[cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]Who will mention this woman first in the Leaders debate Clegg or Cameron?
Cameron is 2/5 on but Clegg at 2 - 1 seems better value : - )
Neither of them I reckon.
The fuss was about Eastern European immigrants, in other words immigrants from the EU.
They won't want to admit that they are powerless to do anything about EU immigration especially Cameron who pretends to be Eurosceptic at election time.
The "Tory Press" as some like to call it might not let it go but I think Brown will get away with it as far as the debate is concerned. All he has to say in response is that this is EU immigration and you are in favour of being in the EU.
no they could rub it in that Labour government gave them work visas 7 years before nearly all other EU states and were expecting 12,000 when the number was in the hundreds of thousands if not higher. I think they were trying to reduce the cost of plumbers and plasterers at the time.
[cite]Posted By: MrOneLung[/cite]What makes me laugh is Mandelsons comment - along lines of 'you shouldnt focus on what he said, but on how he has handled the apology' !!!!
Brilliant. A better and proper definition of Spin you could not find. Don't focus on that focus on what we tell you to.
Got a candidate in Hitchen and Harpenden in the 'Citizens for Undead Rights and Equality' party.
I'm sure there is some deep satire about being taken for brain dead by governments there if you want to dig deep enough but i just thought it was funny and wanted to share http://www.votecure.com/vote/
she did speak to the press briefly after. She said she was upset bout it then she went on about her pension. When i first heard it on the wireless it made me laugh but after watching her say she was upset i felt downright sorry for her and for the spot light she is now under. Bet she wants the world to go away. Poor lady
Labour have nothing to lose now. From now until election day, every poster, every sound bite, every address to the country, should ask the simple question again and again; 'Do you want the country to be governed by representatives of the rich english ruling class, the landed gentry, who send their children to Eton where they are taught to regard thenselves as the natural ruling class?'
Every High Street in the country should have these pictures plastered all over them. (Cameron is the preening, arrogant smug looking shit standing second from left, Boris Johnson is sitting on the right. I don't think Osborne is in this photo.)
Maybe they should show this one as well. This is a time when ordinary folk really did look up to the toffs as their betters. Are we ready to go back to those days?
[cite]Posted By: Red_in_SE8[/cite]Labour have nothing to lose now. From now until election day, every poster, every sound bite, every address to the country, should ask the simple question again and again; 'Do you want the country to be governed by representatives of the rich english ruling class, the landed gentry, who send their children to Eton where they are taught to regard thenselves as the natural ruling class?'
Every High Street in the country should have these pictures plastered all over them. (Cameron is the standing figure second from left, Boris Johnson is sitting on the right. I don't think Osborne is in this photo.)
Maybe they should show this one as well. This is a time when ordinary folk really did look up to the toffs as their betters. Are we ready to go back to those days?
Whilst sympathising with your sentiments - and detesting the likes of Cameron - Labour have hardly been lock-step with the working-class these past 13 years, have they?
* The Iraq War - sending working-class kids off to die for GWB.
* Introduction of university fees - pricing working-class kids out of higher education.
* Bottling out of the immigration debate completely and leaving their working-class strongholds to the BNP.
* Sidelining their best working-class talent (Cruddas, Johnson) in favor of their own Oxbridge set (Millibands, Lammy etc)
I would rather have anyone but the Tories but Labour have not done themselves any favors over the last decade over so many policy areas.
Red_in_SE8, I read an article about the second photo there a few months ago. If I remember correctly, the thoughts of the boys in it are nothing like what we'd assume (arrogant rich looking down on the 'scruffs'). I can't remember the whole story, but I think it was outside a park where Eton were playing Harrow in their big cricket match. The two boys in suits were waiting for family members, while the other boys were down to see the big event, and maybe try and get little jobs for themselves for the day (not begging, by the way). A photographer asked them to stand a little closer together, but neither group passed judgement on the other. In the end, the suited boy looking away died a couple of years later in India, while the other suited boy spent the rest of his life dealing with 'that photo' that had painted him in the worst possible light, and it was used repeatedly for any newspaper article about class divide.
Henry, I disagree with your system. Here's the multiseat system I was proposing in my third point (Scotland, Ireland, Australia), described through cartoons to Canadians Video 1 Video 2
Give it up Red in SE8, the party is over. Labour will be lucky to get 25% of the popular vote. Their claim to be the party of the working class can be firmly put to bed now, they have long been the party of the union leaders, immigrants and benefit scroungers. Maybe one day you too will grow out of the idea that the socialist utopia is possible and face reality. Most of us start our adult life with socialist views, most of us grow out of it and learn that human nature requires that social problems need more than just throwing money at problems, ala Labour 1997-2010 (RIP). It seems from comments on here that the labour left will turn on their 'posh' boys (and girls Harriet) but without the new labour posh kids, they are clearly unelectable (even more so than now) so a split is not in their interests as the Lib dems will take over as the only alternative to the conservatives. They need to pull together and think about where they go from here, they need to re connect with the working class, those that are working hard to bring up their families and focus less on special interest groups. Above all they have to show they understand the difficulties faced by those in work and cut back on the benefit system which gives the impression of only helping those who don't want to work. They have a rocky road ahead.
As for the tory posh boys, I have no problem with educated people running the country, as long as they do what is best for the long term future of the country and get us back to where we were 13 years ago with a healthier economy and outlook, it will not be easy for the posh lib dems or the posh Tories, whichever party ends up running the country, especially when they find the true extent of the liabilities.
[cite]Posted By: Steve Dowman[/cite]Give it up Red in SE8, the party is over. Labour will be lucky to get 25% of the popular vote. Their claim to be the party of the working class can be firmly put to bed now, they have long been the party of the union leaders, immigrants and benefit scroungers. Maybe one day you too will grow out of the idea that the socialist utopia is possible and face reality. Most of us start our adult life with socialist views, most of us grow out of it and learn that human nature requires that social problems need more than just throwing money at problems, ala Labour 1997-2010 (RIP). It seems from comments on here that the labour left will turn on their 'posh' boys (and girls Harriet) but without the new labour posh kids, they are clearly unelectable (even more so than now) so a split is not in their interests as the Lib dems will take over as the only alternative to the conservatives. They need to pull together and think about where they go from here, they need to re connect with the working class, those that are working hard to bring up their families and focus less on special interest groups. Above all they have to show they understand the difficulties faced by those in work and cut back on the benefit system which gives the impression of only helping those who don't want to work. They have a rocky road ahead.
As for the tory posh boys, I have no problem with educated people running the country, as long as they do what is best for the long term future of the country and get us back to where we were 13 years ago with a healthier economy and outlook, it will not be easy for the posh lib dems or the posh Tories, whichever party ends up running the country, especially when they find the true extent of the liabilities.
You have some very outdated views if you think Labour is a socialist party and that everyone who votes for them have ideas of a socialist Utopia. The modern Labour party is a left of centre party in the modern European tradition. It is no more socialist than Obama's Democrats. Despite Rupert Murdoch's Fox channel spending the whole of the last presidential campaign trying to portray Obama as a socialist. You should try and obtain some views and analysis from the non Murdoch sections of the media.
So what if they went to a 'posh' fee paying school.
How does that mean they cannot be good MP's or PM's or that they are out of touch with you and me?
Is a council estate born and bred MP unable to grasp foreign affairs or be able to have views on how to get businesses working and lower unemployment rates?
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Don't think that and didn't say it
So Bigot Lady: how did he do on your Shwingometer?
Cameron is 2/5 on but Clegg at 2 - 1 seems better value : - )
have you got any saucy photos or tales.
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Neither of them I reckon.
The fuss was about Eastern European immigrants, in other words immigrants from the EU.
They won't want to admit that they are powerless to do anything about EU immigration especially Cameron who pretends to be Eurosceptic at election time.
The "Tory Press" as some like to call it might not let it go but I think Brown will get away with it as far as the debate is concerned. All he has to say in response is that this is EU immigration and you are in favour of being in the EU.
Cue jokes about her giving GB "Mercy" and her "raining on his Parade"
edited for accuracy : - )
Brilliant. A better and proper definition of Spin you could not find. Don't focus on that focus on what we tell you to.
I'm sure there is some deep satire about being taken for brain dead by governments there if you want to dig deep enough but i just thought it was funny and wanted to share http://www.votecure.com/vote/
Every High Street in the country should have these pictures plastered all over them. (Cameron is the preening, arrogant smug looking shit standing second from left, Boris Johnson is sitting on the right. I don't think Osborne is in this photo.)
Maybe they should show this one as well. This is a time when ordinary folk really did look up to the toffs as their betters. Are we ready to go back to those days?
Whilst sympathising with your sentiments - and detesting the likes of Cameron - Labour have hardly been lock-step with the working-class these past 13 years, have they?
* The Iraq War - sending working-class kids off to die for GWB.
* Introduction of university fees - pricing working-class kids out of higher education.
* Bottling out of the immigration debate completely and leaving their working-class strongholds to the BNP.
* Sidelining their best working-class talent (Cruddas, Johnson) in favor of their own Oxbridge set (Millibands, Lammy etc)
I would rather have anyone but the Tories but Labour have not done themselves any favors over the last decade over so many policy areas.
Henry, I disagree with your system. Here's the multiseat system I was proposing in my third point (Scotland, Ireland, Australia), described through cartoons to Canadians
Video 1
Video 2
As for the tory posh boys, I have no problem with educated people running the country, as long as they do what is best for the long term future of the country and get us back to where we were 13 years ago with a healthier economy and outlook, it will not be easy for the posh lib dems or the posh Tories, whichever party ends up running the country, especially when they find the true extent of the liabilities.
You have some very outdated views if you think Labour is a socialist party and that everyone who votes for them have ideas of a socialist Utopia. The modern Labour party is a left of centre party in the modern European tradition. It is no more socialist than Obama's Democrats. Despite Rupert Murdoch's Fox channel spending the whole of the last presidential campaign trying to portray Obama as a socialist. You should try and obtain some views and analysis from the non Murdoch sections of the media.
How does that mean they cannot be good MP's or PM's or that they are out of touch with you and me?
Is a council estate born and bred MP unable to grasp foreign affairs or be able to have views on how to get businesses working and lower unemployment rates?
Did it really matter then? I have no problem with peoples backgrounds, i have problems with somebody I believe is running the country badly.