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Tyler Bindon - Signs on Season Long Loan
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Watching the goal again there's a few things that could have been done better. Firstly I really do think Okonkwo can give a shout and come for that, there's no West Brom player near it but he's back-pedalling as it comes across. A bit of an insight into some of that uncertainty under the high ball that Wrexham fans pointed out. Regardless though it's a poor header out, far too much height on it and then once he realises it's gone up instead of away he needs to be sprinting out to close that shot because it's so obvious that's the only thing on Styles' mind. The jog up to him was not pleasing to see but I'm sure Jones will have ripped into him for that already. Beyond that though he's obviously a very good tackler and you can see that he's trying to do things when he gets the ball out of defence that retain possession rather than just hoofing it but they're a bit rash and they didn't come off much last night. I think he'll be a good signing, you can beat the decision-making into a defender but it's harder to make them strong and aggressive which he clearly is2
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I lurk the Championship subreddit sometimes and some absolute freak (I mean, it's the history of the Reddit) claiming to be a SUFC fan was blathering on about how he's the weakest centre-back they've ever seen. Okay yeah, stop lurking Reddit, Leuth4
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Same guy tried to tell me last season neither of their red cards should have been reds and Knibbs was " soft.Leuth said:I lurk the Championship subreddit sometimes and some absolute freak (I mean, it's the history of the Reddit) claiming to be a SUFC fan was blathering on about how he's the weakest centre-back they've ever seen. Okay yeah, stop lurking Reddit, Leuth5 -
Honestly, how do you and the other Charlton lot on there (who all seem pretty sound) put up with all those infant 40somethings bleating 'me want safety' and knocking up increasingly spurious xG-related alternate-universe Championship tables in their dork caves? Thanks for your service giving us a voice there and all but it looks like hellMarcusH26 said:
Same guy tried to tell me last season neither of their red cards should have been reds and Knibbs was " soft.Leuth said:I lurk the Championship subreddit sometimes and some absolute freak (I mean, it's the history of the Reddit) claiming to be a SUFC fan was blathering on about how he's the weakest centre-back they've ever seen. Okay yeah, stop lurking Reddit, Leuth4 -
Havelock is not much bigger than a village and would have been even smaller back in the day. Rutherford was born in Brightwater which is too small for a football team and not far from Tapawera Area School , whom a scores four goals against.Blackheathen said:
Indeed. And you might as well add in William Pickering who was a noted rocket scientist and who oversaw the early moon shots.jose said:Ernest Rutherford is arguably the greatest Kiwi of all.
Both Rutherford and Pickering went to the same primary school in Havelock, South Island, 30 years apart. There’s a memorial to both in Havelock.1 -
As far as emergency cb signings go really not a lot to complain about looked solid.0
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Garrymanilow said:Watching the goal again there's a few things that could have been done better. Firstly I really do think Okonkwo can give a shout and come for that, there's no West Brom player near it but he's back-pedalling as it comes across. A bit of an insight into some of that uncertainty under the high ball that Wrexham fans pointed out. Regardless though it's a poor header out, far too much height on it and then once he realises it's gone up instead of away he needs to be sprinting out to close that shot because it's so obvious that's the only thing on Styles' mind. The jog up to him was not pleasing to see but I'm sure Jones will have ripped into him for that already. Beyond that though he's obviously a very good tackler and you can see that he's trying to do things when he gets the ball out of defence that retain possession rather than just hoofing it but they're a bit rash and they didn't come off much last night. I think he'll be a good signing, you can beat the decision-making into a defender but it's harder to make them strong and aggressive which he clearly is
Surely there should be a midfielder on the edge of the box closing that down, shouldn't be leaving one of theirs in acres of space like that. The header maybe could have been better but it was to the edge of the box so I don't see the blame on Bindon for that.2 -
TC was on the edge and could have been closer but he also is stationed there to be part of a counter rather than to pick up a man and he's positioned between two WBA players. We've got Coventry marking a man at the near post, 4 players marking 4 of theirs directly and Jones and Bindon stood in the middle to clear the ball when the others block the runs. You could argue that with Leaburn at the near post Grant is a bit superfluous in front of him but regardless of how you set up the play evolves second by second and players have to react to what's in front of them. TC is coming across to try and rush the shot but Bindon is the one who could have smothered it if he got closer but didn't rush out enoughAthletico Charlton said:Garrymanilow said:Watching the goal again there's a few things that could have been done better. Firstly I really do think Okonkwo can give a shout and come for that, there's no West Brom player near it but he's back-pedalling as it comes across. A bit of an insight into some of that uncertainty under the high ball that Wrexham fans pointed out. Regardless though it's a poor header out, far too much height on it and then once he realises it's gone up instead of away he needs to be sprinting out to close that shot because it's so obvious that's the only thing on Styles' mind. The jog up to him was not pleasing to see but I'm sure Jones will have ripped into him for that already. Beyond that though he's obviously a very good tackler and you can see that he's trying to do things when he gets the ball out of defence that retain possession rather than just hoofing it but they're a bit rash and they didn't come off much last night. I think he'll be a good signing, you can beat the decision-making into a defender but it's harder to make them strong and aggressive which he clearly is
Surely there should be a midfielder on the edge of the box closing that down, shouldn't be leaving one of theirs in acres of space like that. The header maybe could have been better but it was to the edge of the box so I don't see the blame on Bindon for that.0 -
I think it’s just quite an unlucky goal to concede. It’s a brilliant strike, with that many bodies between the player and the goal it would usually be blocked or end up in the stands. Sometimes you just have to say fair play that was a great strike8
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Ultimately he did make a mistake yes but every player does, he just got punished for his in pretty spectacular fashion. Cest la vie.NabySarr said:I think it’s just quite an unlucky goal to concede. It’s a brilliant strike, with that many bodies between the player and the goal it would usually be blocked or end up in the stands. Sometimes you just have to say fair play that was a great strike
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Don’t think you can call a defender heading the ball out the box a mistake. Not that any individual should be blamed because it’s just a good goal but Okonkwo could have come for it or someone on the edge of the box could have been marking styles.thenewbie said:
Ultimately he did make a mistake yes but every player does, he just got punished for his in pretty spectacular fashion. Cest la vie.NabySarr said:I think it’s just quite an unlucky goal to concede. It’s a brilliant strike, with that many bodies between the player and the goal it would usually be blocked or end up in the stands. Sometimes you just have to say fair play that was a great strikeI can remember a ton of worse goals we’ve conceded that that2 -
I agree I’d have liked Arthur to come and claim that ball which was all of about three yards out but it seems that kind of goalkeeping is quite out of fashion these days. It’s down to central defenders to head it clear from there. Bindon did pretty well overall though a little ropey at times.0
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The mistake I meant was not reacting when it went up not out - but even then I fully admit its harsh of me to say so, as like I say every player has done something similar and 9 times out of 10 nothing comes of it.Crispywood said:
Don’t think you can call a defender heading the ball out the box a mistake. Not that any individual should be blamed because it’s just a good goal but Okonkwo could have come for it or someone on the edge of the box could have been marking styles.thenewbie said:
Ultimately he did make a mistake yes but every player does, he just got punished for his in pretty spectacular fashion. Cest la vie.NabySarr said:I think it’s just quite an unlucky goal to concede. It’s a brilliant strike, with that many bodies between the player and the goal it would usually be blocked or end up in the stands. Sometimes you just have to say fair play that was a great strikeI can remember a ton of worse goals we’ve conceded that that1 -
Seen a few down comments in Bindon.
I think the main issue is he is obviously uncomfortable distributing from the left centre back position.
Hes replacing Koumetio but as a right footed player he’s clearly not fully comfortable. Hes ideally cover for Jones when Big Billy gets back.
He’s got presence in the air that much is true - and it’s in the right of the central two where he hit top form for Sheff Utd
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Agree LCB isn’t ideal, but he’s definitely better than Jones would be on the ball there
I think the biggest issue is he’s barely had any time on the training pitch with his new teammates, he’s just been chucked straight into a relentless period of games. Add to that the back 4 is changing due to injuries and suspensions and swapping from a 4 to a 3 during every game he’s played. Must be a nightmare for him to settle intoI’m actually impressed he hasn’t looked a lot worse given the circumstances9 -
Would also point out in his good run with Sheffield United, he was playing at LCB with Tanganga next to him on the rightDamoNorthStand said:Seen a few down comments in Bindon.
I think the main issue is he is obviously uncomfortable distributing from the left centre back position.
Hes replacing Koumetio but as a right footed player he’s clearly not fully comfortable. Hes ideally cover for Jones when Big Billy gets back.
He’s got presence in the air that much is true - and it’s in the right of the central two where he hit top form for Sheff Utd0 -
He looks a little bit lost at the moment - I’m not sure if that’s being thrown straight into a new system, still needing some match fitness or not playing in his natural position (or all of the above). However he comes with a track record at the back end of his loan with Sheffield Utd that suggests he should be an asset for us.Whatever the issue is, we need him to figure it out soon because we can’t be carrying players in such an important position.1
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I'm less worried about him than I have been with others because I can definitely see a decent player in there. I think he's just adapting, he hasn't quite figured out how to manage his distribution yet and it looks a bit like nerves; he's trying to do these cute little passes but he's not putting enough on them and it's like he's torn between a natural instinct to play out and a fear of getting it wrong. The problem is that's landing him somewhere in-between where he's sending half-hearted chips out to Bell or trying to take on an attacker without conviction and getting his pocket picked. Sometimes he puts in some proper challenges, I think he just has to get his decision-making figured out.
He actually kind of reminds me of Lloyd Jones in his first season, we signed him as this ball-playing centre back who could bring it out from the back but we got this kind of panicky version where he'd rush in at the wrong times, try and play out at the wrong times and get his positioning all wrong. Nathan Jones sorted that out for him by getting him to simplify and focus on judging the moments to go and stay, I think a bit more time with Bindon and we'll see the same.9 -
A good defender, but a poor footballer. From what I’ve seen so far, he lacks composure. He looks unsettled. Hopefully, things will improve with time. He’s joined a team where he’s expected to perform right awaywhich is very difficult and against strong sides, too. Great backup to Lloyd Jones though but faces tough competition for the LCB position.1
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He's fine.Don't know why he received all the plaudits he did based on the games I've seen. Not someone to blame for anything but doesn't stand out positively either.1
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Any defender under the kind of pressure we invite with the opposition having 75% of possession is going to make mistakes. Mesik made a howler in the first half when he passed the ball to an opponent on the edge of our box - two clearances in the first 10 minutes were as bad as Oumas on Saturday but weren’t punished.Some supporters seem to absolutely revel in misery and slagging/writing our players off, I really don’t get it. Why be so quick to write off a player as rubbish or useless? It seems once they form that opinion, they love nothing more than telling everybody else about it.I am backing Bindon to settle in and continue to contribute to the excellent defensive performances we saw at West Brom and yesterday - Stoke was a blip, and I am still convinced that if the referee hadn’t awarded that penalty and throw us under the bus, we would’ve frustrated Stoke much further into that match.2
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Bindon’s biggest downfall has been playing in the same position as Jones, Koumetio and even Bell. Bindon has played well but when he’s going to be compared to our other ridiculous options he’s not going to look as good.Considering he was an emergency overnight signing though and will likely be cover when people are fit I really don’t think we could have asked for anything more1
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He had a slow start at Sheff Utd but went on to do well. He’s out of position but still been solid. If he is classed as a worry then it really shows how far we’ve come!1
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Looks a bit shaky to me, but only a couple of games in. Hopefully he improves.0
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He had a poor game yesterday, but pretty confident will come good... Has looked quality for reading and Sheff utd0
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I think its fairer to compare him to Gillesphey, as thats the position he has taken in the squad, so for me its an improvement from last season. More to come from him too for sure.1
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He will be excellent by the end of the season I have no doubt about that.
As mentioned by others, I doubt he’s barely had an opportunity to train and learn how we play as a unit yet, because it’s been so brutal with the scheduling since he arrived. Maybe one or two sessions at most.4 -
How many centre backs have we had that were genuinely good on the ball ? In my time , I can think of Andy Todd, El Karkouri, Bougherra , Ben Haim, Gomez, Konsa. I’m sure there are more but there aren’t stacks more .AddickNL88 said:A good defender, but a poor footballer. From what I’ve seen so far, he lacks composure. He looks unsettled. Hopefully, things will improve with time. He’s joined a team where he’s expected to perform right awaywhich is very difficult and against strong sides, too. Great backup to Lloyd Jones though but faces tough competition for the LCB position.0 -
I have no concerns regarding Bindon, had been here 9 days and completed 3 full games, 2 away on bounce and 1 back at ours, his first first team football this season, because of turn around of matches he's prob only trained 3/4 sessions with us. After we've got this mini break with internationals out the way he'll have a much better understanding of our play and team mates.4
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Of the current selection, Bell is probably the best "ball playing" CB we have (at his best) and Koumetio is more skilful than he looks. Maybe not to the same level of the above but we do have a couple of more technical defenders... when they are fit.wmcf123 said:
How many centre backs have we had that were genuinely good on the ball ? In my time , I can think of Andy Todd, El Karkouri, Bougherra , Ben Haim, Gomez, Konsa. I’m sure there are more but there aren’t stacks more .AddickNL88 said:A good defender, but a poor footballer. From what I’ve seen so far, he lacks composure. He looks unsettled. Hopefully, things will improve with time. He’s joined a team where he’s expected to perform right awaywhich is very difficult and against strong sides, too. Great backup to Lloyd Jones though but faces tough competition for the LCB position.1
