Burn a Cruddy Campaign

Goonerhater

the great unwashed are seting up a "climate camp" in Greenwich Park !!! it will last a week. So Goonerhater is asking for all your unwanted petrol,turps,parafin,white spirt etc now they are all in one place its to good a chance to miss 3,000 manky students and lefties ---------------------- just have to be flame grilled.

Valley_floyd_red

Not quite in Greenwich Park, according to the BBC..

Hare and Billet Road in Blackheath has been named as the location by the group on micro-blogging site Twitter.

Goonerhater

Radio London news -- Greenwich Park.

and Hare and Billet road is only a short walk with a can of petrol

mistrollingin

All the usual suspects, no doubt. Well to do middle class types with rasta hairdos and their dopey girlfriends tagging along trying to look like 1960's hippies. What a bunch of complete and utter tossers.

kinveachyaddick

hope the v*nkers don't ruin the heath

would be typical of them to camp up their on an 'Eco' cause and leave our lovely heath in a right mess

bigstemarra

Yeah, what are they moaning about?

It's not like global warming is anything to worry about, eh?

Rock Spectacle

Having caught a bus from Lewisham to Charlton a couple of hours ago, I could see them turning up in their droves armed with rucksacks, drums etc etc. Mistrollingin's description is spot on as well. The traffic as a result is clogged all over the place, Mrs Spectacle has given up trying to get a bus from Greenwich due to gridlock, so lots of cars are stationary with their engines turned on, fumes etc - really protecting the environment by causing this.

And don't even start me on restoring the Victorian water mains or collection of the 58 different bins we have outside...

paulbaconsarnie

from what i can gather they are caamped on the lewisham side of the heath and the protests are gonna be based in greenwich park at the top of the hill overlooking docklands.
to get to the park they have to cross the greenwich borough side of the heath which currently has the fairground setting up.
i wonder what might happen to their tents if the protests affect the fairgrounds takings.

not stereotyping anyone like....

Rock Spectacle

Now that would be very funny indeed - doubt that they will affect my trade too much though!

BDL

Just heard someone on Radio 2 saying that the site, on Blackheath, has been set up on the london flood plain. Now I didn't do geography at school, but isn't Blackheath at the top of a hill?

bigstemarra

The Heath itself is, at any rate. If that floods then we really are f**ked.

Charlton Dan

The only thing that floods around there is the pond outside the Hare and Billet

aliwibble

They're going to be bloody freezing up there in the small hours of the morning, you know how windy it gets on the heath.

Steve Dowman

Usual feckin suspects no doubt. I notice 1905 has not been on here for a while, probably putting his stick on dreads on now and doing the CND badge on his face before heading up there the leftie twat.

A-R-T-H-U-R

A couple of them called at my door just now. Very well spoken, washed and well informed. They are offering tours and talks to local residents.
I wish them well. At least they are doing something other than sitting on their arses pretending it will all be fine.

Thommo

[quote][cite]Posted By: A-R-T-H-U-R[/cite]A couple of them called at my door just now. Very well spoken, washed and well informed. They are offering tours and talks to local residents.
I wish them well. At least they are doing something other than sitting on their arses pretending it will all be fine.[/quote]

Ditto, Im all for freedom of expression and political campaigning certainly beats the protest action we witnessed at the Boleyn last night.

bigstemarra

What are you talking about Arthur? Our trusted politicians will sort the whole thing out, no doubt. It's not like they would let political opportunism and short term financial gain get in the way is it? That would never happen! They are obviously just waiting until the time is right to actually do something about the biggest issue that faces us this century!

How dare those cheeky, unwashed hippy buggers doubt their sincerity and integrity.....

Bournemouth Addick

[cite]Posted By: A-R-T-H-U-R[/cite]A couple of them called at my door just now. Very well spoken, washed and well informed. They are offering tours and talks to local residents.
I wish them well. At least they are doing something other than sitting on their arses pretending it will all be fine.

Oh right. Did they explain what they plan to do about solar flares then i.e. by far the biggest single influence on our climate? Or did they mention that, actually, global temperatures have been dropping significantly in the last 10 years and we are now back at our 30 year average? Or that it was far, far hotter in the Middle Ages when we didn't drive around in the Devil's Chariots burning fossil fuels for fun?

"Well informed" my backside, it'll be the same old blinkered rubbish they've been spouting since they realised if they saved the planet for us they didn't have to find a job.

NathanPrior

I might set up camp next to them with a sign telling them to go home

bigstemarra

Well, Bournemouth - so you are an internationally acclaimed and respected climate scientist with years of research behind you then?

If not - let the experts decide what is actually happening. Anti-global warming sites are so full of mis-represented shit it is unbelievable - plus they are funded by the US oil industry. I prefer my research to be non-biased and peer reviewed and the opinions I listen to to be those of experts. The vast majority accept global warming as a reality. But deniers like you (with your presumably massive scientific education) know better I presume. You must be right then.

You may be content for your grandchildren or their children to have to physically fight for food and water, but some of us would rather avoid it if possible.

bigstemarra

Your points are dealt with here:

http://www.skepticalscience.com/

Enjoy.

Off_it

I heard the Beeb reporting that the camp was on the London flood plain. As someone said earlier, if Blackheath floods then we're all in trouble!

Steve Dowman

Global warming, or climate change since the globe stopped warming, is a crock of shite pushed by self interest groups. Very dull. FACT

Bournemouth Addick

[cite]Posted By: bigstemarra[/cite]Well, Bournemouth - so you are an internationally acclaimed and respected climate scientist with years of research behind you then?

If not - let the experts decide what is actually happening. Anti-global warming sites are so full of mis-represented shit it is unbelievable - plus they are funded by the US oil industry. I prefer my research to be non-biased and peer reviewed and the opinions I listen to to be those of experts. The vast majority accept global warming as a reality. But deniers like you (with your presumably massive scientific education) know better I presume. You must be right then.

You may be content for your grandchildren or their children to have to physically fight for food and water, but some of us would rather avoid it if possible.

Nope, of course I'm not an acclaimed expert nor am I naive enough not to realise that the whole issue is rife with self interest and missinformation but I am prepared to listen to and read alternative points of view on which to base my own opinions and thoughts. Given the tone of your own response this seems to be beyond yourself at the moment but if you're happy carrying on believing that the research is "non-biased", "peer reviewed" and accepted by a "majority" of the climate change experts then fair enough. It ain't and never has been.

It's a shame that people with your point of view react like this because, and I'm sure we agree on this, it is an important subject, and by flinging names around like 'denier' it is actually closing down the very dialogue which may actually have led us down a path which solved many of our problems.

Steve Dowman

Actually global warming and the takeover have a real synergy about them, with regards believers and non believers and those frightened by the prospect of it all, although one has actually happened.

bigstemarra

It has nothing to do with opinions. It is about evidence, which is either there or not.

I am a scientist and this is how we do things. It's called the scientific method. It works using peer review which consists of experts in the relevant field attempting as hard as they can to pick holes in research and invalidate it. If they can't, then it is accepted as having merit, and published. Someone else can then read it and they are all welcome to try and disprove it too. If they still can't - it is then considered reliable, at least until someone subsequently invalidates it.

I am sorry if I sound off, but I come across people who think that science is like some kind of 'your views' column on a newspaper website. It isn't. Scientists study for years in particular areas so that they know what they are talking about. I would not tell Tiger Woods how to take a golf shot, so unless you have studied this area, you must accept that their are others who understand climate science better than you and thus have more valid opinions than you.

The problem is that your 'alternative points of view' are simply wrong and have been identified as such by scientific experts in those fields. Why do you presume to know better?

Evidence is all that matters. Everything else is irrelevant - in fact it's what we scientists call 'made up'.

Off_it

I'd love to have a job where I could legitimately use a Bunsen Burner every day of the week. Quality.

What area do you specialise in Bigstemarra?

Bournemouth Addick

[cite]Posted By: bigstemarra[/cite]Your points are dealt with here:

http://www.skepticalscience.com/

Enjoy.

Oh blimey - you've done it now. There's a link to a website which takes a different view to some of the points I put forward. What am I going to do now? [breaks into cold sweat at thought of being embarrassed on football website...]

Of course what I could do is post links to many other sites out there which support an alternative view, full of interesting discussion by very well informed and respected 'experts' in their field. But there would be no point though, as you are not open to any argument other than your own being 'right' and anyone else is just an ill educated, moronic, 'denier', lapping up the petrochemical spin.

I think you're proving my very point.

Steve Dowman

The problem with most of this peer review of 'climate change' is that the peers have just as much vested interested as those who originally produced the 'evidence' being that if they called it bunk the funding for this would stop and they would all have to do a real job. There are so many climate change experts around that they have to keep it going or they would look daft and be out of work, so it continues and the real problem of population growth is swept under the carpet as it is too difficult and sensitive to tackle.

Cuff

You could get your bunsen burner out when you "work from home" couldn't you D?

charltonkeston

[cite]Posted By: bigstemarra[/cite]It has nothing to do with opinions. It is about evidence, which is either there or not.

I am a scientist and this is how we do things. It's called the scientific method. It works using peer review which consists of experts in the relevant field attempting as hard as they can to pick holes in research and invalidate it. If they can't, then it is accepted as having merit, and published. Someone else can then read it and they are all welcome to try and disprove it too. If they still can't - it is then considered reliable, at least until someone subsequently invalidates it.

I am sorry if I sound off, but I come across people who think that science is like some kind of 'your views' column on a newspaper website. It isn't. Scientists study for years in particular areas so that they know what they are talking about. I would not tell Tiger Woods how to take a golf shot, so unless you have studied this area, you must accept that their are others who understand climate science better than you and thus have more valid opinions than you.

The problem is that your 'alternative points of view' are simply wrong and have been identified as such by scientific experts in those fields. Why do you presume to know better?

Evidence is all that matters. Everything else is irrelevant - in fact it's what we scientists call 'made up'.

Yeah but scientists made up all this climate change stuff so they could get funding and lead a lavish life style.