Russ Conway : the poor man's Mrs Mills The Ronettes : Beverley Sisters every time (one married a footballer, oops, wrong thread) Prince : not even close to Screaming Lord Sutch
[cite]Posted By: stonemuse[/cite]3. U2 - I loved this band when they first started, and the first 3/4 albums are great ... but for the last 10 years, you have got to be joking.
i'd say the last 20 years.pre 1990 they were mustard.
On second thoughts, everything post 1989 I'm with you. The last album was good - but nothing like the earlier stuff. Everything up to 'Justice' is absolutely, unequivocably unfuckingbelievably good
Blimey, Seth, that's random; I thought everyone would have forgotten them by now.
What you might call, out of left field (the same one you keep your goat? ;-)
[cite]Posted By:Henry Irving[/cite]
why do people insist on starting music threads on a football site? ; - )
Mmm, yeh. Who started this nonsense ;-)
have to distinguish between overated ie queen and were great but went bad ie rod stewart and stevie wonder.
There might be an argument that Queen were slightly underrated before Freddie died. But death was certainly the making of them.
Where do you start with Stevie Wonder, though?
Uptight? Classic. I was made to love her? Brilliant! For once in my life? Steady, now.
My Cherie Amour; Isn't she lovely; Ebony and Ivory; You are the sunshine of my life? - Pass the sick bucket!!!!!!
Six
When the Thompson Twins came out many regarded them as the future of serious popular music, but in reality they were gimmicky and rubbish.
...while we're about it how come John lennons Imagine is so highly regarded, isn't there a point where a persons own ststus should at least chime a bit with their songs, and they seem to mean it...check out youtube and Billie Holliday Strange Fruit to get my drift (not music that's a barrel of laughs)?
Pop that is happy lightweight and fun is honest, but pretentiousness really gets me mad.....I like it if I can believe it. Mind you,Van Morrison sweats music, it's impossible not to respect that.
Leroy's comment made me laugh. I was just walking along thinking how f***ing good the Arctic Monkeys are....and the Libertines????! Oh man, what a band. Most overrated currently is Coldplay. I can't believe how that prick makes a living. Lucky boy. When he wrote "make trade fair" on his hand, I started supporting unfair trade. He better not come to any boozer in sutton spouting his student crap or I will give him a square go:) And yeah, Radiohead. The emporers new clothes. They gave up music in favour of random noise after ok computer. But you're not allowed to say it!
Whoaa Seth, you're getting too deep for the constraints of a harmless fun "five-of" thread!!
The Thompson Twins as the future of serious popular music? Did anybody really think that? (Guffaw. Sure went over my head!)
"how come John Lennon's Imagine is so highly regarded?".
How, indeed.
I remember Lennon quoted at the time as saying Imagine (the album) was "just Plastic Ono Band (previous album) with sugar on".
I've often wondered about the sincerity of the song imagine- surely Lennon was too caustic and cynical to be fooled even by himself.
As to the album ; time hasn't done it any favours and I'm sure there would have been no end of detrimental reappraisals had his untimely death not made it virtually untouchable.
Personally I hate the song Imagine.
Give me the genius of In My Life; Strawberry Fields; A day in the life; I am the Walrus not the self obsessed, self-serving "art" he created under Yoko's influence.
As to the album ; time hasn't done it any favours and I'm sure there would have been no end of detrimental reappraisals had his untimely death not made it virtually untouchable....... Six-a-bag-of-nuts have to agree with you there, and i was not impressed at the time. One of the reasons why I read The Lives of John Lennon by Albert Goldman, an although I do not agree with a lot of his conclusions, I still feel that Lennon was a very flawed genius who's drive/spite/ talent was a very double edged sword that John himself fell on. I admired his bravery to do something outside 'pop', but besides cold Turkey, and Walls and bridges Mind games the plastic ono sage was an embarrassing failure.
Lennon himself wanted to cut the ties of the Beatles more than any of the other Beatles, so the commentators of the time claim. John was an artist, who for a time became a self indulgent 'piss artist' , and pisssed his talent away, wether baking bread, or his involvement with Yoko. But as they say his choice, and the indulgence he wallowed in, he worked and earned for some of the memorable tunes he wrote. ' Imagine' is an anthem of it's time.......which I am sure Lennon would get to despise, because that was the paradox of Lennon, the man who wrote popular songs, who despised writing them, and ended up baking bread, instead of making it through his music IMO..
Lennon himself wanted to cut the ties of the Beatles more than any of the other Beatles, so the commentators of the time claim. John was an artist, who for a time became a self indulgent 'piss artist' , and pisssed his talent away, wether baking bread, or his involvement with Yoko. But as they say his choice, and the indulgence he wallowed in, he worked and earned for some of the memorable tunes he wrote. ' Imagine' is an anthem of it's time.......which I am sure Lennon would get to despise, because that was the paradox of Lennon, the man who wrote popular songs, who despised writing them, and ended up baking bread, instead of making it through his music IMO..
Great post Ken.
I think there's probably a strong case for citing John Lennon the solo artist as vastly overrated.
The Wedding Album; Life with the Lions; Imagine; Sometime in New York City; the 80's comeback (can't even remember the titles) - range from the average to the unlistenable.
Take a listen to any of the 'best of' type compilations and sit grinding your teeth.
The Plastic Ono Band ("primal") is the only one worthy of his name; but I find myself admiring it rather than ever playing it.
As you say, he dispised some of his own songs, just because he considered them lightweight or not first person "art".
Shame.
[cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]
Bowie Good up to I don't know when but Tin Machine OMG!
Bowie was my favourite artist of the 70's.
Who else was tackling subject matter with the depth and intelligence of the songs on Hunky Dory and dressing it up in great tunes and melodies?
Wearing different clothes for subsequent albums kept his work fascinating and huge fun.
I thought it had started to wear a little thin by Heroes (the album not the song) and Lodger, but for me Scary Monsters was his gloria swanson (sorry, glorious swansong).
I've tried, I really have, to enjoy his later work, but I just don't like it.
As for Queen being underated. How can you under rate puerile rubbish like that. Worse. Band. Ever.
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Excuse me this is a music site. Go find somewhere else to post your football threads
Radio Head
Pink Floyd (after Syd)
Manic Street Preachers
Foo Fighters
NNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Ronettes : Beverley Sisters every time (one married a footballer, oops, wrong thread)
Prince : not even close to Screaming Lord Sutch
Oh yes
Kiss
The Beastie Boys
Aerosmith
Coldplay
i'd say the last 20 years.pre 1990 they were mustard.
oasis would be my main shout.
On second thoughts, everything post 1989 I'm with you. The last album was good - but nothing like the earlier stuff. Everything up to 'Justice' is absolutely, unequivocably unfuckingbelievably good
Blimey, Seth, that's random; I thought everyone would have forgotten them by now.
What you might call, out of left field (the same one you keep your goat? ;-)
There might be an argument that Queen were slightly underrated before Freddie died. But death was certainly the making of them.
Where do you start with Stevie Wonder, though?
Uptight? Classic. I was made to love her? Brilliant! For once in my life? Steady, now.
My Cherie Amour; Isn't she lovely; Ebony and Ivory; You are the sunshine of my life? - Pass the sick bucket!!!!!!
When the Thompson Twins came out many regarded them as the future of serious popular music, but in reality they were gimmicky and rubbish.
...while we're about it how come John lennons Imagine is so highly regarded, isn't there a point where a persons own ststus should at least chime a bit with their songs, and they seem to mean it...check out youtube and Billie Holliday Strange Fruit to get my drift (not music that's a barrel of laughs)?
Pop that is happy lightweight and fun is honest, but pretentiousness really gets me mad.....I like it if I can believe it. Mind you,Van Morrison sweats music, it's impossible not to respect that.
Most overrated currently is Coldplay. I can't believe how that prick makes a living. Lucky boy. When he wrote "make trade fair" on his hand, I started supporting unfair trade. He better not come to any boozer in sutton spouting his student crap or I will give him a square go:)
And yeah, Radiohead. The emporers new clothes. They gave up music in favour of random noise after ok computer. But you're not allowed to say it!
The Thompson Twins as the future of serious popular music? Did anybody really think that? (Guffaw. Sure went over my head!)
"how come John Lennon's Imagine is so highly regarded?".
How, indeed.
I remember Lennon quoted at the time as saying Imagine (the album) was "just Plastic Ono Band (previous album) with sugar on".
I've often wondered about the sincerity of the song imagine- surely Lennon was too caustic and cynical to be fooled even by himself.
As to the album ; time hasn't done it any favours and I'm sure there would have been no end of detrimental reappraisals had his untimely death not made it virtually untouchable.
Personally I hate the song Imagine.
Give me the genius of In My Life; Strawberry Fields; A day in the life; I am the Walrus not the self obsessed, self-serving "art" he created under Yoko's influence.
Six-a-bag-of-nuts have to agree with you there, and i was not impressed at the time. One of the reasons why I read The Lives of John Lennon by Albert Goldman, an although I do not agree with a lot of his conclusions, I still feel that Lennon was a very flawed genius who's drive/spite/ talent was a very double edged sword that John himself fell on. I admired his bravery to do something outside 'pop', but besides cold Turkey, and Walls and bridges Mind games the plastic ono sage was an embarrassing failure.
Lennon himself wanted to cut the ties of the Beatles more than any of the other Beatles, so the commentators of the time claim. John was an artist, who for a time became a self indulgent 'piss artist' , and pisssed his talent away, wether baking bread, or his involvement with Yoko. But as they say his choice, and the indulgence he wallowed in, he worked and earned for some of the memorable tunes he wrote. ' Imagine' is an anthem of it's time.......which I am sure Lennon would get to despise, because that was the paradox of Lennon, the man who wrote popular songs, who despised writing them, and ended up baking bread, instead of making it through his music IMO..
Coldplay
Pink Floyd
Genesis
Sex Pistols
All a lot of shite, with a the odd standout track
U2
Bon Jovi
Robbie Williams
Anyone from R&B / Hip Hop Genre
Rod was great in the Faces and solo up to Atlantic crossing then poor
Van Morrison - Great, Great Great up to the 80s.
Stones - Great up to Exile then a few OK singles and tracks. Maybe.
Bowie Good up to I don't know when but Tin Machine OMG!
As for Queen being underated. How can you under rate puerile rubbish like that. Worse. Band. Ever.
totally agree .
And THE MAN!
My old man would back you up and i have no problem with the floyd. Wouldnt rush out and dowload their albums but they are not offenseive to me.
I think there's probably a strong case for citing John Lennon the solo artist as vastly overrated.
The Wedding Album; Life with the Lions; Imagine; Sometime in New York City; the 80's comeback (can't even remember the titles) - range from the average to the unlistenable.
Take a listen to any of the 'best of' type compilations and sit grinding your teeth.
The Plastic Ono Band ("primal") is the only one worthy of his name; but I find myself admiring it rather than ever playing it.
As you say, he dispised some of his own songs, just because he considered them lightweight or not first person "art".
Shame.
LOL
I stand corrected and chastened.
(He's still crap, though ;-)
Bob Dylan - Anything after Desire (other than the wonderful Xmas LP)
Could Add Beatles after Revolver but don't want to upset all the old 60s heads on here : - )
Who else was tackling subject matter with the depth and intelligence of the songs on Hunky Dory and dressing it up in great tunes and melodies?
Wearing different clothes for subsequent albums kept his work fascinating and huge fun.
I thought it had started to wear a little thin by Heroes (the album not the song) and Lodger, but for me Scary Monsters was his gloria swanson (sorry, glorious swansong).
I've tried, I really have, to enjoy his later work, but I just don't like it.
Get off the flippin' fence why don't you? ;-)
Everything that's been tainted with Simon Cowell, X-F*ctor, Britains got no talent, etc etc etc