[cite]Posted By: SE9[/cite]Would vote BNP if not Conservatives. Any party including the ones I have mentioned will never keep all the promises they say they will any way. Do get fed up with all the same old stories about BNP being Nazis ect. I know plenty of people who vote Labour who hold racial veiws but we dont start saying people who vote for them are Nazis.
People, even racists, can vote for whoever they want. The BNP have a racist constitution, it is their essence of being.
its funny, reading on here it sounds like allot of people say the same things about Labour as they do about the Conservatives.
Too much spin, too inexperienced etc.
My problem is that they all seem to be career politicians now. None of them have woked in industry or are have been lawyers etc.
who would i vote for? the Greens, just cos i think they are all a pile of dung and at least the greens seem like nice people..
[quote][cite]Posted By: InspectorSands[/cite]Green, because we need to sort our act out in that regard, or we might as well pack it all in now.
SE9 - read up on[url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/jul/20/otherparties.thefarright]John Tyndall[/url], the BNP's founder. A braver generation than us fought against people with his views.[/quote]
Dont agree with everything the BNP say but do agree with them more than the other party's.
Well, SE9, come over to the nice side. The Greens don't beat up people. Except when they nick our tofu. The bastards.
[cite]Posted By: Ketman[/cite]Anyone other than the current Mob who ****** Useless !
I was in New York on the night Barack Obama got in - the obvious issues aside, the sense of optimism and belief that yes, ordinary people could change things (even though NYC always votes Democrat in prez elections) was incredible. I compared that with the miserable mayoral election we endured in London (fought on both sides as a largely negative battle) and it was embarrassing. It's a tragedy we've lost that sense that we can change things, or even that we're being listened to, and that's what leads to the rise of nasty bastards like the BNP. BDL's right on changing the system.
I am with BDL on proportional representation. No government in recent times has commanded a majority of the popular vote. Even landslide victories have been achieved at just over 40% of the popular vote. This has to be wrong and we get result not reflective of all shades of opinion.
What we get is hundreds of contituencies which don't count because they aren't swing seat marginals. The parties concentrate their efforts on the marginals. The number of electorate that really count are swing voters in marginals, thats almost certainly less than 1M people out of a total electorate of 40M plus.. This is crazy. I live in a safe Tory seat, Labour and the Lib Dems slug it out as to who comes a distant 2nd. So if I vote LD, it makes no difference to whether the LD increase their number of seats.
If we want people more to engage in the political process, then ensuring that everybodies vote counts is essential.
Was always a "Leftie/Labour" man until the "NEW Labour/old Tory" party came along. Don't think I could ever vote Tory/N.Labour/Liberial. If had to vote would probably go Green in General Election and Socialist in the Locals.
What really pisses me off are people like adamtheaddick 'Labour, always have been and always will be' or ,all my life my dad's voted Labour and so have I. I wish these people could look at the big picture and make the appropriate vote at the appropriate time. In my life I have voted for all the main parties and much to my shame I voted Labour in '97 and as soon as mugger Brown robbed and ruined the pension scheme I regreted it. The bastard ruined a thriving pension scheme then has the cheek to tell us we have to work extra years because there's not enough money in the pot. Over the years there have been at least three 'black holes' in his finances and all he can do is load us with more and more taxes to get the money back. I hate this government with a passion. I just can't understand how anyone could think of putting them back in. Still they can count on the 'Labour, always have been,always will be' brigade.
When red became blue, hope denied
Our dreams swept away with the tide
So get out the way
People want to work
Not fester in the dirt
We all want to work
I bet that this is as good as it gets, yes
How can you ask for more?
If you're paid, you're not poor
This is as good as it gets, yes
We've been bought, we've been sold
But at least we're not old
Can your heart take the cold?
Martin Rossiter 1999 'No promise broken, no lie forgiven, I guarantee'
my normal scientific approach is to vote whoever lives nearest to me....that way the old dont sh*t on your own door step may kick in...........but this time due for various reasons a right handed vote to give the govt a kick up the ar*e
with PR you'd lose the important constituency link and end up with hung parliaments all the time, I don't see why you couldn't have a little though eg. 50 MPs determined by PR which might address some concerns to a degree, every vote would would be relevant.
[cite]Posted By: Salad[/cite]with PR you'd lose the important constituency link and end up with hung parliaments all the time, I don't see why you couldn't have a little though eg. 50 MPs determined by PR which might address some concerns to a degree, every vote would would be relevant.
You could have PR in multi-seat constituencies EG Bexley and Bromley with 6 seats. Would most likely return 4 or 5 tories and 1 or 2 Labour/Lib Dem. Ditto with Lewisham and Greenwich only the other way around.
But you could vote for you party of choice and have a chance of having an MP of your party choice elected. You'd still have a local MP - actually you'd have 6 - and could choose to vote or not vote for a person you liked/disliked.
[quote][cite]Posted By: Salad[/cite]with PR you'd lose the important constituency link and end up with hung parliaments all the time, I don't see why you couldn't have a little though eg. 50 MPs determined by PR which might address some concerns to a degree, every vote would would be relevant.[/quote]
In agreement with you Salad, any move to proportional representation needs to be done in the right way and some form of alternative vote plus top up would do the job. As for hung parliaments I think there is a debate to be had on these, do hung parliaments produce stalemale or consensus driven decisions?
[quote][cite]Posted By: Chunes[/cite]Haven't labour been longtime fans of devolution? I remember reading that they once offered a referendum on the matter but the public turned it down.[quote]
The movement from non elected regional assemblies to elected regional ones was soundly voted out in a referendum in the north east (this was very much John Prescotts baby). Since then and the sub national review, regional assemblies will be phased out with powers being transferred to regional development agencies and back to local councils.
The arguments and movements to City regions seem however to be continuing.
[cite]Posted By: jimmymelrose[/cite]When red became blue, hope denied
Our dreams swept away with the tide
So get out the way
People want to work
Not fester in the dirt
We all want to work
I bet that this is as good as it gets, yes
How can you ask for more?
If you're paid, you're not poor
This is as good as it gets, yes
We've been bought, we've been sold
But at least we're not old
Can your heart take the cold?
Martin Rossiter 1999 'No promise broken, no lie forgiven, I guarantee'
[cite]Posted By: Salad[/cite]with PR you'd lose the important constituency link and end up with hung parliaments all the time, I don't see why you couldn't have a little though eg. 50 MPs determined by PR which might address some concerns to a degree, every vote would would be relevant.
You could have PR in multi-seat constituencies EG Bexley and Bromley with 6 seats. Would most likely return 4 or 5 tories and 1 or 2 Labour/Lib Dem. Ditto with Lewisham and Greenwich only the other way around.
But you could vote for you party of choice and have a chance of having an MP of your party choice elected. You'd still have a local MP - actually you'd have 6 - and could choose to vote or not vote for a person you liked/disliked.
That has advantages, but the problem is you are forced to vote party rather than individual.
[cite]Posted By: Salad[/cite]with PR you'd lose the important constituency link and end up with hung parliaments all the time, I don't see why you couldn't have a little though eg. 50 MPs determined by PR which might address some concerns to a degree, every vote would would be relevant.
You could have PR in multi-seat constituencies EG Bexley and Bromley with 6 seats. Would most likely return 4 or 5 tories and 1 or 2 Labour/Lib Dem. Ditto with Lewisham and Greenwich only the other way around.
But you could vote for you party of choice and have a chance of having an MP of your party choice elected. You'd still have a local MP - actually you'd have 6 - and could choose to vote or not vote for a person you liked/disliked.
That has advantages, but the problem is you are forced to vote party rather than individual.
No, not at all. There are 6 tories, Six Labour, 6 Lib Dems etc on the card. You have 6 votes. You can vote for all six for your party or just share them around as you see fit for a good local MP or an independent as you see fit.
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The all-pervasiveness of Neoliberalism makes it a pointless waste of time.
Too much spin, too inexperienced etc.
My problem is that they all seem to be career politicians now. None of them have woked in industry or are have been lawyers etc.
who would i vote for? the Greens, just cos i think they are all a pile of dung and at least the greens seem like nice people..
SE9 - read up on John Tyndall, the BNP's founder. A braver generation than us fought against people with his views.
SE9 - read up on[url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/jul/20/otherparties.thefarright]John Tyndall[/url], the BNP's founder. A braver generation than us fought against people with his views.[/quote]
Dont agree with everything the BNP say but do agree with them more than the other party's.
I agree with you about the Greens though.
I was in New York on the night Barack Obama got in - the obvious issues aside, the sense of optimism and belief that yes, ordinary people could change things (even though NYC always votes Democrat in prez elections) was incredible. I compared that with the miserable mayoral election we endured in London (fought on both sides as a largely negative battle) and it was embarrassing. It's a tragedy we've lost that sense that we can change things, or even that we're being listened to, and that's what leads to the rise of nasty bastards like the BNP. BDL's right on changing the system.
They dont believe in excessive control over peoples lives, are economically liberal believing in free & fair markets, fair election systems :)
Harry Hill for PM
What we get is hundreds of contituencies which don't count because they aren't swing seat marginals. The parties concentrate their efforts on the marginals. The number of electorate that really count are swing voters in marginals, thats almost certainly less than 1M people out of a total electorate of 40M plus.. This is crazy. I live in a safe Tory seat, Labour and the Lib Dems slug it out as to who comes a distant 2nd. So if I vote LD, it makes no difference to whether the LD increase their number of seats.
If we want people more to engage in the political process, then ensuring that everybodies vote counts is essential.
Don't think I could ever vote Tory/N.Labour/Liberial.
If had to vote would probably go Green in General Election and Socialist in the Locals.
Over the years there have been at least three 'black holes' in his finances and all he can do is load us with more and more taxes to get the money back. I hate this government with a passion. I just can't understand how anyone could think of putting them back in. Still they can count on the 'Labour, always have been,always will be' brigade.
Our dreams swept away with the tide
So get out the way
People want to work
Not fester in the dirt
We all want to work
I bet that this is as good as it gets, yes
How can you ask for more?
If you're paid, you're not poor
This is as good as it gets, yes
We've been bought, we've been sold
But at least we're not old
Can your heart take the cold?
Martin Rossiter 1999 'No promise broken, no lie forgiven, I guarantee'
As others can count on the Tory always have and always will be, and liberal always have been always will be.
Indeed sometimes its not worth being an always have been always will be anything...
as in a safe constituency it doesnt matter who you support, your vote doesnt really count.
In definitely with Bing and BDL the sooner we get some for of Proportional representation the better.
You could have PR in multi-seat constituencies EG Bexley and Bromley with 6 seats. Would most likely return 4 or 5 tories and 1 or 2 Labour/Lib Dem. Ditto with Lewisham and Greenwich only the other way around.
But you could vote for you party of choice and have a chance of having an MP of your party choice elected. You'd still have a local MP - actually you'd have 6 - and could choose to vote or not vote for a person you liked/disliked.
In agreement with you Salad, any move to proportional representation needs to be done in the right way and some form of alternative vote plus top up would do the job. As for hung parliaments I think there is a debate to be had on these, do hung parliaments produce stalemale or consensus driven decisions?
Green for me. Because I don't think voting anything else would make a difference.
The movement from non elected regional assemblies to elected regional ones was soundly voted out in a referendum in the north east (this was very much John Prescotts baby). Since then and the sub national review, regional assemblies will be phased out with powers being transferred to regional development agencies and back to local councils.
The arguments and movements to City regions seem however to be continuing.
love that song :-)
No, not at all. There are 6 tories, Six Labour, 6 Lib Dems etc on the card. You have 6 votes. You can vote for all six for your party or just share them around as you see fit for a good local MP or an independent as you see fit.
I suspect that it would be probably not produce a clear parliamentary majority