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Halloween and Christmas your thoughs please

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edited October 2009 in Not Sports Related
I am aware that some of you on her have small children so i can understand they would want to celebrate it i will of course be in Carlise for Halloween anyway but is this not the most pointless holiday ever meaningless americanised moneymaker what a waste of time.

Also i am affraid Christmas is going the same way for most people who actually celebrates either holiday for the actual reason they are holidays i know we dont in my family would be interesting to know if any on here do. I am affraid im not a religious man so Christmas for me is getting less and less important every year until i have kids of course.

Just be interesting to get some views on this.
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  • woops haha typo on the head of this topic *Thoughts Please* its ment to read sorry bout that everyone.
  • er bit of fun for the kids, doing the pumpkin etc. yeah the trick or treating is imported, but hey the kids like it too.

    Both are originally pagan festivals as was Easter (solstice and equinoxes, spring, harvest etc)
  • Halloween is often just an excuse for chavs to intimidate the vulnerable under the thin veneer of trick or treat. I hate it personally although as a parent one has to accept that the kids will want to dress up and so on. Bonfire night was the treat when I was young but that has changed over my lifetime.

    I also hate the commercialisation and loss of the real meaning of Christmas, although as a parent it is wonderful to watch the children when young enough to believe in Father Christmas.
  • Halloween is not a holiday though.
  • edited October 2009
    [cite]Posted By: MrOneLung[/cite]Halloween is not a holiday though.

    What I was going to say.

    Old English tradition reintroduced via the US.

    Kids like it and as long as older kids don't take it too far I don't see a problem.

    Bonfire night is great as well. Let's have both. The big shows or the local fund raiser for the Cricket Club we go to packs them in so it doesn't seem to be dying around here.

    Every year you can guarentee that as Christmas approaches you will hear/read

    It's too commercial
    The true religious meaning has been lost

    I think that has been the case for all of my 48 years and most likely a lot longer before that.
  • Yea as i said i dont mind if you have small children i can see why you would celebrate both but last year at Halloween all you heard about was how elderly people were getting terrised and people were just generally taking it too far which is just sad as Len said an excuss for chavs to intimidate people and if that how we are going to celebrate it we might as well not bother.

    As for Christmas think i would be more open minded about it if i had kids i think.
  • Figgy pudding for me
  • threepenny bits in the Christmas pud, paper chains, triang toys, auntie getting tipsy on warm sherry, a new pair of "Stanley Matthews" football boots with wooden studs and toe caps. Dad taking me to sail my toy boat in one of the ponds on Blackheath. Nothing but warm memories for me thanks to my parents.
  • edited October 2009
    Ok Christmas to me is a time to give gifts to those I love and spend time with the family i have left. Don't care about the religious side.

    Halloween is a time to dress up so no one recognises us and to go out egging chavs and by doing so protecting the oldies ;o)
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  • Wasn't it Jesus that famously turned bread and water into meat and wine?

    In a strange twist,i go from consuming meat and wine to bread and water after the Christmas credit card bill arrives on the mat!
  • Don't care much for either I'm afraid.

    Trick or treating got out of hand round my way a long time ago, never been one for doing that anyway. My housemate is going to shit himself inside out if he stays in this Saturday!

    Christmas is one time of year I feel massively down and bad for people on their own for whatever reason and until/if I have kids my opinion there won't change. Besides that I hate with a burning passion people that spend money on absolute shit for the sake of it, and the time of year it begins. And for the fact that it is the only time of year police seem to show a visible presence on the roads to catch as many shandy drinkers as they can to bump numbers up, but that's for another time.

    As for the adage 'it's nice to spend time with the family' then whoever comes out with such utter flannel as that needs lobotomising. If it takes an occasion that rolls around once every 12 months to see your family then have a look in the mirror and think why they don't want to see you!

    I also cannot understand why people break up for like 2 weeks at Christmas either (not one for working round the clock etc but what the funk gets done the rest of the time if that is going on!)

    And someone famous always dies on Christmas day
  • Ban them both as they just detract from the mighty Winterval......
  • Trick or treat

    Trick

    Oh.
  • i love bonfire night. you can't have fireworks without having a guy to lob on the bonfire at the end. my kids love halloween,dressing up and showing off their outfits in the guise of trick or treating. it's the 14 years olds banging on doors with one mask between 8 of them demanding money and who don't really get it that spoil it for the other younger children who want to have fun.

    christmas too commercial? what you gonna do?
  • Tesco down our way has 4 aisles full of halloween gear, commercial ? Never! Glad my kids were too old for it before it became so 'popular'. Bonfire night: terrific, been saving bits of wood since last year: mulled wine and baked spuds, should do it more often! As for Christmas, had our 'nasty neighbour' round last year threatening to call the OB because we were making too much noise (at 10pm) on Christmas night playing board games, livened things up no end 'cos I was just nodding off after sinking a number of malts but nothing like a good row to get things going again!
  • I've got some great memories of both when I was younger but until I have kids of my own neither is going to mean anything to me. I used to be one of those Halloween hoodlums, one year we were running through an alley way in an estate, kicking fences and knocking over bins, throwing eggs and all that crap until we realised it was a dead end! We had to quietly walk back as lights were being turned on, I learnt my lesson that night!
  • [cite]Posted By: March51[/cite]Tesco down our way has 4 aisles full of halloween gear,
    was that at hookwood tesco?
  • One of my cousins knocked a yoof out several years back for jumping out on him in an alleyway on halloween. He was trotting back from an early evening session round the pub, went uphill up the alley to get home and the fella jumped out in front of him in a scream mask and got KTFO. It takes a special kind of Chatham stupid for an asbo yoof(11 stone wringing wet?) to jump out and make jump 17+ stone of tighthead prop.
  • Yes Dazzler, you thinking of dressing up then? Pointy hats were selling fast!
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  • Really looking forward to Halloween, I have a very excited 5 year old & a 2 year old who doesn't know what it's all about but will be dressed up as a scarecrow nonetheless. We lack the chav element over here, so it's a fun-filled, family affair & I naturally get to scoff most of the chocolates & sweets that they will have collected. Too many sweets are bad for their teeth of coure.
  • edited October 2009
    Amusing that people always call everything 'Americanized' just because the Americans put a bit of oomf into it and shock horror try and enjoy themselves. Lets face it the Yanks know how to do these things a bit better than us glum old Brits these days.We have Bonfire night for those that want to blow their own heads off! If you left any form of festival or celebration to us Brits these days most people would say "can't be arsed" and go to a pub-just for a change. As for Christmas if you really want to have a fun time how about shutting yourself in a room with no TV-Radio-internet for 48 hours and bemoan how fings aint wot vey used to be?? ;0)
  • Love Christmas, always have done, for me, xmas eve night is the best night for the pub, best atmosphere, as 99% of the punters aren't working next day and are looking forward to a good day with the family etc and are relaxed, much better night than NYE for me, where the emphasis just seems to be on getting lagged up as quickly as possible, and as I get older I enjoy NYE less & less.

    Halloween, can take it or leave it personally, like to see the kids enjoy it though and the costumes etc, so why not?
  • [cite]Posted By: DA9[/cite]Love Christmas, always have done, for me, xmas eve night is the best night for the pub, best atmosphere, as 99% of the punters aren't working next day and are looking forward to a good day with the family etc and are relaxed, much better night than NYE for me, where the emphasis just seems to be on getting lagged up as quickly as possible, and as I get older I enjoy NYE less & less.

    Halloween, can take it or leave it personally, like to see the kids enjoy it though and the costumes etc, so why not?

    Yeah, summarises it well for me as well.
  • Well said Pilchard and DA9

    After the Xmas I had last year (spent in Whitechapel Hospital with a child with pnuemonia) I'm looking forward to a good day opening presents, reading new books, eating a big roast and seeing family.

    All these events are what you make them, stop moaning because someone else is having more fun that you and start living.
  • Im off to London Dungeon saturday night for Halloween, dont usually celebrate it to be honest but going with a few mates all dressed up (Alex out of clockwork Orange for me!). I think its a great time for the kids, but like someone said earlier, its the 14 year olds with half a costime that do my head in.

    Agree with DA9, Xmas eve is the best night of the year, having a good booze in a packed local. Good times.
  • edited October 2009
    [cite]Posted By: carly burn[/cite]Wasn't it Jesus that famously turned bread and water into meat and wine?
    I don't recall Jesus's making-of-the-meat miracle. Shame, because it sounds like a good one.
  • [cite]Posted By: Ru1986[/cite]I am aware that some of you on her have small children so i can understand they would want to celebrate it i will of course be in Carlise for Halloween anyway but is this not the most pointless holiday ever meaningless americanised moneymaker what a waste of time.

    I've two observations about Haloween:-

    1. In Scotland they go "guising" which involves the kids dressing up and doing some kind of a turn. Much better idea as it gets them into the idea of earning the treats rather than vaguely threatening folk as they do here with the Trick or Treat thing.
    2. I went to an American Haloween party and it's a weird thing, but Haloween seems to be a licence for American women to dress up like S&M call-girls. If this was brought in over here, along with pumkin pie, more people would be keener on Haloween as it doesn't involve going to church, the queen banging on or loads of repeats and terrible TV "specials" (the Simpsons excepted).
  • [cite]Posted By: DA9[/cite]Love Christmas, always have done, for me, xmas eve night is the best night for the pub, best atmosphere, as 99% of the punters aren't working next day and are looking forward to a good day with the family etc and are relaxed, much better night than NYE for me, where the emphasis just seems to be on getting lagged up as quickly as possible, and as I get older I enjoy NYE less & less.

    Halloween, can take it or leave it personally, like to see the kids enjoy it though and the costumes etc, so why not?

    Spot on mate.
  • [cite]Posted By: March51[/cite]Yes Dazzler, you thinking of dressing up then? Pointy hats were selling fast!
    gotta be done i think!lol dress down day at work tomorrow lol
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