ok ok ok 90% of this money never ever existed in real cash , yet its our real cash that has to pay for it or your house or your business. It was one bank covering anothers debt / loan etc.
[cite]Posted By: kinveachyaddick[/cite]don't agree with it myself
if you were greedy and fell for the unrealistic 7% interest these Icelandic banks were offering and you got your fingers burnt then I don't see why we should have to bail them out
they knew the risks - or they should have researched them properly before shifting their cash over there
I agree. Those who moved their money to the Icelandic banks did so when banks everywhere were going. Did it not occur that those banks could - and in all probability would - go the same way? Little sympathy here.
It may be galling to see people who took advantage of a high interest rate but with higher reward comes a higher risk but the average person who deposited their money in the Icelandic banking system would have been unaware of the completely hidden systemic risk which had been built up in the system. Wise after the event is what some people are trying to say. Most of those who potentially lost all their money were just people like you and me, trying to save for their retirement. I think the Chancellor has done the right thing and it, of course, sends a confidence message to investors in UK banks i.e "your money is safe because we'll even bailout investors in non UK Banks".
So if the money was kept over here in any of the banks that have big probs it would be different??
The point i am trying to make is bar keeping money in your matress
any savings you have anywhere at risk because the bank you chose to keep it in so that if you do get burgled (instead of burglar bill finding your hard earned) you deem it safe in the bank, you dont put it in there thinking it is a risk surely. I keep all my money in the bank one for paying bills and the other for savings if i get to the 50K mark i should then remove it and put it where maybe a safe deposit box or my pillow
There should be no way on earth anyone who has put their money in a bank should not be allowed to get taht money back before any creditors get what they are waiting for
I hope none of those on the morale high ground ever have anything bad like this happen to them as you may just fiond yourself not feeling so smug
NLA, i get what you're saying, and i really do feel for your friends. No one deserves money they have worked for to be lost.
BUT, if they put like you said an extremely high amount solely in what is an online Icelandic bank with little global presence, just to chase a a few more basis points, then they were either pretty naive, or very ill-advised.
They had their money spread mate they seem to have done very well for themselves but 60% of their cash was placed in there and had only just been done under the advice from their accountant or financial guy
i just hate people spouting out the tough titty line
there for the grace of god go i, is how i think people should look on any indviduals suffering if it was big corperates then i could understand the points, but even then there is real chance of individuals like some who post on here and have already loosing their jobs and the consequences that has on normal families
Particularly after the Northern Rock debacle, they should have learned that you don't put all your eggs in one basket. Banks are safer than your mattress, but they aren't totally safe. You may not get as high an interest rate by having up to 50k each in lots of different accounts with different banks, but if something like this happens it means you're not sweating on getting your money back.
the issue for me is the fukas that caused this will all be financially stable it is others who will suffer it, the small business guys who will suffer,
One thing it has done for me is made me turn down the Job offer i had just because it didnt seem advisable to move on in times like this, atleast i know i am in a safe Job and i can pay my mortgage,
[cite]Posted By: LenGlover[/cite]To be fair though can anybody put their hand on their heart and say that they predicted this carnage?
It is very easy to be wise after the event.
Thats the best post on here Len. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Who could have ever imagined that giant banks like RBS and HBOS would be in the shit.
I thought about going with that Ice Saver, but read advice saying only go in up until the guarantee amount (which at the time was 35k) because they have what was described as some odd practices. I decided to give it a swerve all round. If a deal is too good to be true, it probably is. In fact C4 news was covering the very subject last night with someone who was annoyed at having taken their advice to invest in that very account (despite their advice specifically mentioning the 35k. It's a tough break but it's just risk versus reward. If you're happy to take the high interest then you must take the contingent risk.
This uneccessary bailout is a joke. If you choose to chase returns and deal with a foreign bank and a foreign government guarantee good luck to you. If it all goes wrong i feel bad for you but wtf has it got to do with the rest of us British taxpayerers. Anyone who's got burnt should be sueing the icelandic government not expecting the rest of us to bail them out. Stupidity seems to have become a get out of jail free card.
My view is this credit crash/crunch is about 6 years overdue anyway. It's got not so much to do with sub-prime mortgages as it has individuals with no solid saleable assets (cars, houses etc) being allowed to run up thousands and thousands of pounds debt that they will never pay off in a century.
You know the sorts, that live with mum & dad, maybe don't drive, and live beyond their means. Wages of a binman lifestyle of a popstar.
As well as this the government, this financially astute government made it piss easy for anyone in such a situation to declare themsleves bankrupt and not have to pay credit firms, HPI's and various other loans back. Add all those 10, 20ks up and theres your black hole in a false economy.
I can think of at least 3 people of the top of my head that have done that. It has been made so easy for people to get credit and lots of it that the responsibility you used to have to prove you had was deemed unnecessary.
And these pissing banks who have had over a decade of raking in billions and billions in profit should of taken a shite site more care of it, and that applies to the poxy government too, I weigh out (as I'm sure a lot of us do) a huge unfair amount in tax that goes to those self serving shits each month just in income tax not to mention everything else that is taxed AND the council tax that seems to exist only to pay binmen to make a mess of the green outside my house once a week. Where has that money gone? Robbing, lying corrupt bastards every single last one of them they need shooting and public floggng for allowing this to happen. Self serving pigs.
I'm going out to get binge drunk and slap a hoodie
Carter this should chear you up then fella. Just seen something on sky thats said 100% sure taxes will have to go up to fund this rescue of the banks.
Nice ----- they make money record profits u pay higher charges and fees Nice ---- they loose mega money we pay in higher taxes.
The guys who stole £50 million hunted all over the World. The guys who lost £50 BILLION siting on a beach in the cayman islands laughing. The guys who stole £50 million will get 30 years when caught. The guys who lost £50BILLION will never face a single charge. The guys who stole £50 million f**ked up possibly 20 lives. The guys who lost £50 billion f**ked up millions of lives.
it aint about hindsite is it ? its about people speculating and continue to speculate with no regulation on what , how they were doing it .FSA bollox. It wasnt real money but people will now have to pay real money to pay off banks "toxic debt" which was only inter bank phantom cash.
Every Exec in a bank should be made to pay back in cash or assets everything they have above the value of 1 million $ in total assets. For a start that aprox $700 million from Lehmans Brothers.
GH I was talking about hindsight in respect of those who put their savings into IceBank. Nobody that far removed from the financial shananigans of hedge funds and bundled sub-prime debt, would have had an inkling that the whole banking system was likely to crumble and take down in it's wake, the Icelandic economy. To that extent I sympathise with those depositors and in consequence, I agree with the Govt's action, albeit through an element of gritted teeth.
Every Exec in a bank should be made to pay back in cash or assets everything they have above the value of 1 million $ in total assets. For a start that aprox $700 million from Lehmans Brothers.[/quote]
Wouldn't that bankrupt Charlton? Quite a lot of our money for the good years has been coming from our 3 ex investment bank managing directors.
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The point i am trying to make is bar keeping money in your matress
any savings you have anywhere at risk because the bank you chose to keep it in so that if you do get burgled (instead of burglar bill finding your hard earned) you deem it safe in the bank, you dont put it in there thinking it is a risk surely. I keep all my money in the bank one for paying bills and the other for savings if i get to the 50K mark i should then remove it and put it where maybe a safe deposit box or my pillow
There should be no way on earth anyone who has put their money in a bank should not be allowed to get taht money back before any creditors get what they are waiting for
I hope none of those on the morale high ground ever have anything bad like this happen to them as you may just fiond yourself not feeling so smug
BUT, if they put like you said an extremely high amount solely in what is an online Icelandic bank with little global presence, just to chase a a few more basis points, then they were either pretty naive, or very ill-advised.
i just hate people spouting out the tough titty line
there for the grace of god go i, is how i think people should look on any indviduals suffering if it was big corperates then i could understand the points, but even then there is real chance of individuals like some who post on here and have already loosing their jobs and the consequences that has on normal families
It is very easy to be wise after the event.
Thats the best post on here Len. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Who could have ever imagined that giant banks like RBS and HBOS would be in the shit.
the issue for me is the fukas that caused this will all be financially stable it is others who will suffer it, the small business guys who will suffer,
One thing it has done for me is made me turn down the Job offer i had just because it didnt seem advisable to move on in times like this, atleast i know i am in a safe Job and i can pay my mortgage,
I thought about going with that Ice Saver, but read advice saying only go in up until the guarantee amount (which at the time was 35k) because they have what was described as some odd practices. I decided to give it a swerve all round. If a deal is too good to be true, it probably is. In fact C4 news was covering the very subject last night with someone who was annoyed at having taken their advice to invest in that very account (despite their advice specifically mentioning the 35k. It's a tough break but it's just risk versus reward. If you're happy to take the high interest then you must take the contingent risk.
Hang on...
You know the sorts, that live with mum & dad, maybe don't drive, and live beyond their means. Wages of a binman lifestyle of a popstar.
As well as this the government, this financially astute government made it piss easy for anyone in such a situation to declare themsleves bankrupt and not have to pay credit firms, HPI's and various other loans back. Add all those 10, 20ks up and theres your black hole in a false economy.
I can think of at least 3 people of the top of my head that have done that. It has been made so easy for people to get credit and lots of it that the responsibility you used to have to prove you had was deemed unnecessary.
And these pissing banks who have had over a decade of raking in billions and billions in profit should of taken a shite site more care of it, and that applies to the poxy government too, I weigh out (as I'm sure a lot of us do) a huge unfair amount in tax that goes to those self serving shits each month just in income tax not to mention everything else that is taxed AND the council tax that seems to exist only to pay binmen to make a mess of the green outside my house once a week. Where has that money gone? Robbing, lying corrupt bastards every single last one of them they need shooting and public floggng for allowing this to happen. Self serving pigs.
I'm going out to get binge drunk and slap a hoodie
Nice ----- they make money record profits u pay higher charges and fees
Nice ---- they loose mega money we pay in higher taxes.
The guys who stole £50 million hunted all over the World. The guys who lost £50 BILLION siting on a beach in the cayman islands laughing. The guys who stole £50 million will get 30 years when caught. The guys who lost £50BILLION will never face a single charge. The guys who stole £50 million f**ked up possibly 20 lives. The guys who lost £50 billion f**ked up millions of lives.
I agree with SA and LG. Hindsights a wonderful thing.
Every Exec in a bank should be made to pay back in cash or assets everything they have above the value of 1 million $ in total assets. For a start that aprox $700 million from Lehmans Brothers.
I want my £35.75 back.
Every Exec in a bank should be made to pay back in cash or assets everything they have above the value of 1 million $ in total assets. For a start that aprox $700 million from Lehmans Brothers.[/quote]
Wouldn't that bankrupt Charlton? Quite a lot of our money for the good years has been coming from our 3 ex investment bank managing directors.