Now that August is here, were are potentially (but not necessarily) in the moth that will see our thousandth Charlton player. We are a dozen short of that figure at the moment with, if I've counted correctly, seven new first team players ready to make their debuts. I guess ultimately, the question of whether August is the month or not will depend on how many more new signings we get (if any) and then how many of the U21 squad are promoted to the first team for the Carabao Cup match against Brum on 13th August.
In anticipation that this could be the month, I'm reposting the full Valiant 988 list here, as we've done before. When we reach the magic thousand figure I'll also publish some further analysis. I'm not promising to do that straight away though as it will take a little while to prepare.
Valiant Number/Name
Debut Date
Debut Versus
Manager
Total Appearances
Total Goals
V0001 Joseph Hughes
27/08/1921
Exeter
Walter Rayner
19
0
V0002 Johnny Mitchell*
27/08/1921
Exeter
Walter Rayner
16
0
V0003 Abraham Goodman*
27/08/1921
Exeter
Walter Rayner
133
19
V0004 Tommy Dowling
27/08/1921
Exeter
Walter Rayner
21
1
V0005 Walker Hampson
27/08/1921
Exeter
Walter Rayner
15
0
V0006 Bert Dunn*
27/08/1921
Exeter
Walter Rayner
8
0
V0007 Sid Castle
27/08/1921
Exeter
Walter Rayner
71
10
V0008 Daniel Bailey
27/08/1921
Exeter
Walter Rayner
33
8
V0009 Harold Halse
27/08/1921
Exeter
Walter Rayner
21
5
V0010 Albert Green*
27/08/1921
Exeter
Walter Rayner
17
3
V0011 Henry Wilson
27/08/1921
Exeter
Walter Rayner
24
1
V0012 Harry Lane
31/08/1921
Gillingham
Walter Rayner
3
0
V0013 Scotty Kingsley*
31/08/1921
Gillingham
Walter Rayner
20
2
V0014 Dick Upex*
31/08/1921
Gillingham
Walter Rayner
3
0
V0015 Bronco Burton
03/09/1921
Exeter
Walter Rayner
107
0
V0016 Arthur Whalley
03/09/1921
Exeter
Walter Rayner
98
9
V0017 Jimmy Thompson
03/09/1921
Exeter
Walter Rayner
2
0
V0018 George Dodd
03/09/1921
Exeter
Walter Rayner
1
0
V0019 Alf Moody
03/09/1921
Exeter
Walter Rayner
2
0
V0020 Fred Jewhurst*
05/09/1921
Gillingham
Walter Rayner
9
0
V0021 Charlie Harbidge
05/09/1921
Gillingham
Walter Rayner
6
0
V0022 Ernie Bacon
10/09/1921
Bristol Rovers
Walter Rayner
5
0
V0023 Alex Steele
10/09/1921
Bristol Rovers
Walter Rayner
146
26
V0024 Billy Cox
17/09/1921
Bristol Rovers
Walter Rayner
102
19
V0025 Cyril Smith*
15/10/1921
Aberdare
Walter Rayner
7
0
V0026 Albert Purdy*
24/12/1921
QPR
Walter Rayner
110
0
V0027 Edward Barnes*
26/12/1921
Norwich
Walter Rayner
21
0
V0028 Baden Herod
27/12/1921
Norwich
Walter Rayner
236
2
V0029 Mosky Mills*
19/01/1922
Northampton
Walter Rayner
2
0
V0030 Jas Dadley
25/02/1922
Portsmouth
Walter Rayner
8
0
V0031 Bob Thomson
25/02/1922
Portsmouth
Walter Rayner
82
17
V0032 Arthur Briggs
09/03/1922
Swansea Town
Walter Rayner
9
1
V0033 Joe Filliston
17/04/1922
Reading
Walter Rayner
30
8
V0034 George Pleasant
27/04/1922
Newport
Walter Rayner
2
0
V0035 Jimmy Eggleton
27/04/1922
Newport
Walter Rayner
28
0
V0036 Albert Mitchell*
06/05/1922
Swindon
Walter Rayner
1
1
V0037 Freddy Wood
26/08/1922
Luton
Walter Rayner
102
0
V0038 Angus Mckinnon
26/08/1922
Luton
Walter Rayner
15
0
V0039 Edwin Rees
26/08/1922
Luton
Walter Rayner
64
14
V0040 Steve Smith
26/08/1922
Luton
Walter Rayner
102
10
V0041 Seth Plum
02/09/1922
Luton
Walter Rayner
57
0
V0042 Bertram Knight
09/09/1922
Exeter
Walter Rayner
3
0
V0043 Dusty Miller
09/12/1922
Plymouth
Walter Rayner
20
11
V0044 George Ayres
23/12/1922
Southend
Walter Rayner
36
5
V0045 Norman Smith
03/03/1923
Swindon
Walter Rayner
450
16
V0046 Arthur Hutchins
25/08/1923
Aberdare
Walter Rayner
21
1
V0047 Frank Burrill
25/08/1923
Aberdare
Walter Rayner
15
4
V0048 Charlie Hannaford
25/08/1923
Aberdare
Walter Rayner
24
3
V0049 Tom Williams
03/09/1923
Southend
Walter Rayner
5
2
V0050 Bill Berry
29/09/1923
Millwall Athletic
Walter Rayner
11
2
V0051 Jimmy Chipperfield
29/09/1923
Millwall Athletic
Walter Rayner
3
0
V0052 William Walsh
13/10/1923
Newport
Walter Rayner
9
2
V0053 Charlie Preedy
24/11/1923
Watford
Walter Rayner
140
0
V0054 Frank Champion
01/12/1923
Swansea Town
Walter Rayner
2
0
V0055 Bert Richards
09/02/1924
Portsmouth
Walter Rayner
20
3
V0056 Billy Dudley
08/03/1924
Bristol Rovers
Walter Rayner
2
0
V0057 George Armitage
15/03/1924
Brighton
Walter Rayner
182
4
V0058 Tom Wilson
30/08/1924
Southend
Walter Rayner
34
4
V0059 Andrew Sloan
01/09/1924
Northampton
Walter Rayner
1
0
V0060 Bill Haley
08/09/1924
Northampton
Walter Rayner
21
9
V0061 Henry Allen
08/09/1924
Northampton
Walter Rayner
43
1
V0062 Freddie Groves
08/09/1924
Northampton
Walter Rayner
7
0
V0063 Fred Trayler
13/09/1924
Bristol Rovers
Walter Rayner
6
0
V0064 Alf Bowers
24/09/1924
Bristol City
Walter Rayner
5
0
V0065 Bert Millard
08/11/1924
Bournemouth & Bos.
Walter Rayner
42
8
V0066 Bobby Turnbull
08/11/1924
Bournemouth & Bos.
Walter Rayner
9
4
V0067 Henry Vanner
15/11/1924
Brighton
Walter Rayner
2
0
V0068 Hugh Mcginn
07/03/1925
Gillingham
Walter Rayner
13
1
V0069 Percy Winter
14/03/1925
Bournemouth & Bos.
Walter Rayner
6
0
V0070 Alex Hardie
29/08/1925
Bristol Rovers
Alex MacFarlane
32
3
V0071 George Biswell
29/08/1925
Bristol Rovers
Alex MacFarlane
101
26
V0072 Reg Tricker
29/08/1925
Bristol Rovers
Alex MacFarlane
43
18
V0073 John Mcguire
03/09/1925
Newport
Alex MacFarlane
7
0
V0074 Ford Currie
05/09/1925
Swindon
Alex MacFarlane
7
1
V0075 Willie Paterson
12/09/1925
Exeter
Alex MacFarlane
102
0
V0076 John Rankin
17/09/1925
Newport
Alex MacFarlane
204
37
V0077 Fred Jones
10/10/1925
Gillingham
Alex MacFarlane
10
2
V0078 Herbert Steele
17/10/1925
Norwich
Alex MacFarlane
3
0
V0079 Jimmy Gibson
24/10/1925
Southend
Alex MacFarlane
5
3
V0080 Doug Inglis
21/11/1925
Brentford
Alex MacFarlane
2
0
V0081 Alex Hooper
28/11/1925
Windsor & Eton
Alex MacFarlane
9
0
V0082 Tom Mccrorie
28/11/1925
Windsor & Eton
Alex MacFarlane
8
1
V0083 Herbert Kirby
13/02/1926
Millwall Athletic
Alex MacFarlane
7
0
V0084 Tom Hawkings
25/02/1926
Watford
Alex MacFarlane
10
1
V0085 Ted Godfrey
15/03/1926
Merthyr
Alex MacFarlane
32
7
V0086 Jack Bailey
02/04/1926
Luton
Alex MacFarlane
4
0
V0087 James Semple
02/04/1926
Luton
Alex MacFarlane
2
0
V0088 Jock Devine
28/08/1926
Watford
Alex MacFarlane
20
0
V0089 Harry Hirst
28/08/1926
Watford
Alex MacFarlane
4
0
V0090 David Sherlaw
28/08/1926
Watford
Alex MacFarlane
85
33
V0091 Harry Kirk
28/08/1926
Watford
Alex MacFarlane
8
2
V0092 John Cairns
28/08/1926
Watford
Alex MacFarlane
8
3
V0093 Jack Horton
28/08/1926
Watford
Alex MacFarlane
272
58
V0094 James Murphy
16/09/1926
Aberdare
Alex MacFarlane
17
0
V0095 Jimmy Davies
18/09/1926
QPR
Alex MacFarlane
17
0
V0096 Reg John
25/09/1926
Millwall Athletic
Alex MacFarlane
8
0
V0097 Augustus Hipkin
02/10/1926
Bristol City
Alex MacFarlane
1
0
V0098 Alex Middleton
09/10/1926
Bournemouth & Bos.
Alex MacFarlane
6
0
V0099 Frank Davies
16/10/1926
Swindon
Alex MacFarlane
31
1
V0100 Harry Mccracken
23/10/1926
Bristol Rovers
Alex MacFarlane
1
0
Notes: 1. Valiant numbers are now presented in four digits to allow scope for new numbers. 2. Only simple names are given in this list. For full names of older players please see the list on page 21 of this thread. 3. Players whose names are marked with an asterisk (*) played for the club as non-league players before the 1921-22 season. It is possible that more of the early players represented us in non-league than are indicated here. 4. Players whose names are marked with a double asterisk (**) - see final post in this series - are still registered to the club and are therefore likely to make further appearances. This includes players noted on the club website as 'loaned out'. 5. 'Manager' is the manager of the team on the day that the player made his debut. In many cases that will also be the manager that brought them to the club, but not necessarily. 6. Total Appearances and Total Goals relate to a competitive first team fixtures.
Depends on how many more new signings we make, assuming it's 4 GK, CB, CM and Dixon, it could be the league cup, if we also throw in a youngster. At the latest though I'd expect us to hit 1,000 by or in the BSM cup game at Cambridge on 17th of September.
It struck me looking at that list that as a 29 year old who went to their first game in 2000 around about half (just under) all the players to represent the club at first team level have happened in my time as a Charlton fan.
An odd thing that jumped out at me - V608 Tahar el-Khalej and V622 Talal el Karkouri.
Maybe a Mandela effect or something, but I could’ve sworn Talal played for us first. I was under the impression that part of the reason El-Khalej was such a disappointment was because he was nowhere near as good as his near namesake had been for us. Obviously I was mistaken. I guess I remembered conversations like “I hope he’s as good as El Karkouri” when they were actually “At least he’s better than El-Khalej” or something.
So how do we determine who's the first when there's multiple debutants? Number order, alphabetical order, order in which they step onto the turf when coming out of the tunnel, or order in which they touch the ball in the game?
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Add the three others Jones wants plus some youth players and we could hit 1000 in the early games of the season, maybe in a cup game.
In anticipation that this could be the month, I'm reposting the full Valiant 988 list here, as we've done before. When we reach the magic thousand figure I'll also publish some further analysis. I'm not promising to do that straight away though as it will take a little while to prepare.
Notes: 1. Valiant numbers are now presented in four digits to allow scope for new numbers. 2. Only simple names are given in this list. For full names of older players please see the list on page 21 of this thread. 3. Players whose names are marked with an asterisk (*) played for the club as non-league players before the 1921-22 season. It is possible that more of the early players represented us in non-league than are indicated here. 4. Players whose names are marked with a double asterisk (**) - see final post in this series - are still registered to the club and are therefore likely to make further appearances. This includes players noted on the club website as 'loaned out'. 5. 'Manager' is the manager of the team on the day that the player made his debut. In many cases that will also be the manager that brought them to the club, but not necessarily. 6. Total Appearances and Total Goals relate to a competitive first team fixtures.
Lennon Maclorg, if we don't sign another keeper, for 1000?
Thats mad
Maybe a Mandela effect or something, but I could’ve sworn Talal played for us first. I was under the impression that part of the reason El-Khalej was such a disappointment was because he was nowhere near as good as his near namesake had been for us. Obviously I was mistaken.
I guess I remembered conversations like “I hope he’s as good as El Karkouri” when they were actually “At least he’s better than El-Khalej” or something.
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