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‘Be Ready’ campaign - just in case
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Get yourself a portable power station, basically a large power bank, which can supply 240v, can be charged various way, from the mains, solar or car battery.0
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I've used these a few times, we tend to go for them instead of petrol generators when people moan that we don't have silent settings on our power tools (think breakers, disc cutters etc) they aren't cheap, certainly not for decent reliable ones and I've noticed there are less of them in the lock up than were 6 months ago. They will be useful to remain stealthy, petrol generators will give away your location to scavengers in no timeguinnessaddick said:Get yourself a portable power station, basically a large power bank, which can supply 240v, can be charged various way, from the mains, solar or car battery.0 -
Lincsaddick said:Don't forget the mini camp/gas stove. No good having soup, beans, water, tea, coffee, rice pudding etc etc if you can't warm them up, unless you like cold tinned food in the winter after civilisation breaks down, or at best if water, gas and electricity supplies are temporarily halted
If civilisation breaks down, you may need slightly more than 3 days worth of supplies.2 -
guinnessaddick said:Get yourself a portable power station, basically a large power bank, which can supply 240v, can be charged various way, from the mains, solar or car battery.
Just had a look at these - brilliant, I need one!1 -
a recommendation from a few years ago:
when it comes put your head between your buttocks and kiss your arse goodbye3 -
If anyone else watched that recent Apocalypse tv programme recently it served as a useful reminder of just how selfish, thoughtless and stupid people can be. Two groups of 7/8 people dropped into a post-apocalyptic environment and told to get on with it for a month.
I know a lot will be in the edit and the 'casting', but blimey, within 24‐48 hours they were stealing each other's food, not sharing within their own group, trying to swap groups and wandering around with bats threatening to put the other groups windows through in the freezing cold. It carried on like that right the way through really.
Not one of them considered pooling their resources or skills for everyone's benefit. If that was a representative cross section of society (I hope not) we are royally screwed in the event of a real event!0 -
...also, in the event of a real apocalypse, I learned that "content creators" or similar are immediately expendable and should be first up in the stew.2
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I think Covid is a better example, with idiots buying baskets of toilet roll/rice/oil etc and shops being absolute carnage. Also masks being sold at incredible mark ups on ebay etc.Bournemouth Addick said:If anyone else watched that recent Apocalypse tv programme recently it served as a useful reminder of just how selfish, thoughtless and stupid people can be. Two groups of 7/8 people dropped into a post-apocalyptic environment and told to get on with it for a month.
I know a lot will be in the edit and the 'casting', but blimey, within 24‐48 hours they were stealing each other's food, not sharing within their own group, trying to swap groups and wandering around with bats threatening to put the other groups windows through in the freezing cold. It carried on like that right the way through really.
Not one of them considered pooling their resources or skills for everyone's benefit. If that was a representative cross section of society (I hope not) we are royally screwed in the event of a real event!7 -
Sadly everyone would be out for themselves….but isn’t that the way of the world right now as well ! Greed and power the driving forceBournemouth Addick said:If anyone else watched that recent Apocalypse tv programme recently it served as a useful reminder of just how selfish, thoughtless and stupid people can be. Two groups of 7/8 people dropped into a post-apocalyptic environment and told to get on with it for a month.
I know a lot will be in the edit and the 'casting', but blimey, within 24‐48 hours they were stealing each other's food, not sharing within their own group, trying to swap groups and wandering around with bats threatening to put the other groups windows through in the freezing cold. It carried on like that right the way through really.
Not one of them considered pooling their resources or skills for everyone's benefit. If that was a representative cross section of society (I hope not) we are royally screwed in the event of a real event!3 -
Very true, there's no doubt half of society lost their marbles and that period did bring out the very worst in some people. It spawned a lot of the attention seeking wallys (being kind) who are now invested in all sorts of conspiracy bullshit, like the antivaxxers, the Magna Carta spouting light benders and more recently the bellends who've monitised sticking a camera in some coppers face in the hope of a provoking a response.shine166 said:
I think Covid is a better example, with idiots buying baskets of toilet roll/rice/oil etc and shops being absolute carnage. Also masks being sold at incredible mark ups on ebay etc.Bournemouth Addick said:If anyone else watched that recent Apocalypse tv programme recently it served as a useful reminder of just how selfish, thoughtless and stupid people can be. Two groups of 7/8 people dropped into a post-apocalyptic environment and told to get on with it for a month.
I know a lot will be in the edit and the 'casting', but blimey, within 24‐48 hours they were stealing each other's food, not sharing within their own group, trying to swap groups and wandering around with bats threatening to put the other groups windows through in the freezing cold. It carried on like that right the way through really.
Not one of them considered pooling their resources or skills for everyone's benefit. If that was a representative cross section of society (I hope not) we are royally screwed in the event of a real event!
I'm arguing against myself a bit though, as there was also a huge community response at the same time, with neighbours looking out for one another, etc. I guess we should all hope that there's more of the second type of behaviour than the first I suppose.9 -
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Would solve another issue for @cantersaddick 🤷🏻♂️PrincessFiona said:
I do hope we don't have to resort to eat our neighbours, roasted or otherwiseAlwaysneil said:
Mmm, i think i have:aliwibble said:
One obvious thing, is that if the power goes out, there's no point having food that requires cooking if you've only got a microwave, an air fryer or an electric oven. However, if you've got a gas oven or hob, you may still be out of luck, depending on whether the ignition circuit runs off the mains, a battery or a piezoelectric thingy. It's worth finding out before you're scrabbling around in the dark trying to get the damn thing to light while dealing with hangry family members.aliwibble said:
If we veer off into that stuff, it would be. Discussion of useful essentials, helpful hints and possible pitfalls is fine.iainment said:
Because it’s connected to climate change, the situation in Palestine, the war in Iran and the war in Ukraine. All of which have been caused by political decisions about the environment, fossil fuels, the rights of Palestinians and national autonomy in Ukraine.Miserableoldgit said:
How so ?iainment said:But, isn’t this political?
1 - gas barbecue in the garden, fairly full of gas
2. - open fire in the front room, not often used but 2 bags coal and a weeks worth of logs
3 - barbecue and fire pit in the campervan, 2 bags charcoal
4 - campervan has 2 gas hobs, gas oven and spare bottle gas
5 - campervan also has trangia meths stove and bottle meths.
6 - have a gas hob in the house
So i'll probably have run out of cookable food and need to be roasting the neighbours before we run out of hot food.11 -
Rate my plate could get interesting this year
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Going to wait a couple of months as people are panic buying at the moment, but got quite a few power banks and if it looks like something is imminent, I'll shell out for a solar powered battery which would be a stable-ish supply of power.
I'm of the view that 3 days definitely isn't enough, and that if it does last more than 3 days all bets are off anyway and people are going to start going absolutely nuts.
I also don't believe things like nuclear war is why we are being advised to do this, it's pointless preparing for that if you live in the south east, maybe in the north where there's nothing worth bombing. I think we are moving towards the end of conventional wars between developed nations and instead will be moving towards things that destroy society/economies.
Got water purifying tablets, second water drops off will use them to purify the water in the loft water tank (will fill baths and sinks etc if we get advanced warning, which I doubt).
Going to get a load of tinned food etc, and buy a small burner I can attach to the BBQ gas canister, radio with batteries as well probably.
Will get enough stuff to last 20-30 days. The breakdown of society will be the biggest danger in my opinion, now more than ever.
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There’s probably a good parallel between having Oliver Skipp and Conor Coventry in midfield and stock piling tinned food. Personally, I can see the value in having them around in an emergency, but you’d dread the day you have to open them and live off them for the foreseeable9
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why are so many trying to get to the UK then?usetobunkin said:I doubt Sub Saharan Africa would notice if the World went to war.Most of the people live on less then $10 a day.
Seem to be happier than us living in a techno paradise.2 -
Surely this is what Uber Eats is for?2
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Not so sure, sounds like his neighbour might be a bit bitter.TelMc32 said:
Would solve another issue for @cantersaddick 🤷🏻♂️PrincessFiona said:
I do hope we don't have to resort to eat our neighbours, roasted or otherwiseAlwaysneil said:
Mmm, i think i have:aliwibble said:
One obvious thing, is that if the power goes out, there's no point having food that requires cooking if you've only got a microwave, an air fryer or an electric oven. However, if you've got a gas oven or hob, you may still be out of luck, depending on whether the ignition circuit runs off the mains, a battery or a piezoelectric thingy. It's worth finding out before you're scrabbling around in the dark trying to get the damn thing to light while dealing with hangry family members.aliwibble said:
If we veer off into that stuff, it would be. Discussion of useful essentials, helpful hints and possible pitfalls is fine.iainment said:
Because it’s connected to climate change, the situation in Palestine, the war in Iran and the war in Ukraine. All of which have been caused by political decisions about the environment, fossil fuels, the rights of Palestinians and national autonomy in Ukraine.Miserableoldgit said:
How so ?iainment said:But, isn’t this political?
1 - gas barbecue in the garden, fairly full of gas
2. - open fire in the front room, not often used but 2 bags coal and a weeks worth of logs
3 - barbecue and fire pit in the campervan, 2 bags charcoal
4 - campervan has 2 gas hobs, gas oven and spare bottle gas
5 - campervan also has trangia meths stove and bottle meths.
6 - have a gas hob in the house
So i'll probably have run out of cookable food and need to be roasting the neighbours before we run out of hot food.1 -
Just saw one for £1400.00bobmunro said:guinnessaddick said:Get yourself a portable power station, basically a large power bank, which can supply 240v, can be charged various way, from the mains, solar or car battery.
Just had a look at these - brilliant, I need one!
It would power a 1.8kw load for an hour.
A lot of money for little reward.
Could buy a petrol gen set that could give you a far greater output and not have a time restraint for a fraction of that price.0 -
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Just saw one for £1400.00bobmunro said:guinnessaddick said:Get yourself a portable power station, basically a large power bank, which can supply 240v, can be charged various way, from the mains, solar or car battery.
Just had a look at these - brilliant, I need one!
It would power a 1.8kw load for an hour.
A lot of money for little reward.
Could buy a petrol gen set that could give you a far greater output and not have a time restraint for a fraction of that price.They are not going to run a home, of course, but I've seen 3.0kw ones for about that money with solar panels for recharge. They will keep the lights on and phones charged in the event of a lengthy power outage, which is about all you could hope for.Yiou can get 'stacking' ones that can go up to 12kw but then you are talking many thousands.A 3kw one, with half a garage full of tinned and dried food, bottled water and long life milk, and the other half filled with logs, kindling and fire lighters plus a couple of big gas bottles and all in one BBQ briquets and we could last for weeks!1 -
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I’d recommend keeping fuel topped up in your car. Worst case scenario you could keep your phone/ipad charged up0
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I've joined in and ordered a wind up radio. I didn't think I would but...My main worry would be keeping enough water for the hens. I could store some in old plastic dustbins I guess.Any thoughts on water purification systems?0
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PrincessFiona said:
why are so many trying to get to the UK then?usetobunkin said:I doubt Sub Saharan Africa would notice if the World went to war.Most of the people live on less then $10 a day.
Seem to be happier than us living in a techno paradise.I don't know much about what life is like in Sub-Saharan Africa, or how happy people are there.I also don't know why people might choose to move from Sub-Sahran Africa to the UK. People are complicated and everyone's situation is different, so I imagine the motives of people making that move are varied and complex.I think I can answer the 'so many' part, though, because the answer there is that they aren't. The population of Sub-Sahran Africa is around about 1.3 billion. It's hard to find data for exactly how many people arrived in the UK from Sub-Sahran Africa last year (rather than a specific country), but it's maybe around 130,000. Or, to put it another way, about 0.01% of the population of Sub-Sahran Africa.To put that in a football context - as we're so often told this is a football forum, not a political one - about 0.01% of the population of England are professional footballers at all levels across the men's and women's games. If you were to ask the question, "Why are so many people in England professional footballers?" I think most people would reject the premise of the question, because in reality very few people in England are professional footballers.So to answer your original question - they aren't; very few people in Sub-Saharan Africa are trying to get to the UK.3 -
'So many' doesn't have to be a high percentage of the total population - so my comment is still correct. With over 10 years Immigration experience (in the UK and overseas, including in Africa), I am very well aware of the issues 'so many' cause and the cost to and impact on the UK. But I am not going to waste any time discussing those with someone who clearly has no idea of the impact of 'so many'Gillis said:PrincessFiona said:
why are so many trying to get to the UK then?usetobunkin said:I doubt Sub Saharan Africa would notice if the World went to war.Most of the people live on less then $10 a day.
Seem to be happier than us living in a techno paradise.I don't know much about what life is like in Sub-Saharan Africa, or how happy people are there.I also don't know why people might choose to move from Sub-Sahran Africa to the UK. People are complicated and everyone's situation is different, so I imagine the motives of people making that move are varied and complex.I think I can answer the 'so many' part, though, because the answer there is that they aren't. The population of Sub-Sahran Africa is around about 1.3 billion. It's hard to find data for exactly how many people arrived in the UK from Sub-Sahran Africa last year (rather than a specific country), but it's maybe around 130,000. Or, to put it another way, about 0.01% of the population of Sub-Sahran Africa.To put that in a football context - as we're so often told this is a football forum, not a political one - about 0.01% of the population of England are professional footballers at all levels across the men's and women's games. If you were to ask the question, "Why are so many people in England professional footballers?" I think most people would reject the premise of the question, because in reality very few people in England are professional footballers.So to answer your original question - they aren't; very few people in Sub-Saharan Africa are trying to get to the UK.7 -
I've obviously looked into this and you can use iodine same as we would for purifying water. The dosage is much less. So we have numerous containers dotted about to collect water. Not a long term solution but hopefully it wouldn't need to be.Arsenetatters said:I've joined in and ordered a wind up radio. I didn't think I would but...My main worry would be keeping enough water for the hens. I could store some in old plastic dustbins I guess.Any thoughts on water purification systems?
Luckily it rains so much here that the water would stay fresher longer than where you are.2 -
Why is a wind up radio the most important important thing?If we enter an apocalyptic situation we aren't going to need three days of supplies we're going to have to learn a whole new way to survive, so i'm not sure hoarding supplies will do much more than delay a slow painful death, but we are used to that every Saturday ay 3pm hey?1
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I've not said anything about the impact of migration from Sub-Sahran Africa to the UK, so I'm not sure how you've gauged my knowledge, or lack thereof, on the issue. The post of yours I was replying to also didn't reference the impact of it, so it feels like you've shifted the goal posts somewhat (a bit more football there).PrincessFiona said:
'So many' doesn't have to be a high percentage of the total population - so my comment is still correct. With over 10 years Immigration experience (in the UK and overseas, including in Africa), I am very well aware of the issues 'so many' cause and the cost to and impact on the UK. But I am not going to waste any time discussing those with someone who clearly has no idea of the impact of 'so many'Gillis said:PrincessFiona said:
why are so many trying to get to the UK then?usetobunkin said:I doubt Sub Saharan Africa would notice if the World went to war.Most of the people live on less then $10 a day.
Seem to be happier than us living in a techno paradise.I don't know much about what life is like in Sub-Saharan Africa, or how happy people are there.I also don't know why people might choose to move from Sub-Sahran Africa to the UK. People are complicated and everyone's situation is different, so I imagine the motives of people making that move are varied and complex.I think I can answer the 'so many' part, though, because the answer there is that they aren't. The population of Sub-Sahran Africa is around about 1.3 billion. It's hard to find data for exactly how many people arrived in the UK from Sub-Sahran Africa last year (rather than a specific country), but it's maybe around 130,000. Or, to put it another way, about 0.01% of the population of Sub-Sahran Africa.To put that in a football context - as we're so often told this is a football forum, not a political one - about 0.01% of the population of England are professional footballers at all levels across the men's and women's games. If you were to ask the question, "Why are so many people in England professional footballers?" I think most people would reject the premise of the question, because in reality very few people in England are professional footballers.So to answer your original question - they aren't; very few people in Sub-Saharan Africa are trying to get to the UK.
usetobunkin said that people in Sub-Saharan Africa seem to be happier than us - maybe they are, maybe they aren't; I don't know, and I expect it's a very difficult thing to measure - and you responded by asking why so many people are trying to get to the UK in that case. I took that as you refuting usetobunkin's suggestion that people in Sub-Saharan Africa are happier than people here, the evidence being that so many people there are trying to get here. Maybe that isn't what you meant, but I can't see any other logical way of reading it. My point was that very few people from Sub-Sahran Africa are trying to get to the UK, so it doesn't really tell us much about whether people there are happier or not.
But you've told me you're right and you're not going to discuss it further due to my apparent ignorance. It's a shame that so much discourse is like this now: make a comment, make no concessions and refuse to discuss it further. It seems that discussing, listening, trying to understand different points of view - even sharing expertise - is old-fashioned now. Apologies for wasting your time.4 -
So that the authorities can tell you what is happening and what they want you to do.EugenesAxe said:Why is a wind up radio the most important important thing?If we enter an apocalyptic situation we aren't going to need three days of supplies we're going to have to learn a whole new way to survive, so i'm not sure hoarding supplies will do much more than delay a slow painful death, but we are used to that every Saturday ay 3pm hey?
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I'd agree about the car but if the power is out then you may well not have a mobile signal.DaveMehmet said:I’d recommend keeping fuel topped up in your car. Worst case scenario you could keep your phone/ipad charged up
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I read an interesting article the other day that says modern cars have a 60kw battery. That’s a huge amount of storage. It was in a self-build magazine article about how solar (which if you’re lucky charges up 10-20kw) could integrate a household supply. The supposition was that potentially you could charge up the car battery overnight on a cheap tariff then send power from it round the house during daytime.
Makes loads of sense, of course, until you realise the power companies don’t like that idea.3
