[cite]Posted By: InspectorSands[/cite]A lot of water's flowed under the bridge in the six-and-a-half years since a younger Parker got dazzled by money.
Save your contempt for Chelsea, not the player.
Respect your opinion but my contempt for him has not changed in the six years.
It's a slippery slope, but I very much doubt that a nation of England's ambition will mourn the loss of players of the "quality" of Air-Shot-Robbo and Alien Nation, but have to say that playing for England should be the pinnacle of an English player's career, so these guys still deserve contempt for their decision.
I can understand Scholes or Shearer trying to wring an extra couple of years out of their career, but not to just quit for no reason because you don't feel you're being given enough pitch time!
Until the Premier League decides what its main purpose is, then this unedifying chaos will continue. Is the Premier League supposed to help the formation of a national team or is it there to produce quality football as a spectacle? Trying to play both roles isn't working, has never really worked, and the same old questions go on and on. It's a shambles and it may be that if players refuse to play, then some real and effective changes may result. It's not Fabio that has jeopardised England's future, it's a systemic failure of governance.
[cite]Posted By: Chunes[/cite]I didn't mean the keeper situation specifically, more like the media's cry to bring on the youngsters. Capello obeys.
OK. How many first choice English right backs are there in the Premier League apart from Johnson 'cos I'm struggling to think of too many.
Let's also remember he's probably also building for the 2020 World Cup and not 2016 as we've got no chance whatsoever of winning in South America.
you mean 2018 (hopefully here) and 2014 in Rio....correct, we'll never win over there, best hope is to qualify, take a young squad for experience with a view to 2018 if we get it.
[cite]Posted By: Chunes[/cite]I didn't mean the keeper situation specifically, more like the media's cry to bring on the youngsters. Capello obeys.
OK. How many first choice English right backs are there in the Premier League apart from Johnson 'cos I'm struggling to think of too many.
Let's also remember he's probably also building for the 2020 World Cup and not 2016 as we've got no chance whatsoever of winning in South America.
you mean 2018 (hopefully here) and 2014 in Rio....correct, we'll never win over there, best hope is to qualify, take a young squad for experience with a view to 2018 if we get it.
OOPS yes that's want I meant.
Still thinking about the right back spot and can't see a single obvious candidate playing in that position apart from Johnson and Richards but he isn't a fixture at City and not sure if CB isn't his position.
[cite]Posted By: Chunes[/cite]I didn't mean the keeper situation specifically, more like the media's cry to bring on the youngsters. Capello obeys.
OK. How many first choice English right backs are there in the Premier League apart from Johnson 'cos I'm struggling to think of too many.
Let's also remember he's probably also building for the 2020 World Cup and not 2016 as we've got no chance whatsoever of winning in South America.
you mean 2018 (hopefully here) and 2014 in Rio....correct, we'll never win over there, best hope is to qualify, take a young squad for experience with a view to 2018 if we get it.
OOPS yes that's want I meant.
Still thinking about the right back spot and can't see a single obvious candidate playing in that position apart from Johnson and Richards but he isn't a fixture at City and not sure if CB isn't his position.
Admittedly not right now but if we're talking about a side for the 2014 or 2018 world cups then i think either Kyle Naughton at Spurs or Nathaniel Clyne at Palace (who will surely leave them soon) are the future England right backs.
[cite]Posted By: Chunes[/cite]I didn't mean the keeper situation specifically, more like the media's cry to bring on the youngsters. Capello obeys.
OK. How many first choice English right backs are there in the Premier League apart from Johnson 'cos I'm struggling to think of too many.
Let's also remember he's probably also building for the 2020 World Cup and not 2016 as we've got no chance whatsoever of winning in South America.
you mean 2018 (hopefully here) and 2014 in Rio....correct, we'll never win over there, best hope is to qualify, take a young squad for experience with a view to 2018 if we get it.
OOPS yes that's want I meant.
Still thinking about the right back spot and can't see a single obvious candidate playing in that position apart from Johnson and Richards but he isn't a fixture at City and not sure if CB isn't his position.
Admittedly not right now but if we're talking about a side for the 2014 or 2018 world cups then i think either Kyle Naughton at Spurs or Nathaniel Clyne at Palace (who will surely leave them soon) are the future England right backs.
Fair point but Capello can only pick what's in front of him now and that is next to nothing. In Naughton and Clyne we are also making the assumption that they will "train on" and be given their chance to show what they can do. Neither of those are certainties.
We used to produce Keepers and Full Backs as if they grew on trees.
I don't get it that its an anti english thing, I think its more likely to do with the enormous sums that a lot of these 'stars' get paid - sadly money being the main thing for a lot of folk, I blame Thatcher.. meaning their club teams are much more important.
and probably the rigours of playing in the Premiership which being the richest league in world is probably also the toughest physically and mentally
[cite]Posted By: bobbing along[/cite]Watching Clyne in the Under 19s versus Spain, he is nowhere near good enough. Was absolutely ripped apart by their left mid.
True but if you'd watched the World cup and didn't know who Wayne Rooney was, you'd have said he was nowhere near good enough.
No Glenn, lets NOT forget what a complete and utter shambles you were. Lets remember what it felt like and work that much harder to make sure it doesn't happen again eh? I very much doubt that you'd have the same attitude if you'd saved up for several years to go and support your country only to be 'treated' to that level of performance.
I f*cking hate it when players come out and say "the players were more disappointed than the fans."
No Glen, when you lot trotted off on your 5 star luxury holidays within a day or 2 of us being knocked out, it was the fans who were gutted and you lot couldn't give a sh*t.
I don't blame players for dropping out of the England squad.
What is the point of being in a squad of players only to to watch the same names being picked all the time ahead of you, no matter who is currently at the top of their game. Basically, they must feel they are only being picked as bodies for the training pitch.
I'll refer to the cases of Scott Parker and Darren Bent, for obvious reasons, but there are many more.
[cite]Posted By: razil[/cite]I love all this stuff about England and the WC, for me its simple
you pick your best players available for the positions available
if you don't win the world cup there are several explanations
*you didn't have enough good players
*you were unlucky, injuries flukes etc
*your manager was w@nk
*all of the above
simple really
For me i'm starting to think more and more that it was Capello at fault.
In an interview with David James today he said England watched videos of Algeria and set out how to face them. The problem was they'd watched videos of Algeria dominating sides in African qualifying and also at the ANC but all Algeria did against England was defend. I'm sorry but that's just amateurish. Did we really honestly expect Algeria to attack us as though they were playing Burkina Faso or Guinea!
[cite]Posted By: LenGlover[/cite]We could do a lot worse than pick players who actually have some pride in their country, want to play and regard it as an honour.
Hopefully 11 exist given the anti-English and anti- British drip, drip, drip throughout the media over many years.
A lot of the more popular players were merrily predicting an England romp to the world cup, with their 6 World CLASS players and various other nonsense. I think a bit more of a measured approach from the media about the national team can only be a good thing.
The fact that two comedy players who should never be near the squad have become turncoats shouldn't be a concern, although I have nothing but contempt for them as individuals.
[cite]Posted By: Chunes[/cite]To be fair Glen Johnson is one of the thickest footballers on the entire planet. So I wouldn't take anything he says too seriously.
He probably HAS forgotten about the world cup.
The trouble is though I suspect that he is all too typical of the attitude in the dressing room. We NEVER seem to learn from our mistakes yet our players are all too ready to believe the hype pumped out by Sky and the red tops and I expect if you asked them today they'd say that they think they'll be in a withy a chance of winning the Euros in a couple of years despite all evidence pointing to the contrary.
Seriously i know Capello has to be seen to be drafting in some new blood after the world cup debacle but honestly are Scott Loach and Frankie Fielding the answer to our problems?!
[cite]Posted By: Chris_from_Sidcup[/cite]Seriously i know Capello has to be seen to be drafting in some new blood after the world cup debacle but honestly are Scott Loach and Frankie Fielding the answer to our problems?!
[cite]Posted By: Chris_from_Sidcup[/cite]Seriously i know Capello has to be seen to be drafting in some new blood after the world cup debacle but honestly are Scott Loach and Frankie Fielding the answer to our problems?!
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Respect your opinion but my contempt for him has not changed in the six years.
OK. How many first choice English right backs are there in the Premier League apart from Johnson 'cos I'm struggling to think of too many.
Let's also remember he's probably also building for the 2020 World Cup and not 2016 as we've got no chance whatsoever of winning in South America.
Cashley Cole snubbed the man cappelo at wembley, Brown and Robinson quit,
the future of England is in jeperdy under the reign of fabio it seems
I can understand Scholes or Shearer trying to wring an extra couple of years out of their career, but not to just quit for no reason because you don't feel you're being given enough pitch time!
i am 30 now it is time for the younger players to be given a chance and picked
you mean 2018 (hopefully here) and 2014 in Rio....correct, we'll never win over there, best hope is to qualify, take a young squad for experience with a view to 2018 if we get it.
OOPS yes that's want I meant.
Still thinking about the right back spot and can't see a single obvious candidate playing in that position apart from Johnson and Richards but he isn't a fixture at City and not sure if CB isn't his position.
Admittedly not right now but if we're talking about a side for the 2014 or 2018 world cups then i think either Kyle Naughton at Spurs or Nathaniel Clyne at Palace (who will surely leave them soon) are the future England right backs.
Fair point but Capello can only pick what's in front of him now and that is next to nothing. In Naughton and Clyne we are also making the assumption that they will "train on" and be given their chance to show what they can do. Neither of those are certainties.
We used to produce Keepers and Full Backs as if they grew on trees.
Hopefully 11 exist given the anti-English and anti- British drip, drip, drip throughout the media over many years.
and probably the rigours of playing in the Premiership which being the richest league in world is probably also the toughest physically and mentally
thats passion and commitment
True but if you'd watched the World cup and didn't know who Wayne Rooney was, you'd have said he was nowhere near good enough.
Forget the World Cup.
No Glenn, lets NOT forget what a complete and utter shambles you were. Lets remember what it felt like and work that much harder to make sure it doesn't happen again eh? I very much doubt that you'd have the same attitude if you'd saved up for several years to go and support your country only to be 'treated' to that level of performance.
Blanc had the right idea...
No Glen, when you lot trotted off on your 5 star luxury holidays within a day or 2 of us being knocked out, it was the fans who were gutted and you lot couldn't give a sh*t.
What is the point of being in a squad of players only to to watch the same names being picked all the time ahead of you, no matter who is currently at the top of their game. Basically, they must feel they are only being picked as bodies for the training pitch.
I'll refer to the cases of Scott Parker and Darren Bent, for obvious reasons, but there are many more.
He probably HAS forgotten about the world cup.
you pick your best players available for the positions available
if you don't win the world cup there are several explanations
*you didn't have enough good players
*you were unlucky, injuries flukes etc
*your manager was w@nk
*all of the above
simple really
Contrary to reports Darren Bent is NOT out of the current England squad, he does have a bad back is still in contention.
For me i'm starting to think more and more that it was Capello at fault.
In an interview with David James today he said England watched videos of Algeria and set out how to face them. The problem was they'd watched videos of Algeria dominating sides in African qualifying and also at the ANC but all Algeria did against England was defend. I'm sorry but that's just amateurish. Did we really honestly expect Algeria to attack us as though they were playing Burkina Faso or Guinea!
The fact that two comedy players who should never be near the squad have become turncoats shouldn't be a concern, although I have nothing but contempt for them as individuals.
The trouble is though I suspect that he is all too typical of the attitude in the dressing room. We NEVER seem to learn from our mistakes yet our players are all too ready to believe the hype pumped out by Sky and the red tops and I expect if you asked them today they'd say that they think they'll be in a withy a chance of winning the Euros in a couple of years despite all evidence pointing to the contrary.
Who?!!
Indeed. See #32. And it isn't going to improve in the forseeable future.