ticket for next year.20 -
Biggest growth versus 3-year average:
Charlton Athletic, +5,981, or +42.5%
The Nathan Jones effect14 -
QPR, Millwall and Brentford average attendance this season looks to be either side of 17k. Palace looks like it’s around 24k. Our 20k for the season doesn’t look too shabby, more so when you consider we don’t have the PL attraction boost or a promotion chasing season firing up the bandwagon.10
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And with so many more matches on tvCAFCTrev said:2014-15 (our last non-relegation Championship season). 13th overall in the attendance table.
2025-26. 16th overall in the attendance table.
Thats a decent jump from 14-15, and potentially with more early kick-offs/fixture shenanigans to contend with than that season.
Makes me think that a Charlton team potentially fighting at the top end of the table for playoffs or even better could see another 2-3k on top of the average.
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We’ll do well to match those numbers next year
new ground for some of the away travellers
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100%. Will need better football and results, I feel , to stand a chanceoohaahmortimer said:We’ll do well to match those numbers next year
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I’m not so sure about that, it’s no longer just about the football and it’s become just as much about the social side of it. Initiatives like the Fans Zone and expanding it this season have taken on a life of their own - personally, I think the club should look into how much bigger they can make that for next season and whether it can be replicated elsewhere, even if not on the same scale to keep as much of that spending with the club.oohaahmortimer said:We’ll do well to match those numbers next year
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Don't want to put a downer on this but the statistics are probably compiled more favourably that 10 years ago.4
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I do not understand. Could you explain your thinking to those of us who are a bit slow?jimmymelrose said:Don't want to put a downer on this but the statistics are probably compiled more favourably that 10 years ago.4 -
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How many people actually use the Fans Zone; what percentage of that are attracted to pay £30 for a match ticket by it? I doubt it’s significant.letthegoodtimesroll said:
I’m not so sure about that, it’s no longer just about the football and it’s become just as much about the social side of it. Initiatives like the Fans Zone and expanding it this season have taken on a life of their own - personally, I think the club should look into how much bigger they can make that for next season and whether it can be replicated elsewhere, even if not on the same scale to keep as much of that spending with the club.oohaahmortimer said:We’ll do well to match those numbers next year
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I think he's implying that the figures have been fluffed up or inflated dishonestly for marketing or some other reason where higher figures could be beneficial.wolfgang said:
I do not understand. Could you explain your thinking to those of us who are a bit slow?jimmymelrose said:Don't want to put a downer on this but the statistics are probably compiled more favourably that 10 years ago.
Its possible, but you could also argue the figures from 2014/15 were as well.....1 -
I can't help but notice the new apartment blocks springing up around the ground.
Trinity Park (north of the railway) and Trinity Rise (South of the railway) are providing 766 new homes a spit away from the ground. This is part of the 'One Woolwich' re-gen project that plans to deliver 1615 new homes - there has to be potential here for new fans ... and less parking for us old fans
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A lot of people use the Fan Zone and with the limited places available for a drink around Charlton it’s a very welcome additionAirman Brown said:
How many people actually use the Fans Zone what percentage of that are attracted to pay £30 for a match ticket by it? I doubt it’s significant.letthegoodtimesroll said:
I’m not so sure about that, it’s no longer just about the football and it’s become just as much about the social side of it. Initiatives like the Fans Zone and expanding it this season have taken on a life of their own - personally, I think the club should look into how much bigger they can make that for next season and whether it can be replicated elsewhere, even if not on the same scale to keep as much of that spending with the club.oohaahmortimer said:We’ll do well to match those numbers next year
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All of those would have bigger attendances if their capacity allowed though.letthegoodtimesroll said:QPR, Millwall and Brentford average attendance this season looks to be either side of 17k. Palace looks like it’s around 24k. Our 20k for the season doesn’t look too shabby, more so when you consider we don’t have the PL attraction boost or a promotion chasing season firing up the bandwagon.
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Not true . They were manipulated just as bad ten years ago .jimmymelrose said:Don't want to put a downer on this but the statistics are probably compiled more favourably that 10 years ago.2 -
I suspect it’s more likely the capacity at The Valley will be increased long before any of those 3 grounds will be. QPR will have to move. Millwall could increase theirs but I suspect that would only come if they do go up and stay there. Palace have plans that don’t seem to have progressed for ‘years’ and we are now at the stage where it’s probably a big ask to fund them.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
All of those would have bigger attendances if their capacity allowed though.letthegoodtimesroll said:QPR, Millwall and Brentford average attendance this season looks to be either side of 17k. Palace looks like it’s around 24k. Our 20k for the season doesn’t look too shabby, more so when you consider we don’t have the PL attraction boost or a promotion chasing season firing up the bandwagon.
it wouldn’t be cheap expanding the capacity at Charlton but we are still at a low point in a rising curve. Averaging 20k this season, particularly when our home form took a dive, is pretty impressive. More importantly, we broke the playoff ‘Jinx/curse’ of being promoted at Wembley and getting relegated straight away. Next season could now see another big step forward. Ideally levelling up the roof of the East stand so it wraps around from the Upper North and filling that resulting void should be the next stage but I would guess developing the South stand would be a lot cheaper and the less disruptive option for us than expanding the capacity for those other 3 clubs if we do it before we really need it if the curve keeps rising.
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We don't even own our stadium, in what world do you think we are going to be expanding it?letthegoodtimesroll said:
I suspect it’s more likely the capacity at The Valley will be increased long before any of those 3 grounds will be. QPR will have to move. Millwall could increase theirs but I suspect that would only come if they do go up and stay there. Palace have plans that don’t seem to have progressed for ‘years’ and we are now at the stage where it’s probably a big ask to fund them.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
All of those would have bigger attendances if their capacity allowed though.letthegoodtimesroll said:QPR, Millwall and Brentford average attendance this season looks to be either side of 17k. Palace looks like it’s around 24k. Our 20k for the season doesn’t look too shabby, more so when you consider we don’t have the PL attraction boost or a promotion chasing season firing up the bandwagon.
it wouldn’t be cheap expanding the capacity at Charlton but we are still at a low point in a rising curve. Averaging 20k this season, particularly when our home form took a dive, is pretty impressive. More importantly, we broke the playoff ‘Jinx/curse’ of being promoted at Wembley and getting relegated straight away. Next season could now see another big step forward. Ideally levelling up the roof of the East stand so it wraps around from the Upper North and filling that resulting void should be the next stage but I would guess developing the South stand would be a lot cheaper and the less disruptive option for us than expanding the capacity for those other 3 clubs if we do it before we really need it if the curve keeps rising.14 -
In the world in which the club owners buy it. Until I read the @Raith_C_Chattonell post above I hadn’t realised that development creep had got so close to the ground. Now is probably a better time to sort out the ownership of the ground rather than wait until it’s worth considerably more.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
We don't even own our stadium, in what world do you think we are going to be expanding it?letthegoodtimesroll said:
I suspect it’s more likely the capacity at The Valley will be increased long before any of those 3 grounds will be. QPR will have to move. Millwall could increase theirs but I suspect that would only come if they do go up and stay there. Palace have plans that don’t seem to have progressed for ‘years’ and we are now at the stage where it’s probably a big ask to fund them.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
All of those would have bigger attendances if their capacity allowed though.letthegoodtimesroll said:QPR, Millwall and Brentford average attendance this season looks to be either side of 17k. Palace looks like it’s around 24k. Our 20k for the season doesn’t look too shabby, more so when you consider we don’t have the PL attraction boost or a promotion chasing season firing up the bandwagon.
it wouldn’t be cheap expanding the capacity at Charlton but we are still at a low point in a rising curve. Averaging 20k this season, particularly when our home form took a dive, is pretty impressive. More importantly, we broke the playoff ‘Jinx/curse’ of being promoted at Wembley and getting relegated straight away. Next season could now see another big step forward. Ideally levelling up the roof of the East stand so it wraps around from the Upper North and filling that resulting void should be the next stage but I would guess developing the South stand would be a lot cheaper and the less disruptive option for us than expanding the capacity for those other 3 clubs if we do it before we really need it if the curve keeps rising.0 -
Whilst we’re in the championship they’re never going to have a justifiable reason to spend 40M on the stadium financially it’s a massive ask, and would probably cost us championship relegation similar to what have happened to Oxford this year all money goes to stadium none to the squad.letthegoodtimesroll said:
In the world in which the club owners buy it. Until I read the @Raith_C_Chattonell post above I hadn’t realised that development creep had got so close to the ground. Now is probably a better time to sort out the ownership of the ground rather than wait until it’s worth considerably more.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
We don't even own our stadium, in what world do you think we are going to be expanding it?letthegoodtimesroll said:
I suspect it’s more likely the capacity at The Valley will be increased long before any of those 3 grounds will be. QPR will have to move. Millwall could increase theirs but I suspect that would only come if they do go up and stay there. Palace have plans that don’t seem to have progressed for ‘years’ and we are now at the stage where it’s probably a big ask to fund them.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
All of those would have bigger attendances if their capacity allowed though.letthegoodtimesroll said:QPR, Millwall and Brentford average attendance this season looks to be either side of 17k. Palace looks like it’s around 24k. Our 20k for the season doesn’t look too shabby, more so when you consider we don’t have the PL attraction boost or a promotion chasing season firing up the bandwagon.
it wouldn’t be cheap expanding the capacity at Charlton but we are still at a low point in a rising curve. Averaging 20k this season, particularly when our home form took a dive, is pretty impressive. More importantly, we broke the playoff ‘Jinx/curse’ of being promoted at Wembley and getting relegated straight away. Next season could now see another big step forward. Ideally levelling up the roof of the East stand so it wraps around from the Upper North and filling that resulting void should be the next stage but I would guess developing the South stand would be a lot cheaper and the less disruptive option for us than expanding the capacity for those other 3 clubs if we do it before we really need it if the curve keeps rising.
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I understand that but I doubt it’s used by 5% of the crowd and I doubt if many of them are coming to the game because it’s there. That doesn’t make it a bad thing; it does make seeing it as a significant driver of higher attendances a bit fanciful. Affordabiiity, value and ease of access are much more likely to play a part.raytreacy69 said:
A lot of people use the Fan Zone and with the limited places available for a drink around Charlton it’s a very welcome additionAirman Brown said:
How many people actually use the Fans Zone what percentage of that are attracted to pay £30 for a match ticket by it? I doubt it’s significant.letthegoodtimesroll said:
I’m not so sure about that, it’s no longer just about the football and it’s become just as much about the social side of it. Initiatives like the Fans Zone and expanding it this season have taken on a life of their own - personally, I think the club should look into how much bigger they can make that for next season and whether it can be replicated elsewhere, even if not on the same scale to keep as much of that spending with the club.oohaahmortimer said:We’ll do well to match those numbers next year
new ground for some of the away travellers
and no crest of a promotion wave for our fans6 -
If we wait until we are in the PL then the club probably won’t be able to afford it. This may be the last sweet spot to buy the ground and restart the development that was planned years ago. Easy for me to say because it’s not my money.Crispywood said:
Whilst we’re in the championship they’re never going to have a justifiable reason to spend 40M on the stadium financially it’s a massive ask, and would probably cost us championship relegation similar to what have happened to Oxford this year all money goes to stadium none to the squad.letthegoodtimesroll said:
In the world in which the club owners buy it. Until I read the @Raith_C_Chattonell post above I hadn’t realised that development creep had got so close to the ground. Now is probably a better time to sort out the ownership of the ground rather than wait until it’s worth considerably more.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
We don't even own our stadium, in what world do you think we are going to be expanding it?letthegoodtimesroll said:
I suspect it’s more likely the capacity at The Valley will be increased long before any of those 3 grounds will be. QPR will have to move. Millwall could increase theirs but I suspect that would only come if they do go up and stay there. Palace have plans that don’t seem to have progressed for ‘years’ and we are now at the stage where it’s probably a big ask to fund them.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
All of those would have bigger attendances if their capacity allowed though.letthegoodtimesroll said:QPR, Millwall and Brentford average attendance this season looks to be either side of 17k. Palace looks like it’s around 24k. Our 20k for the season doesn’t look too shabby, more so when you consider we don’t have the PL attraction boost or a promotion chasing season firing up the bandwagon.
it wouldn’t be cheap expanding the capacity at Charlton but we are still at a low point in a rising curve. Averaging 20k this season, particularly when our home form took a dive, is pretty impressive. More importantly, we broke the playoff ‘Jinx/curse’ of being promoted at Wembley and getting relegated straight away. Next season could now see another big step forward. Ideally levelling up the roof of the East stand so it wraps around from the Upper North and filling that resulting void should be the next stage but I would guess developing the South stand would be a lot cheaper and the less disruptive option for us than expanding the capacity for those other 3 clubs if we do it before we really need it if the curve keeps rising.
We realistically need the prem income money to be able to afford it
if there is development creep getting close then the value of the Valley is only going to go one way, up. I suspect Roland, or his future successors would probably like to put his association with the club behind him, though I may well be wrong on that. Selling the ground back to the ‘club’ is what everyone thinks would be the obvious outcome but I doubt that’s now the only option, it is a performing asset that generates a return, now has a that development creep aspect to it and if the club did return to the PL it will more critical to own and develop it (which will only push the price up further. Buying and developing it now when there looks like an upward curve in the clubs fortunes ahead of us is probably the best time to do it.
Oxford basically neglected a 3 sided stadium for too long and left it too late, that’s why they went down this season. Playing catch up is both more expensive and too late0 -
Even if we owned the stadium we wouldn't be expanding it. If we have 7k seats sitting empty on average why on earth would you spend millions of £'s to have more empty seats?letthegoodtimesroll said:
If we wait until we are in the PL then the club probably won’t be able to afford it. This may be the last sweet spot to buy the ground and restart the development that was planned years ago. Easy for me to say because it’s not my money.Crispywood said:
Whilst we’re in the championship they’re never going to have a justifiable reason to spend 40M on the stadium financially it’s a massive ask, and would probably cost us championship relegation similar to what have happened to Oxford this year all money goes to stadium none to the squad.letthegoodtimesroll said:
In the world in which the club owners buy it. Until I read the @Raith_C_Chattonell post above I hadn’t realised that development creep had got so close to the ground. Now is probably a better time to sort out the ownership of the ground rather than wait until it’s worth considerably more.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
We don't even own our stadium, in what world do you think we are going to be expanding it?letthegoodtimesroll said:
I suspect it’s more likely the capacity at The Valley will be increased long before any of those 3 grounds will be. QPR will have to move. Millwall could increase theirs but I suspect that would only come if they do go up and stay there. Palace have plans that don’t seem to have progressed for ‘years’ and we are now at the stage where it’s probably a big ask to fund them.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
All of those would have bigger attendances if their capacity allowed though.letthegoodtimesroll said:QPR, Millwall and Brentford average attendance this season looks to be either side of 17k. Palace looks like it’s around 24k. Our 20k for the season doesn’t look too shabby, more so when you consider we don’t have the PL attraction boost or a promotion chasing season firing up the bandwagon.
it wouldn’t be cheap expanding the capacity at Charlton but we are still at a low point in a rising curve. Averaging 20k this season, particularly when our home form took a dive, is pretty impressive. More importantly, we broke the playoff ‘Jinx/curse’ of being promoted at Wembley and getting relegated straight away. Next season could now see another big step forward. Ideally levelling up the roof of the East stand so it wraps around from the Upper North and filling that resulting void should be the next stage but I would guess developing the South stand would be a lot cheaper and the less disruptive option for us than expanding the capacity for those other 3 clubs if we do it before we really need it if the curve keeps rising.
We realistically need the prem income money to be able to afford it
if there is development creep getting close then the value of the Valley is only going to go one way, up. I suspect Roland, or his future successors would probably like to put his association with the club behind him, though I may well be wrong on that. Selling the ground back to the ‘club’ is what everyone thinks would be the obvious outcome but I doubt that’s now the only option, it is a performing asset that generates a return, now has a that development creep aspect to it and if the club did return to the PL it will more critical to own and develop it (which will only push the price up further. Buying and developing it now when there looks like an upward curve in the clubs fortunes ahead of us is probably the best time to do it.
Oxford basically neglected a 3 sided stadium for too long and left it too late, that’s why they went down this season. Playing catch up is both more expensive and too late
Oxford haven't neglected their stadium, they have been trying to get a new one off the ground for ages but have been held up by local politics from what I've seen.6 -
We didn't sell out, or even get close to selling out, a single league game this season.letthegoodtimesroll said:
If we wait until we are in the PL then the club probably won’t be able to afford it. This may be the last sweet spot to buy the ground and restart the development that was planned years ago. Easy for me to say because it’s not my money.Crispywood said:
Whilst we’re in the championship they’re never going to have a justifiable reason to spend 40M on the stadium financially it’s a massive ask, and would probably cost us championship relegation similar to what have happened to Oxford this year all money goes to stadium none to the squad.letthegoodtimesroll said:
In the world in which the club owners buy it. Until I read the @Raith_C_Chattonell post above I hadn’t realised that development creep had got so close to the ground. Now is probably a better time to sort out the ownership of the ground rather than wait until it’s worth considerably more.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
We don't even own our stadium, in what world do you think we are going to be expanding it?letthegoodtimesroll said:
I suspect it’s more likely the capacity at The Valley will be increased long before any of those 3 grounds will be. QPR will have to move. Millwall could increase theirs but I suspect that would only come if they do go up and stay there. Palace have plans that don’t seem to have progressed for ‘years’ and we are now at the stage where it’s probably a big ask to fund them.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
All of those would have bigger attendances if their capacity allowed though.letthegoodtimesroll said:QPR, Millwall and Brentford average attendance this season looks to be either side of 17k. Palace looks like it’s around 24k. Our 20k for the season doesn’t look too shabby, more so when you consider we don’t have the PL attraction boost or a promotion chasing season firing up the bandwagon.
it wouldn’t be cheap expanding the capacity at Charlton but we are still at a low point in a rising curve. Averaging 20k this season, particularly when our home form took a dive, is pretty impressive. More importantly, we broke the playoff ‘Jinx/curse’ of being promoted at Wembley and getting relegated straight away. Next season could now see another big step forward. Ideally levelling up the roof of the East stand so it wraps around from the Upper North and filling that resulting void should be the next stage but I would guess developing the South stand would be a lot cheaper and the less disruptive option for us than expanding the capacity for those other 3 clubs if we do it before we really need it if the curve keeps rising.
We realistically need the prem income money to be able to afford it
if there is development creep getting close then the value of the Valley is only going to go one way, up. I suspect Roland, or his future successors would probably like to put his association with the club behind him, though I may well be wrong on that. Selling the ground back to the ‘club’ is what everyone thinks would be the obvious outcome but I doubt that’s now the only option, it is a performing asset that generates a return, now has a that development creep aspect to it and if the club did return to the PL it will more critical to own and develop it (which will only push the price up further. Buying and developing it now when there looks like an upward curve in the clubs fortunes ahead of us is probably the best time to do it.
Oxford basically neglected a 3 sided stadium for too long and left it too late, that’s why they went down this season. Playing catch up is both more expensive and too late
Our owners are not going to spend tens of millions buying the ground off Roland, and then spend even more to redevelop it, until there is an absolute necessity to do so.10 -
Promotion is worth 150M Duchatelet isn’t suddenly going to up the asking price by 150M and if he does then he’s kidding himself if he thinks he’s getting that.He’s going to get desperate at some point because promotion to the premier league is the only way he’s ever going to get the 40M and make his money back would be his only chance of ever being rid of us0
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Also when you look at Bournemouth, Palace, Brentford and Fulham who all have similar or smaller capacities than us, you could argue if there's even a need to expand if we do get the premier league.
I think we'd have to get up, and then stay there for 2-3 years before anyone deemed an expansion to be necessary.
Bournemouth have been up there for 4 years and only now have decided to expand their ground to 20k.5 -
What's Sandgaard got to do with it? The ground is owned by Duchatelet.Crispywood said:Promotion is worth 150M Sandgaard isn’t suddenly going to up the asking price by 150M and if he does then he’s kidding himself if he thinks he’s getting that.He’s going to get desperate at some point because promotion to the premier league is the only way he’s ever going to get the 40M and make his money back would be his only chance of ever being rid of us2 -
Yep had a momentLargeAddick said:
What's Sandgaard got to do with it? The ground is owned by Duchatelet.Crispywood said:Promotion is worth 150M Sandgaard isn’t suddenly going to up the asking price by 150M and if he does then he’s kidding himself if he thinks he’s getting that.He’s going to get desperate at some point because promotion to the premier league is the only way he’s ever going to get the 40M and make his money back would be his only chance of ever being rid of us1 -
Promotion isn’t worth £150m though. We will still be loss making.1
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The winners of the 2024-25 Championship play-off final are set to receive a minimum of £200m in extra income.valleynick66 said:Promotion isn’t worth £150m though. We will still be loss making.
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