The 31-year-old, who joined the Addicks for £750,000 from Burnley in January 2008, still has two years left on his contract at The Valley.
Thought this was strange at the time as I thought we said it was £1.5m. Maybe that was the basic payable plus add ons
This wouldn't be the first time we've been given a grand headline figure by the OS when signing the player only for it to be said to be much lower when we've come to sell the palyer at an apparent loss.
Not accusing anyone of lying here, but it does make you wonder if things aren't being spun a bit.
This wouldn't be the first time we've been given a grand headline figure by the OS when signing the player only for it to be said to be much lower when we've come to sell the palyer at an apparent loss.
Not accusing anyone of lying here, but it does make you wonder if things aren't being spun a bit.[/quote]
Could have been spun at the front end as well as now, perhaps to appease Burnley who might not have wanted others to see they were selling player 'on the cheap' etc
I also seem to remember plenty of add-ons including a substantial payment for promotion to the Premier.
It's quite possible that has never been paid out ....(!)
There's usually add-ons after a certain number of appearances plus goals scored.
So I doubt those payments have kicked in either.
Looking back our old favourite Fanny Jeffers came to us in a £2.6million deal, but so much of it included add-ons for goals scored and appearances - I heard Arsenal were paid no more than the £500k first instalment.
So £750k for Gray is possibly all we've paid so far.
He's quite possibly the highest paid player left at the club - remember at the time Burnley didn't want to sell, but said Charlton had made the player an offer that doubled his Burnley wage.
I guess the Board will see it as most of their money back plus removing a substantial wedge from the overheads list.
[cite]Posted By: Oggy Red[/cite]Looking back our old favourite Fanny Jeffers came to us in a £2.6million deal, but so much of it included add-ons for goals scored and appearances - I heard Arsenal were paid no more than the £500k first instalment.
I remember that, if true that was actually a decent deal. £500k a small gamble (at the time, not now) on a striker that a few years before was meant to be very promising and a future England regular.
[cite]Posted By: dabos[/cite]Looking back at it, Pardew signing Andy Gray over Sylvan Ebanks-Blake was a bit ridiculous really wasn't it?
Also remember, Pardew said he needed to replace Todorov, and therefore Gray was a logical choice.
He had good hold-up play and distribution, and been getting getting good service from Burnley's left winger Kyle Somebody-Can't-Remember-His-Name, scoring with headers and penalties and leading CCC goalscorer at the time.
So from Pardew's perspective, Gray ticked all the boxes.
Sylvan Ebay-Blanks was available from Plymouth, but Pardew quite possibly considered that player was a striker more in the mould of Luke Varney and Dizzy McLeod.
[cite]Posted By: dabos[/cite]Looking back at it, Pardew signing Andy Gray over Sylvan Ebanks-Blake was a bit ridiculous really wasn't it?
Also remember, Pardew said he needed to replaceTodorov, and therefore Gray was a logical choice.
He had good hold-up play and distribution, and been getting getting good service from Burnley's left winger Kyle Somebody-Can't-Remember-His-Name, scoring with headers and penalties and leading CCC goalscorer at the time.
So from Pardew's perspective, Gray ticked all the boxes.
Sylvan Ebay-Blanks was available from Plymouth, but Pardew quite possibly considered that player was a striker more in the mould of Luke Varney and Dizzy McLeod.
Kyle Lafferty is the name you're looking for. Now at Rangers.
Pardew may have considered SEB to be in the same mould as Varney and McLeod, but everyone else could recognise that he was/is at least 10 times better.
No doubt, but he already had Varney, McLeod and Dicko for that role.
Todorov was the one injured, everybody thought he wouldn't come back - and of course, as OoAah would say, we were in our then rightful position of 5th and expected to make at least the playoffs, so a strong hold up player like Gray was needed immediately.
Pardew isn't my choice of all time favourite Charlton manager, but I could understand and agree with his reasoning.
Other factors ensured that signing the player didn't work out.
[cite]Posted By: Oggy Red[/cite]No doubt, but he already had Varney, McLeod and Dicko for that role.
Todorov was the one injured, everybody thought he wouldn't come back - and of course, as OoAah would say, we were in our then rightful position of 5th and expected to make at least the playoffs, so a strong hold up player like Gray was needed immediately.
Pardew isn't my choice of all time favourite Charlton manager, but I could understand and agree with his reasoning.
Other factors ensured that signing the player didn't work out.
Agree with all your points. I think everyone expected Gray to play better than he ever did. I'm just jealous of the other teams really: £1.5m on SEB, £100k on McCormack... bargains out there (not that I can think of any more!).
From a footballing perspective, he would have been very influential in the Third Division, with a quality 1st touch and a striker's mentality in front of goal - providing you gave him a service and didn't expect him to work the channels like
Luke Varney.
And he takes a penalty like Clive Mendonca.
So who do we replace him with - a trialist from Dagenham & Redbridge ......?
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Would rather have Lee than Stowcroft.
Has Dickenson gone to Brighton yet?
If it's in the papers it must be true : - 0
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The 31-year-old, who joined the Addicks for £750,000 from Burnley in January 2008, still has two years left on his contract at The Valley.
Thought this was strange at the time as I thought we said it was £1.5m. Maybe that was the basic payable plus add ons
The ONE thing I'll praise them for in this current climate ...
yes he has and rumoured to be around 100k.
I suspect his Pardew inflated wage had to be factored into the deal and a reduced fee is a good way to do it.
On the other hand it could be a crap fee and we are still paying some of his wages!
Play to feet with pacy strikers and wingers I reckon.[/quote]
That's my recollection of Division 3 based on past experience. I think pace would be better except if the grounds are heavy.
This wouldn't be the first time we've been given a grand headline figure by the OS when signing the player only for it to be said to be much lower when we've come to sell the palyer at an apparent loss.
Not accusing anyone of lying here, but it does make you wonder if things aren't being spun a bit.
This wouldn't be the first time we've been given a grand headline figure by the OS when signing the player only for it to be said to be much lower when we've come to sell the palyer at an apparent loss.
Not accusing anyone of lying here, but it does make you wonder if things aren't being spun a bit.[/quote]
Could have been spun at the front end as well as now, perhaps to appease Burnley who might not have wanted others to see they were selling player 'on the cheap' etc
Never know with these things
Plus he had add on's for if we reached the play offs, how many goals he scored and if we got promoted to the Premier League.
It's quite possible that has never been paid out ....(!)
There's usually add-ons after a certain number of appearances plus goals scored.
So I doubt those payments have kicked in either.
Looking back our old favourite Fanny Jeffers came to us in a £2.6million deal, but so much of it included add-ons for goals scored and appearances - I heard Arsenal were paid no more than the £500k first instalment.
So £750k for Gray is possibly all we've paid so far.
He's quite possibly the highest paid player left at the club - remember at the time Burnley didn't want to sell, but said Charlton had made the player an offer that doubled his Burnley wage.
I guess the Board will see it as most of their money back plus removing a substantial wedge from the overheads list.
obviously previously documented family problems have had an effect on him, so probably a good move for all concerned.
wish him (and his family) all the best
I remember that, if true that was actually a decent deal. £500k a small gamble (at the time, not now) on a striker that a few years before was meant to be very promising and a future England regular.
Dickinson signed for Brighton for 100k. 43 goals in 79 starts - not bad.
Also remember, Pardew said he needed to replace Todorov, and therefore Gray was a logical choice.
He had good hold-up play and distribution, and been getting getting good service from Burnley's left winger Kyle Somebody-Can't-Remember-His-Name, scoring with headers and penalties and leading CCC goalscorer at the time.
So from Pardew's perspective, Gray ticked all the boxes.
Sylvan Ebay-Blanks was available from Plymouth, but Pardew quite possibly considered that player was a striker more in the mould of Luke Varney and Dizzy McLeod.
Kyle Lafferty is the name you're looking for. Now at Rangers.
Pardew may have considered SEB to be in the same mould as Varney and McLeod, but everyone else could recognise that he was/is at least 10 times better.
Todorov was the one injured, everybody thought he wouldn't come back - and of course, as OoAah would say, we were in our then rightful position of 5th and expected to make at least the playoffs, so a strong hold up player like Gray was needed immediately.
Pardew isn't my choice of all time favourite Charlton manager, but I could understand and agree with his reasoning.
Other factors ensured that signing the player didn't work out.
Agree with all your points. I think everyone expected Gray to play better than he ever did. I'm just jealous of the other teams really: £1.5m on SEB, £100k on McCormack... bargains out there (not that I can think of any more!).
From a footballing perspective, he would have been very influential in the Third Division, with a quality 1st touch and a striker's mentality in front of goal - providing you gave him a service and didn't expect him to work the channels like
Luke Varney.
And he takes a penalty like Clive Mendonca.
So who do we replace him with - a trialist from Dagenham & Redbridge ......?
No, they're in League Two. Far too high. We prefer Isthmiam Division 1 South. Trialists from the likes of Croydon Athletic.