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Ann Widdecombe RIP

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  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,724
    Second arrest made
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 24,027
    Chizz said:
    Second arrest made

    "A 28 year old British white national has been arrested in South Yorkshire"

    RIP Ann Widdecombe
  • MrWalker
    MrWalker Posts: 4,332
    jose said:
    I wonder if she had a fall and banged her head, but the initial investigation suggested blows to the head.
    I heard on the wireless this morning that Ann Widdecombe missed a Channel 5 thing last Wednesday, and that she was discovered in her kitchen.
    I don’t know when and who found her.
    Oh do bog off you imposter. You were banned for good reason 
  • Chippycafc
    Chippycafc Posts: 14,535
    I recall watching her many years ago on QT and was impressed by something she said. 

    She said, political parties should stop kicking the NHS about like a political football. We should bang our heads together on all sides and resolve its issues once and for all. 

    Nothing came of it of course. 
  • cfgs
    cfgs Posts: 11,813
    Chippycafc said:
    I recall watching her many years ago on QT and was impressed by something she said. 

    She said, political parties should stop kicking the NHS about like a political football. We should bang our heads together on all sides and resolve its issues once and for all. 

    Nothing came of it of course. 
    Politics should be for the benefit of the country and not the politicians.
  • AddicksAddict
    AddicksAddict Posts: 16,597
    Not sure I get all of this stuff about her being a conviction politician when she joined Reform. 
  • eastterrace6168
    eastterrace6168 Posts: 27,086
    This thread is becoming a party political broadcast...🤦‍♂️
  • Chippycafc
    Chippycafc Posts: 14,535
    OMG
  • cafcnick1992
    cafcnick1992 Posts: 7,814
    In the least surprising news of the day, this crime is now being treated as an act of terrorism
  • DamoNorthStand
    DamoNorthStand Posts: 12,804
    cafcnick1992 said:
    In the least surprising news of the day, this crime is now being treated as an act of terrorism

    It was always going to be the case. Somebody doesnt randomly pop into their car to drive hundreds of miles to murder somebody if there is not a single political cause in their head. Why the police jumped straight into a denial of that point is another matter.

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  • CaptainRobbo
    CaptainRobbo Posts: 2,348
    edited July 13
    DamoNorthStand said:
    cafcnick1992 said:
    In the least surprising news of the day, this crime is now being treated as an act of terrorism

    It was always going to be the case. Somebody doesnt randomly pop into their car to drive hundreds of miles to murder somebody if there is not a single political cause in their head. Why the police jumped straight into a denial of that point is another matter.
    Think the police need to get back to the idea of catching criminals, before playing politics in every case they deal with. 
    However out of date that might be. 
  • ME14addick
    ME14addick Posts: 10,073
    The Police asked for no speculation, we do not know anything other than counter terrorism police involved. Speculation is not helpful and leads to wrong conclusions. 
  • cafcnick1992
    cafcnick1992 Posts: 7,814
    edited July 13
    ME14addick said:
    The Police asked for no speculation, we do not know anything other than counter terrorism police involved. Speculation is not helpful and leads to wrong conclusions. 
    .
  • PrincessFiona
    PrincessFiona Posts: 5,933
    DamoNorthStand said:
    cafcnick1992 said:
    In the least surprising news of the day, this crime is now being treated as an act of terrorism

    It was always going to be the case. Somebody doesnt randomly pop into their car to drive hundreds of miles to murder somebody if there is not a single political cause in their head. Why the police jumped straight into a denial of that point is another matter.
    They didn't deny it outright but when they said there is no evidence of it, they should have stage 'at this stage', as things can change on a daily if not hourly basis
  • cafcnick1992
    cafcnick1992 Posts: 7,814
    PrincessFiona said:
    DamoNorthStand said:
    cafcnick1992 said:
    In the least surprising news of the day, this crime is now being treated as an act of terrorism

    It was always going to be the case. Somebody doesnt randomly pop into their car to drive hundreds of miles to murder somebody if there is not a single political cause in their head. Why the police jumped straight into a denial of that point is another matter.
    They didn't deny it outright but when they said there is no evidence of it, they should have stage 'at this stage', as things can change on a daily if not hourly basis
    I agree completely, but the police are under a lot of pressure these days to limit speculation by filling the vacuum with something.
  • Richard J
    Richard J Posts: 8,116
    RIP to Ann 

    I think the police have done an excellent job in identifying the suspect and arresting him so quickly 

    The most helpful interview regarding this i have seen was the ex Head of the Met on Sky who identified that the Counter Terrorism experts had been involved early on and were key in tracing this suspect.

    He said their involvement did not necessarily mean her murder was politically motivated. It was only one of the theories.

    Let's not speculate and allow the experts to do their job 
  • PrincessFiona
    PrincessFiona Posts: 5,933
    Richard J said:
    RIP to Ann 

    I think the police have done an excellent job in identifying the suspect and arresting him so quickly 

    The most helpful interview regarding this i have seen was the ex Head of the Met on Sky who identified that the Counter Terrorism experts had been involved early on and were key in tracing this suspect.

    He said their involvement did not necessarily mean her murder was politically motivated. It was only one of the theories.

    Let's not speculate and allow the experts to do their job 
    Exactly!
  • PrincessFiona
    PrincessFiona Posts: 5,933
    cafcnick1992 said:
    PrincessFiona said:
    DamoNorthStand said:
    cafcnick1992 said:
    In the least surprising news of the day, this crime is now being treated as an act of terrorism

    It was always going to be the case. Somebody doesnt randomly pop into their car to drive hundreds of miles to murder somebody if there is not a single political cause in their head. Why the police jumped straight into a denial of that point is another matter.
    They didn't deny it outright but when they said there is no evidence of it, they should have stage 'at this stage', as things can change on a daily if not hourly basis
    I agree completely, but the police are under a lot of pressure these days to limit speculation by filling the vacuum with something.
    Well they need to be a bit more careful how they word updates. They did not rule it out, but should have said 'no evidence at this stage' or not be drawn at all and been more robust at needing time to investigate thoroughly and properly
  • stop_shouting
    stop_shouting Posts: 3,744
    RIP Ann.

    Every time one of these terrible incidents happen, which seem to be a regular thing nowadays, the communication from the police appears nothing short of negligent. 

    Who on earth trains the people that put out these statements.
  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 21,823
    edited July 13
    PrincessFiona said:
    cafcnick1992 said:
    PrincessFiona said:
    DamoNorthStand said:
    cafcnick1992 said:
    In the least surprising news of the day, this crime is now being treated as an act of terrorism

    It was always going to be the case. Somebody doesnt randomly pop into their car to drive hundreds of miles to murder somebody if there is not a single political cause in their head. Why the police jumped straight into a denial of that point is another matter.
    They didn't deny it outright but when they said there is no evidence of it, they should have stage 'at this stage', as things can change on a daily if not hourly basis
    I agree completely, but the police are under a lot of pressure these days to limit speculation by filling the vacuum with something.
    Well they need to be a bit more careful how they word updates. They did not rule it out, but should have said 'no evidence at this stage' or not be drawn at all and been more robust at needing time to investigate thoroughly and properly

    If, as seems likely, the Anti-Terrorism Squad have been involved from the start then it is entirely possible that they instructed the local force to issue the statement about no reason to believe terrorism is involved. A lot of their work would be under cover and it's possible that any terrorism related individuals involved could drop their guard if they thought they were in the clear.

    Just pure speculation on my part but seems to make sense to me.

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  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 48,313
    I think the principle here is justice. We have to let it play out and find out as much as we can about the cause via the police. Until then it is best not to speculate. 
  • cfgs
    cfgs Posts: 11,813
    What annoys me the most is the news outlets, happily reporting the police's request to not speculate, whilst they rush to interview everyone including the neighbours of the man in custody. Everyone spoken to are obviously asked for their motive due to the quotes attributed to them.
  • Huskaris
    Huskaris Posts: 9,963
    edited July 13
    I do find the online Agatha Christies (largely based on bollocks from other idiots online) that we have seen (in many other cases too) quite ghoulish to be honest. 

    The most important thing is that they have arrested someone. Communication (or lack of it) is often part of the strategy on how they catch people. Ultimately us knowing within 6,12,24,48 hours exactly what happened in order to satisfy our weird cravings to know everything right away is completely unimportant.

    What's important is justice. 
  • PrincessFiona
    PrincessFiona Posts: 5,933
    edited July 13
    stop_shouting said:
    RIP Ann.

    Every time one of these terrible incidents happen, which seem to be a regular thing nowadays, the communication from the police appears nothing short of negligent. 

    Who on earth trains the people that put out these statements.
    I doubt D&C have that much CT experience. I understand CTPSE are assisting them - they have more
  • PrincessFiona
    PrincessFiona Posts: 5,933
    Huskaris said:
    I do find the online Agatha Christies (largely based on bollocks from other idiots online) that we have seen (in many other cases too) quite ghoulish to be honest. 

    The most important thing is that they have arrested someone. Communication (or lack of it) is often part of the strategy on how they catch people. Ultimately us knowing within 6,12,24,48 hours exactly what happened in order to satisfy our weird cravings to know everything right away is completely unimportant.

    What's important is justice. 
    exactly. No one, not even the immediate family needs to know where thing stands, although the FLO will keep the family informed, as much as they can

    The amount of ridiculous comments I've seen is, erm, ridiculous. I dodnt; thikn some people know how stupid they are! Unfortuantely that seems to result in the police saying things they probably shouldn't/don't need to. Unfortunately it is the legacy of Southport (even if it wasn't terrorism)
  • PrincessFiona
    PrincessFiona Posts: 5,933
    bobmunro said:
    PrincessFiona said:
    cafcnick1992 said:
    PrincessFiona said:
    DamoNorthStand said:
    cafcnick1992 said:
    In the least surprising news of the day, this crime is now being treated as an act of terrorism

    It was always going to be the case. Somebody doesnt randomly pop into their car to drive hundreds of miles to murder somebody if there is not a single political cause in their head. Why the police jumped straight into a denial of that point is another matter.
    They didn't deny it outright but when they said there is no evidence of it, they should have stage 'at this stage', as things can change on a daily if not hourly basis
    I agree completely, but the police are under a lot of pressure these days to limit speculation by filling the vacuum with something.
    Well they need to be a bit more careful how they word updates. They did not rule it out, but should have said 'no evidence at this stage' or not be drawn at all and been more robust at needing time to investigate thoroughly and properly

    If, as seems likely, the Anti-Terrorism Squad have been involved from the start then it is entirely possible that they instructed the local force to issue the statement about no reason to believe terrorism is involved. A lot of their work would be under cover and it's possible that any terrorism related individuals involved could drop their guard if they thought they were in the clear.

    Just pure speculation on my part but seems to make sense to me.
    that is possible
  • CaptainRobbo
    CaptainRobbo Posts: 2,348
    Just seen on YouTube a video from the Sun showing CCTV footage ( I guess from a neighbour's ring camera ) of many Police officers pulling up outside the suspects house in Rotherham and then putting him into the back of a van.
    Can't see how the Sun would be able to show this without permission from the Police, which puzzles me.
    To be fair the Police have not hung about getting this done, after initially arresting a totally different guy the day before.
    Credit where it's due.
  • PrincessFiona
    PrincessFiona Posts: 5,933
    CaptainRobbo said:
    Just seen on YouTube a video from the Sun showing CCTV footage ( I guess from a neighbour's ring camera ) of many Police officers pulling up outside the suspects house in Rotherham and then putting him into the back of a van.
    Can't see how the Sun would be able to show this without permission from the Police, which puzzles me.
    To be fair the Police have not hung about getting this done, after initially arresting a totally different guy the day before.
    Credit where it's due.
    not necessarily with permission
  • sam3110
    sam3110 Posts: 23,696
    It's The Sun, you reckon they ask anyone permission for anything?
  • CaptainRobbo
    CaptainRobbo Posts: 2,348
    edited July 14
    sam3110 said:
    It's The Sun, you reckon they ask anyone permission for anything?
    Has appeared all over the place, not just The Sun.
    Aappears to me that the Police wanted it to be seen.
    The Press still have to abide by contempt of court rules, to ensure no prejudice takes place before any future trial takes place.

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