You're the Board - what are the targets and expectations for the 26/27 season?

CafcSteve

carly burn said:

Do we think Apter and Oloafe have a future at the club?

Apter definitely won’t after how bad his loan spell at Bolton has gone.

Tanto has more chance but suspect that he might go out on loan again.

carly burn

CafcSteve said:

carly burn said:

Do we think Apter and Oloafe have a future at the club?

Apter definitely won’t after how bad his loan spell at Bolton has gone.

Tanto has more chance but suspect that he might go out on loan again.

I think the other way round  for some reason.

I feel there was a clash of playing styles with Apter and Jones. If he comes back and offers to completely buy into becoming the playerJones wanted him to be when he signed him and not the player Apter wants to be, then I can see him staying.
I think Tanto may be moved on.

Bailey

I would like Charlton TV included in Valley Gold membership at a dicounted rate of £5, rather than the £7 it currently stands at. 

AberystwythAddick

12-18th finish

MarcusH26

carly burn said:

CafcSteve said:

carly burn said:

Do we think Apter and Oloafe have a future at the club?

Apter definitely won’t after how bad his loan spell at Bolton has gone.

Tanto has more chance but suspect that he might go out on loan again.

I think the other way round  for some reason.

I feel there was a clash of playing styles with Apter and Jones. If he comes back and offers to completely buy into becoming the playerJones wanted him to be when he signed him and not the player Apter wants to be, then I can see him staying.
I think Tanto may be moved on.

Yeah I agree with this , there's more of a chance of Apter figuring it out at this level than Tanto who looked completely lost. Will have to seriously cut our losses on Tanto as I doubt we'll get anywhere near what we paid. 

killerandflash

valleynick66 said:

cafcfan said:

Targets:  I shudder whenever I see that word.  They are always a bad idea. If anyone is interested search Goodhart's Law.  (Targets have been screwing over the general performance of the NHS for decades.)

Anyway as a simple example, if a striker is given a target of 20 goals in a season (and a bonus if he achieves that), it will probably distort the play and performance of the team.  Said striker is always likely to shoot even when a pass to another better-placed player would be more desirable.

If the club can put in place a number of measures that can demonstrate how well we are doing both on and off the pitch then all well and good. 

The key, for me, has to be to increase income. With the limits placed on losses over a three-year period. (£39mn is it?) we are always going to struggle to compete without the relief provided by more income. With the best will in the world you are not going to get significant extra money from the fans. TV money is fairly fixed, so that leaves receipts from outgoing transfers and additional sponsorship as the main drivers. Alice Larkworthy as Commercial Director has got one hell of a job to do.

I can only conclude none of the current squad are on such a bonus 😆

Harry Clarke is on a very low basic wage, combined with a massive goal bonus. 

That's what he told me at the soup kitchen anyway. 

CafcSteve

carly burn said:

CafcSteve said:

carly burn said:

Do we think Apter and Oloafe have a future at the club?

Apter definitely won’t after how bad his loan spell at Bolton has gone.

Tanto has more chance but suspect that he might go out on loan again.

I think the other way round  for some reason.

I feel there was a clash of playing styles with Apter and Jones. If he comes back and offers to completely buy into becoming the playerJones wanted him to be when he signed him and not the player Apter wants to be, then I can see him staying.
I think Tanto may be moved on.

The problem is that Apter has apparently not knuckled down whilst at Bolton either.

Jones will probably be less impressed by that than the fact that he hasn’t scored a single goal.

sillav nitram

PWR

We certainly need to improve our goalscoring ability. Only being able to score a goal a game was hugely impactful on our chances of drawing or winning games.

Garrymanilow

Jones made a comment in his post-match interview about some players coming back hopefully armed with a bit more confidence. I assumed that was aimed at the loans returning like Apter, Olaofe and possibly Anderson. I'd like to think that it's a clean slate for all of them. If Apter is willing to actually defend and concentrate, Olaofe is more aggressive and clinical and Anderson improves on the ball there's no reason why they can't be part of our squad next season. It's up to them, particularly in the case of Apter. Two of those three decided that they didn't fancy the fight to be included though so I'm not holding my breath on them wanting to stick around

Uboat

We should be aiming to finish no lower than the third quartile of the fourth quintile. 

JustFloydRoad

sam3110 said:

• Solid mid table (8th-14th)*
• Academy Category 1 Status**
• An actual cup run
• Fully integrate 2 or 3 academy players into the first team squad (Fullah, MBick, Gough are prime candidates, potentially Mwamba or Enslin getting decent League loans too)
• Better football, less sufferball and aim to score 2 or more goals a dozen times at least in the season

Concur with this except:

*- I'd consider a 9th- 17th finish would be okay for season two. 

**- I'd understand if we are not at that level yet, but want to see signs of progress.

Also with the potential of a WSL side-

Their aims would be survive relegation and a blueprint about the new women development centre.

In case they don't make it the women expectations would be promotion next season.

I generally don't care about cup runs unless the team is progressing in the top tier then I am all for cup runs.

I understand a cup run benefited Southampton this season, but I wouldn't say Charlton aren't on that level yet.

usetobunkin

15th or better. 

Decent Cup Run. 

Not signing players who have a poor injury record. 

A old war horse to play alongside Lloyd. (Old Premier player looking for a last hurrah) ala Coady.
TC to play on the wing. 

Gooden given an appearance related contract. 

And my Valley Gold number to be put in the f@#kin hat, once in a while . 7 years and sweet FA,nothing zilch nada

carly burn

CafcSteve said:

carly burn said:

CafcSteve said:

carly burn said:

Do we think Apter and Oloafe have a future at the club?

Apter definitely won’t after how bad his loan spell at Bolton has gone.

Tanto has more chance but suspect that he might go out on loan again.

I think the other way round  for some reason.

I feel there was a clash of playing styles with Apter and Jones. If he comes back and offers to completely buy into becoming the playerJones wanted him to be when he signed him and not the player Apter wants to be, then I can see him staying.
I think Tanto may be moved on.

The problem is that Apter has apparently not knuckled down whilst at Bolton either.

Jones will probably be less impressed by that than the fact that he hasn’t scored a single goal.

In a way it's sort of understandable.
Young kid gets a big money move and has is nose seriously put out of joint after regularly being benched and on some occasions dug out for poor performance finally culminating in a demotion back to league one mid season.
It's been a wretched season for the lad and no doubt one he would want to forget. His head must've been like scrambled eggs.

Put a line under it. Have a break. Have a serious sit down with Jones about a way back in and get his head down with a good pre season and hopefully we'll see a good things from him.

Elthamaddick

towards the top (of the bottom half) and c60 points has to be the minimum aim.

slow and steady, alot will depend on the transfer window so we might all revisit our views in 4 months time

charltonkeston

It’s a very difficult league to predict as there are a fare number of clubs that are a similar size and resources. Obviously there are always exceptions, one of the worlds biggest clubs could be joining us next season while also one of the worlds Sheffield's biggest clubs left us. Millwall have done ever so well this season and they are one of the smallest but credit where its due, they have built on successive seasons and managed to behave off the field but they tend to let themselves down on the big stage of the play offs. The teams coming down should take 3 of the top 6 easily, the teams that just miss out this season I would expect to make up the next spaces down to 6th-8th. Coming  up I suspect Cardiff will be strong, Lincoln probably also. If Bolton join those we may be looking at a tough season. We need to invest and I would expect the owners to know this but we will still have one of the lowest budgets. If I were them I’d be looking to invest in a couple of midfielders in the hope that they could move our game up a few yards while creating chances for our forwards.  If we can get off to another good start and keep the momentum going I think we may have realistic chance of getting 15th. 

randy andy

To enter April if not mathematically safe, then at least realistically safe, and still in with an outside chance of the playoffs

ShootersHillGuru

carly burn said:

CafcSteve said:

carly burn said:

Do we think Apter and Oloafe have a future at the club?

Apter definitely won’t after how bad his loan spell at Bolton has gone.

Tanto has more chance but suspect that he might go out on loan again.

I think the other way round  for some reason.

I feel there was a clash of playing styles with Apter and Jones. If he comes back and offers to completely buy into becoming the playerJones wanted him to be when he signed him and not the player Apter wants to be, then I can see him staying.
I think Tanto may be moved on.

Then you have to ask the question why he was signed. Perhaps it was thought he could adjust to NJ’s demands but it’s now fairly obvious he couldn’t and perhaps more importantly wouldn’t. Loan at Bolton where he should have been busting a gut to either get a move or prove to Jones he’s good enough has been by the comments of Bolton fans a disaster. I think he’s burnt all bridges at The Valley and we’ll never see him in first team contention again. As for Tanto. I just don’t think he’s got Championship quality. Questions over scouting on both.

KingKinsella

ShootersHillGuru said:

carly burn said:

CafcSteve said:

carly burn said:

Do we think Apter and Oloafe have a future at the club?

Apter definitely won’t after how bad his loan spell at Bolton has gone.

Tanto has more chance but suspect that he might go out on loan again.

I think the other way round  for some reason.

I feel there was a clash of playing styles with Apter and Jones. If he comes back and offers to completely buy into becoming the playerJones wanted him to be when he signed him and not the player Apter wants to be, then I can see him staying.
I think Tanto may be moved on.

Then you have to ask the question why he was signed. Perhaps it was thought he could adjust to NJ’s demands but it’s now fairly obvious he couldn’t and perhaps more importantly wouldn’t. Loan at Bolton where he should have been busting a gut to either get a move or prove to Jones he’s good enough has been by the comments of Bolton fans a disaster. I think he’s burnt all bridges at The Valley and we’ll never see him in first team contention again. As for Tanto. I just don’t think he’s got Championship quality. Questions over scouting on both.

Exactly. what little money we had  not well spent/invested

KingKinsella

KingKinsella said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

carly burn said:

CafcSteve said:

carly burn said:

Do we think Apter and Oloafe have a future at the club?

Apter definitely won’t after how bad his loan spell at Bolton has gone.

Tanto has more chance but suspect that he might go out on loan again.

I think the other way round  for some reason.

I feel there was a clash of playing styles with Apter and Jones. If he comes back and offers to completely buy into becoming the playerJones wanted him to be when he signed him and not the player Apter wants to be, then I can see him staying.
I think Tanto may be moved on.

Then you have to ask the question why he was signed. Perhaps it was thought he could adjust to NJ’s demands but it’s now fairly obvious he couldn’t and perhaps more importantly wouldn’t. Loan at Bolton where he should have been busting a gut to either get a move or prove to Jones he’s good enough has been by the comments of Bolton fans a disaster. I think he’s burnt all bridges at The Valley and we’ll never see him in first team contention again. As for Tanto. I just don’t think he’s got Championship quality. Questions over scouting on both.

Exactly. what little money we had  not well spent/invested

Also accounts from year before said £900k-£1m spent on agents.

KingKinsella

Photollery said:

Quicker hand dryers in the West Stand, meaning faster exit from the men’s toilets to buy more pints…

and hot water in the winter

KingKinsella

SouthLincsAddick said:

Carter has already stated that their aim is to have a mid table budget in 3 years time so I would expect just a modest increase on this seasons bottom three budget.

I’m expecting no pivot to expansive, attacking football, I think there will be more of the same, if we want to survive. I also think it’s going to be hard to expect NJ to overachieve on our budget two years in a row, so I’m expecting us to stay where we are, not in a relegation fight but around the same finishing position. 

I worry that a lot of the fan base will become frustrated with NJ because they will perceive a lack of progress, when actually he is working miracles with the finances we will have. Blaming what will turn out to be our best manager for a decade when their frustration emanates from the funding of the club. Yet the owners are still losing a huge amount of money each year and want to keep those losses manageable, and avoid points deductions.

I personally don’t get this obsession with playing expansive football, did we turn into Spurs all of a sudden? Does anyone remember the Curbs PL years and his mantra of ‘stop the opposition playing their game’. Perhaps the same fans demanding pretty football now are the same that said Curbs had taken us a far as he could. 

yeah Claus jensen darren Bent Paulo Dicing  bunch of useless......

KingKinsella

bolloxbolder said:

The way football is I think a lot of clubs next season will face either points deduction or transfer embargoes. I think this already includes, Pompey and WBA. Hull of course will  still be embargoed.

Are we included ?£15m losses for the last few years/

Crispywood

KingKinsella said:

bolloxbolder said:

The way football is I think a lot of clubs next season will face either points deduction or transfer embargoes. I think this already includes, Pompey and WBA. Hull of course will  still be embargoed.

Are we included ?£15m losses for the last few years/

Those rules don’t apply whilst we were in L1

up_the_valley

Well.... I'm about to start a COUNTDOWN TO PROMOTION THREAD. 

SouthLincsAddick

sillav nitram said:

PWR

We certainly need to improve our goalscoring ability. Only being able to score a goal a game was hugely impactful on our chances of drawing or winning games.

I agree with you, it would be great to score more goals, but how do we do that when we have one of the lowest budgets in the league, that’s not going to improve much next season? I think that if NJ had more resources he would’ve got better strikers, but he didn’t so had to work on us being hard to score against. The scoring more goals bit might be more of a gradual improvement.

BigDiddy

- Minimum 20,000 fans at every home game 
- get some real quality loan signings in key positions 
- 15th position or better

Garrymanilow

KingKinsella said:

SouthLincsAddick said:

Carter has already stated that their aim is to have a mid table budget in 3 years time so I would expect just a modest increase on this seasons bottom three budget.

I’m expecting no pivot to expansive, attacking football, I think there will be more of the same, if we want to survive. I also think it’s going to be hard to expect NJ to overachieve on our budget two years in a row, so I’m expecting us to stay where we are, not in a relegation fight but around the same finishing position. 

I worry that a lot of the fan base will become frustrated with NJ because they will perceive a lack of progress, when actually he is working miracles with the finances we will have. Blaming what will turn out to be our best manager for a decade when their frustration emanates from the funding of the club. Yet the owners are still losing a huge amount of money each year and want to keep those losses manageable, and avoid points deductions.

I personally don’t get this obsession with playing expansive football, did we turn into Spurs all of a sudden? Does anyone remember the Curbs PL years and his mantra of ‘stop the opposition playing their game’. Perhaps the same fans demanding pretty football now are the same that said Curbs had taken us a far as he could. 

yeah Claus jensen darren Bent Paulo Dicing  bunch of useless......

He was a cut above the rest

Athletico Charlton

Start a fake taxi company, sponsor the club, spend £50M getting promoted to the PL. 

Once there buy back The Valley and training ground, and immediately spend £500M on improvements making the academy CatA+; filling the sides of The Valley, sticking two more tiers on the east stand so from the top you had a view of Canary Wharf, Thames Barrier and City airport. 

Stick a helipad on the roof and offer the highest tier to tourists at extortionate amounts on the basis they fly into City and helicopter to the ground.  Use that money to subsidise everyone else's season ticket.

Win the Champions League in 5 years.

Simple. 

cabbles

Sustainable progression, 60 pts would be the target and hopefully well clear of any relegation fears with 7/8 to play.

I would like to see Jones bring players in that reflect a bit more ambition in an attacking sense.  We bought attacking players in the summer, but unfortunately they just aren’t able to compete at this level (Tanto/Apter).  

We got lucky in that there were only 2 relegation spots to avoid.  Obviously we’re hoping to kick on, but as Oxford found out this season, there’s no guarantee staying up one season won’t mean you can’t go down the next season.   

Our competition will be Lincoln, Cardiff (plus whoever comes up via the playoffs).  We’re then firmly trying to mix it and better Blackburn, Pompey, Stoke (I think they’re going to struggle next season and are a team we need to finishing above.  You could potentially throw Watford in there, QPR maybe.  WBA might be okay if Maddison is appointed.  Preston/Bristol City/Swansea/Birmingham should all have enough about them to get mid/upper mid table.  

60pts and see where that takes us, plus a few decent attacking options would do me fine.  

MuttleyCAFC

Jones said after the game that we will do better next year. I think with Jones, you just need to trust him and let him get on with it. So I'm not going to say what he needs to do and where we will finish, I just intend to enjoy the ride. Let us make no mistake, keeping us up with our budget after getting promotion through the play offs is a massive achievement. Some might say, as there are always some that do, that we were lucky there were points deductions although I think both Leicester and Wednesday will have finished below us without them.