[cite]Posted By: iainment[/cite]How is having a poppy on the shirt different from another charity, political or religious image?
Because of what it represents.
Hmmm. Not sure that his can't be said of any charity. Why shouldn't shirts have the symbol of sense or RNLI or Oxfam then - they all represent charities at least as worthy, as do many, many more.
Didn't Aston Villa wear a charity shirt (?Acorns) for a season or more a while back?
They did, and fair play to them. But that isn't the pint I'm trying to make - why ALL teams, with no allowance for any individual or team opt out?
Kind of agree with Iainment. As far as I can remember, I've always worn a poppy but this year it seemed a bit OTT. BBC presenters seems to start wearing them in October and absolutely everything seemed to be branded with them this weekend and last week.
Hope it doesn't get like the US where every public figure has to wear a stars&stripes badge all the time.
[cite]Posted By: iainment[/cite]How is having a poppy on the shirt different from another charity, political or religious image?
Because of what it represents.
Hmmm. Not sure that his can't be said of any charity. Why shouldn't shirts have the symbol of sense or RNLI or Oxfam then - they all represent charities at least as worthy, as do many, many more.
Didn't Aston Villa wear a charity shirt (?Acorns) for a season or more a while back?
They did, and fair play to them. But that isn't the pint I'm trying to make - why ALL teams, with no allowance for any individual or team opt out?
I see where you are coming from now.
I agree with you that it should be done because people want to do it rather than because they feel they have to.
It rather devalues the whole thing when you see hypocrites like Cameron, Clegg etc wearing poppies when they don't give a toss about the country or the soldiers that die for it.
Exactly, I have no problem with any bona fide charity collecting for their cause but this is, to coin a phrase, going over the top.
If my boss insisted I wear something like this I'd refuse on principle. Not because I'd necessarily disagree with the aims of the charity but because giving is voluntary and personal. And what if the next thing is a charity I actually fundamentally disagree with - like Life or public schools. I would be extremely unhappy about being a coerced billboard for them.
they all wore them because of a campaign from the Daily Mail: Appeal
Before United announced they'd do it too, the publicity they were receiving wasn't exactly positive: here
Agree that it cheapens them to be honest, 90% of the footballers couldn't give a monkeys, would have been much better if the players gave a week's earnings to the RBL rather than wear a shirt that someone else has orgainsed. Do you think anyone has donated to the RBL because their team were wearing a poppy?
On a side point a RA Gunner was part of the wreath laying group before KO at London Road.
At half time he was collecting on the away terrace for the RBL. Had a quick chat and turns out he comes from Woolwich and so was, in his words, very happy.
[cite]Posted By: allez les addicks[/cite]they all wore them because of a campaign from the Daily Mail:Appeal
Before United announced they'd do it too, the publicity they were receiving wasn't exactly positive:here
Agree that it cheapens them to be honest, 90% of the footballers couldn't give a monkeys, would have been much better if the players gave a week's earnings to the RBL rather than wear a shirt that someone else has orgainsed. Do you think anyone has donated to the RBL because their team were wearing a poppy?
How on earth does the Daily Mail think it can pontificate on this issue - a quick look at their history shows their contempt for democracy between the wars.
Sickening and hypocritical.
Everyone has a choice to donate or not - footballers, politicians and bankers.
It's a charity, so let them raise some money - what's wrong with that. I don't bank with KRBS but it doesn't upset me that they are on the shirts. Now if it was Virgin I would be upset (tax dodger).
Everyone has a choice to donate or not - footballers, politicians and bankers.
It's a charity, so let them raise some money - what's wrong with that. I don't bank with KRBS but it doesn't upset me that they are on the shirts. Now if it was Virgin I would be upset (tax dodger).
[cite]Posted By: PL54[/cite]Everyone has a choice to donate or not - footballers, politicians and bankers.
It's a charity, so let them raise some money - what's wrong with that. I don't bank with KRBS but it doesn't upset me that they are on the shirts. Now if it was Virgin I would be upset (tax dodger).
Is this charity envy ?
No, I have no problem with any charity attempting to maximise their income. I have reservations about those who seek to get poppies on anything that moves and those who won't accept that there are those who don't agree with this. I don't think that the League, PL or FA should be involved in deciding which charity should be promoted in this way. Especially when there are strict rules about players displaying slogans or images that are deemed political, christian stuff seems to escape this however but that's another story...
Club sponsorship is not the same issue at all - unless the league insists that all clubs have the same sponsor.
Hartlepool United are delighted to launch the 2020 Remembrance shirt which this year will show our gratitude to the service personnel who gave their lives in the Battle of Britain fought over the Summer and Autumn of 1940, 80 years ago.
Hartlepool United are delighted to launch the 2020 Remembrance shirt which this year will show our gratitude to the service personnel who gave their lives in the Battle of Britain fought over the Summer and Autumn of 1940, 80 years ago.
Hartlepool United are delighted to launch the 2020 Remembrance shirt which this year will show our gratitude to the service personnel who gave their lives in the Battle of Britain fought over the Summer and Autumn of 1940, 80 years ago.
Wowzer I like those shirts, our mob should do similar (too late now) I would certainly buy all our 3 shirts.
Hartlepool United are delighted to launch the 2020 Remembrance shirt which this year will show our gratitude to the service personnel who gave their lives in the Battle of Britain fought over the Summer and Autumn of 1940, 80 years ago.
Sorry, but am I the only one that thinks that shirt looks shit?
The chief exec even refers to it as a "fighter jet front and centre" ffs.
Smacks massively of commercialising rememberance to me. Unless they're giving away profits to a relevant good cause for charity?
Haven't seen a charity mentioned anywhere on their website or social media. Not to say they aren't selling them to raise money, but it's not at all transparent if they are.
It will have wider appeal for certain people. It would be nice if it was clear that at least a portion of the profits were going to an armed forces charity, even if it is not the poppy appeal.
Hartlepool United are delighted to launch the 2020 Remembrance shirt which this year will show our gratitude to the service personnel who gave their lives in the Battle of Britain fought over the Summer and Autumn of 1940, 80 years ago.
What (if any) is the significance of the colouring on the map (I.e. why is Cornwall & west Wales coloured in white & rest of the UK in grey)?
It will have wider appeal for certain people. It would be nice if it was clear that at least a portion of the profits were going to an armed forces charity, even if it is not the poppy appeal.
Guess that's personal taste, id have thought the standard poppy shirts would sell more tbh
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They did, and fair play to them. But that isn't the pint I'm trying to make - why ALL teams, with no allowance for any individual or team opt out?
Hope it doesn't get like the US where every public figure has to wear a stars&stripes badge all the time.
I think that Barcelona support Unicef ...
I see where you are coming from now.
I agree with you that it should be done because people want to do it rather than because they feel they have to.
It rather devalues the whole thing when you see hypocrites like Cameron, Clegg etc wearing poppies when they don't give a toss about the country or the soldiers that die for it.
If my boss insisted I wear something like this I'd refuse on principle. Not because I'd necessarily disagree with the aims of the charity but because giving is voluntary and personal. And what if the next thing is a charity I actually fundamentally disagree with - like Life or public schools. I would be extremely unhappy about being a coerced billboard for them.
Before United announced they'd do it too, the publicity they were receiving wasn't exactly positive: here
Agree that it cheapens them to be honest, 90% of the footballers couldn't give a monkeys, would have been much better if the players gave a week's earnings to the RBL rather than wear a shirt that someone else has orgainsed. Do you think anyone has donated to the RBL because their team were wearing a poppy?
At half time he was collecting on the away terrace for the RBL. Had a quick chat and turns out he comes from Woolwich and so was, in his words, very happy.
How on earth does the Daily Mail think it can pontificate on this issue - a quick look at their history shows their contempt for democracy between the wars.
Sickening and hypocritical.
It's a charity, so let them raise some money - what's wrong with that. I don't bank with KRBS but it doesn't upset me that they are on the shirts. Now if it was Virgin I would be upset (tax dodger).
Is this charity envy ?
It's a charity, so let them raise some money - what's wrong with that. I don't bank with KRBS but it doesn't upset me that they are on the shirts. Now if it was Virgin I would be upset (tax dodger).
Is this charity envy ?
No, I have no problem with any charity attempting to maximise their income. I have reservations about those who seek to get poppies on anything that moves and those who won't accept that there are those who don't agree with this. I don't think that the League, PL or FA should be involved in deciding which charity should be promoted in this way. Especially when there are strict rules about players displaying slogans or images that are deemed political, christian stuff seems to escape this however but that's another story...
Club sponsorship is not the same issue at all - unless the league insists that all clubs have the same sponsor.
Hartlepool United are delighted to launch the 2020 Remembrance shirt which this year will show our gratitude to the service personnel who gave their lives in the Battle of Britain fought over the Summer and Autumn of 1940, 80 years ago.
Although the shirts will probably fly off the shelf
The chief exec even refers to it as a "fighter jet front and centre" ffs.
Smacks massively of commercialising rememberance to me. Unless they're giving away profits to a relevant good cause or charity?
https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/sport/football/hartlepool-united-announce-new-limited-edition-battle-britain-remembrance-day-kit-along-new-sleeve-sponsor-3011678
But what about the profits from the 40 quid a pop shirts they're selling in the club shop?