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Remake of The Firm by Nick Love

Saw the poster for this today and had completely forgotten he was remaking this. I hoped he had too because I think its going to be a disaster. Why couldn't he have just left this alone and come up with something else. The original showed that contrary to the media stereotype of the time, hooliganism involved a cross-section of society and not exclusively lower class/skinhead
drunks, and its impact on those nearest and dearest to them, with the final scenes revealing the ultimate futility of what they were engaged in. Judging by the pre publicity this version appears to be a retro eighties fashion show with plenty of tear ups involving a cast of real life hoolie extras to satiate his core audience, with an opportunity for Fila , Nike and co to show off their latest retro ranges. At least it doesnt have Danny Dyer in.
Anybody else looking forward to this?
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    Im actually very surprised Danny Dyer is not in it. Must be the first thing that Love will have made without him. There has'nt really been a decent film about hooliganism since I.D although I have'nt seen the original Firm so I'm going to track it down as you've made it sound pretty interesting plus Gary Oldman is in it I see which is always a good thing.
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    the only two really good films of this kind are the original version of the firm and arrivedercci millwall.

    would love to know if anybody has a copy of the latter taped off BBC2 as it was never released
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    Got it indoors somewhere I will try and find it!

    BECKSEY!.............OH COME ON...........BOOOOOOM!
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    edited September 2009
    i think alot of it was filmed around Woolwich Common Estate not sure but i vaguely remember them filming a few scences there the original one not this new load of poop
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    Gotta say, the new version looks rubbish from the trailers that have been shown.

    Difficult to imagine the character without Gary Oldman anyway. New bloke is not in his class.
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    I've seen a picture of it. In the 80s did people really fight each other in track suits?!
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    [cite]Posted By: nth london addick[/cite]i think alot of it was filmed around Woolwich Common Estate not sure but i vaguely remember them filming a few scences there the original one not this new load of poop

    it was deffo cos Becks mum and dads house was filmed in my aunt and uncles house , they'd already moved out - they were all demolished afer that
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    Nick Love in the Sunday Times


    "Tuesday night in east London. Clashes between rival West Ham and Millwall fans break out hours before kick-off. A fan gets stabbed. Several arrests and injuries. Sounds like something from the 1980s, but it happened only a few days ago: a dark return to thug culture, said the papers. But did it ever go away?

    I was born a Millwall fan; if you grow up in south London, you learn that West Ham are the enemy before you know what Benson & Hedges are. The hatred that divides the two clubs either side of that silver slip of the Thames is almost biblical. As quickly as I knew which of the players were good, I heard the names of the top boys. Back then Millwall’s “firm” — firms are organised fighting gangs of fans who see themselves as defenders of the club’s honour — had a reputation for being one of the biggest in the country.

    You could spot the leaders a mile off: older boys with wedge haircuts and top-end Fila tracksuits or diamond golf jumpers. They were the boys I gravitated towards. My first exposure to violence was at Charlton. I remember the smell of hops from factories and the noise: shouting and glass breaking. I saw my friend punched in the face. Then half a brick came spinning over a messy line of boys and caught me on the head, blood oozing out right away. There was no time to think about it. I was flying, wiping claret from my eyes, my Ellesse ski jacket heading for a hot wash — I didn’t care, I was there. I was one of the boys who could say I stood and had a go, although in reality I wasn’t and I didn’t.

    That’s what it became for me; it was all about being there, looking good. Side parting and a sovereign ring, Fila jumper and 10 John Player cigarettes. I never could get my head around the idea of hitting people — sure, I’d carry a rounders bat up my sleeve, look a bit hard, but that didn’t match up with the child inside. Fear stopped me from piling in but I still wanted to be part of the gang. That was my dilemma. Belonging. Looking for a family beyond blood. That’s what gang culture is about. Soft boys wanting to be hard. Lost boys looking for family.

    Football violence seemed to vanish towards the end of the 1980s, possibly due to the birth of rave culture, tougher sentences, the advent of CCTV. But the truth is it was never eradicated — it simply moved away from football grounds to attract less attention.

    What happened at Upton Park on Tuesday is rarely seen, so it made all the front pages. But look on YouTube and you can see thousands of fights: football fights, ice hockey fights, postcode fights, drug fights, random attacks at bus stops. I didn’t go on Tuesday; not a chance. I’ve battled so much over the years with wanting to be a bad boy, but I’m a film director now and have left all that behind.

    I found it ironic that it should flare up again just before the release of my film, The Firm, about football fights in the 1980s and my own struggle with gang culture, the boy who was frightened, who walked away. I hope some of the lads at Upton Park on Tuesday have the chance to see it.

    The Firm will be released nationwide on September 18"


    Plug that film Nick - The pornography of (football) violence)
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    edited September 2009
    It was filmed in

    Blackheath
    Thamesmead
    Plumstead

    And the changing rooms they used at the beginning of the film looked a lot like Charlton Park?
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    www.thefirm84.com

    There is loads of behind the scenes footage on there.
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    I thought thamesmead was used. It was also infamous as the setting for the majority of clockwork orange. Not that the place has been typecast from its inception.
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    Gary Oldman in the original is excellent, have the DVD at home still a great film.
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    I always thought he was a bit unrealistic tbh. Was he in a programme called Prospects around that time which I seem to remember was excellent viewing or was it someone else? Anyone remember it?
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    How can anyone take The Firm seriously when it had Jim MacDonald from Corrie in it, with a stupid Cockney accent too??
    I find all this re-newed interest in football violence quite pathetic.
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    Prospects was filmed around Deptford/Bermondsy and starred that guy from 2.4Children: Gary......?
    South of the Border was around then, filmed mainly on the pepys estate.
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    [cite]Posted By: Chirpy Red[/cite]How can anyone take The Firm seriously when it had Jim MacDonald from Corrie in it, with a stupid Cockney accent too??
    I find all this re-newed interest in football violence quite pathetic.

    I agree with Chirpy on both points
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    ......Olsen !!
    Sadly no longer with us.
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    [cite]Posted By: Henry Irving
    I agree with Chirpy on both points

    Well I can't be having that!

    The Firm, top film. The Gary Oldman one, the Tom Cruise one, the Nick Lowe one. Green Street, Football Factory, ID etc. Love 'em all!
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    a lot of truth in what Love comments upon....I can remember in the early 70's really wanting to belong and being shit scared, that eventually gets replaced with sheer adrenalin and the thrill of the moment. As much as people want to sweep the subject under the table, Im betting there are a fair few on here who have been there and done it, and are now quite respectable law abiding fans who grew out of it...
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    Talking of Danny Dyer, saw a truly awful film the other night with him and the bird from X-Files. It was on C4 on Monday night I think. It was so bad I just had to keep watching it.
    He is such a tool,but he did get to get onto bed with her though!
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    [cite]Posted By: Chirpy Red[/cite]Talking of Danny Dyer, saw a truly awful film the other night with him and the bird from X-Files. It was on C4 on Monday night I think. It was so bad I just had to keep watching it.
    He is such a tool,but he did get to get onto bed with her though!

    I saw that. Truly awful.
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    [cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: Chirpy Red[/cite]Talking of Danny Dyer, saw a truly awful film the other night with him and the bird from X-Files. It was on C4 on Monday night I think. It was so bad I just had to keep watching it.
    He is such a tool,but he did get to get onto bed with her though!

    I saw that. Truly awful.

    I don't know, it had one or two good points in it...
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    Danny dyer legend actor- obv not a hard man but plays the part well
    Fave film Football factory love it!!! do like the original firm and have a copy but i think maybe the remake is due, hopefully its good but usually they are not
    love all films like that tbh, not that im going to get into hooliganism but love the thought of it and watching it does get the adrenaline flowing, ID i also have but unsure whether i have watched? i think i will have to have a dip into my dvd collection soon and catch up. FF i watch weekly which is bit sad but heyho :-)

    let us know if new ones worth watching ppl when you go
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    Talk about overuse of the word Legend, I take it you're on a wind up!
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    He's probably the worst actor of all time.
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    [cite]Posted By: Friend Or Defoe[/cite]Talk about overuse of the word Legend, I take it you're on a wind up!

    No i just mean in the role he played in football factory, not necessarily a great actor just perfect for these sort of films, sorry didnt make very clear
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    [cite]Posted By: johnnybev1987[/cite] not that im going to get into hooliganism but love the thought of it and watching it does get the adrenaline flowing,

    Really?
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    "You tawking baht me beein a ledgend? Fack that mate, I'm jus PWOPA NAWTEEEEE"

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    I believe Nick Love has fallen out with Dyer, or claims he's become too typecast for such a role, hence not casting him for this. It's not intended to be a remake, but rather a pre-quel to the original. From the screenshots and trailers it looks like he's gone a bit OTT with the fashions, but I think thats probably the reason why I would want to see it. I only remember that era as a child but as far as I was concerned everyone wore Ellesse, Fila, Sergio Tach etc. I expect the script/plot/acting will be turd but Love got most of 'the look' right in The Business and it seems it will be the same in this movie.
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