Was just wondering if the people who were laying the blame wholly at Chris Powell's door for our run of defeats with vitriol and apparent relish will now be giving him any credit for two very decent points in the last two matches.
Or doesn't it work like that?
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Mate at game very damning and says not to let scoreline hide that we have "no leaders, no manager, no idea, no passion".
His words not mine but he was there.
Sounds like Dagenham again and that but for Robbie we'd have lost.
Seen goals on TV and have to say all four were scappy. Waggy bundled in off his chest I think, bad slice that was going in tipped onto bar to leave them a tap in, their 2nd took big deflection, ball bouncing around in melee when BWP snapped it up.
Up to 12th now.
In all honesty - we all love and want Chris Powell to get it right, even if some of us do mask the truth. The board say they are going to back him and spend in the summer. Maybe the best policy is to do things slow and correctly rather than spend and hope. Lets face it, a fair few of these players won't cut the mustard in the championship, so probably our best policy - is to just let Chrissy get on with his work and try learn to have a deeper understanding.
And yes with more thought, I have changed my opinion on the scenario
Are you Henry in disguise?
I am glad that there is no point in changing the management between now and the end of the season because it gives CP a chance to prove he is capable of leading the club next season, but if things don't improve then I think Slaters letter will be seen as what it is, an attempt to sell season tickets and bring stability and nothing else.
Two good results against Southampton and Bournemouth doesn't make up for the crap performances before. 3 draws and 7 defeats from the last 10 games is still not acceptable.
I said in earlier posts he is a nice bloke but a rubbish manager, and I stick by that.
However reading the letter by Michael Slater it would appear that he will be around for a while yet so we can judge how good he really is around November.
I am the complete opposite to you, think he will come good eventually & that this time next year we will be there or thereabouts. You cannot realistically judge him until he has had a pre-season & time to build his own team. People witter on about how Parky left us in 5th place in the first week of January, that means nothing, we were then only 3 points from where we are now - 12th.
12th is par for the course for this squad - Parky did well to build a team last summer, I salute him for that. I'm pleased Powell is here, i look forward to what the summer brings & I truly hope you are eating humble pie in 12 months time - don't you?
Credit where it's due.
Two good results against Southampton and Bournemouth doesn't make up for the crap performances before. 3 draws and 7 defeats from the last 10 games is still not acceptable.
I said in earlier posts he is a nice bloke but a rubbish manager, and I stick by that.
However reading the letter by Michael Slater it would appear that he will be around for a while yet so we can judge how good he really is around November.[/quote]
I am the complete opposite to you, think he will come good eventually & that this time next year we will be there or thereabouts. You cannot realistically judge him until he has had a pre-season & time to build his own team. People witter on about how Parky left us in 5th place in the first week of January, that means nothing, we were then only 3 points from where we are now - 12th.
12th is par for the course for this squad - Parky did well to build a team last summer, I salute him for that. I'm pleased Powell is here, i look forward to what the summer brings & I truly hope you are eating humble pie in 12 months time - don't you?[/quote]
Stop wittering on about parkie. won 4 drawn 3 Lost 7 says enough. If it were not CP every one would be baying for his blood, imagine if this were Eddie Howe, the original choice, no one would be saying he should have a pre season and change the squad. I am pleased that CP is being given the chance to turn it around, but will you stop harking on about Parkie.
Disagree and you don't get the point i was making.
Powell is being constantly, continually judged now, this season on his results with what he inherited from Parky.
Parky did well to get that squad to what I keep reading was a magical 5th position, the reality is that 5th on Jan 3rd wasn't much different from 12th - where we find ourselves now. This squad is an average, run of the mill mid-table L1 team - the results you quote above amply proove that. My point isn't a barb against Parky, but a point about the yardstick against which CP is being judged.
He's brought 2 good performances out of the boys and he deserves credit for that (even though we were mostly second best today the boys still showed spirit and determination - they are definitely playing for him)
But I'm not sure what you expect, Offy - it's a bit soon to be hailing the Almighty.
I think it has helped that we have played 2 sides that were looking to win - we seem to struggle and lose belief when we play teams that park the bus and frustrate our feeble attempts to break them down.
Let's win a game, then we can be liberal with our plaudits
Don't take the piss we're on an unbeaten run of two and are averaging a point a game on this run
Till then enjoy the circus !
Much as we were angry with Andy D'Urso, he probably saved us a drubbing, and we avoided that on Tuesday night.
Every game we play now, I look at our 18 man squad, and count how many will be around for the first game next August. Today I reckon there were seven, so that's 11 players to be replaced (plus others not in the squad today such as Benson and McOxo, who definitely won't be here).
That's good news, because we all know this squad is dire. But there is a legitimate concern over our ability to attract players who are substantially better than those who we aren't going to be seeing again. Jenkinson is an unwelcome reminder that any club facing up to its third year in div three is not a particularly attrative option. I understand that player recruitment this summer is going to be a collegiate affair, with Vetere, Slater and TJ playing a major role alongside Powell, not only in identifying targets but in showing those players that CAFC is a club that is going places and selling them a vision of the Valley as a place with an exciting future.
Our recent results and some of the performances just haven't been good enough.
However, my point was that if people are so vitriolic in attacking anyone and everything when we lose, then surely a bit of credit is due when we dig out a decent enough performance and don't lose.
But it doesn't work like that in reality.
TBF the team and Chris Powell got nothing but applause at the end of the game despite another poor performance. I didn't hear any booing or anyone singled out for particular critism after the game.
Till then enjoy the circus ![/quote]
Spot on.
Our recent results and some of the performances just haven't been good enough.
However, my point was that if people are so vitriolic in attacking anyone and everything when we lose, then surely a bit of credit is due when we dig out a decent enough performance and don't lose.
But it doesn't work like that in reality.[/quote]
TBF the team and Chris Powell got nothing but applause at the end of the game despite another poor performance. I didn't hear any booing or anyone singled out for particular critism after the game.[/quote]
My reports from the game are the same rousing applause at the end.
Oakster I did get your point but there was no reference to Parkie in this thread prior to you raising it. Over the next 11 games CP will be judged on his own merits he now has Bessone, Ecclestone, Sullivan, BWP, Nouble, Parrett, with the exception of Sullivan and NE39 his choices. Few managers have the luxury of changing a complete squad when taking over so introducing five players who are better than those he inherited this becomes his squad, so lets judge him from last week till the end of the season, so his record is 0-2-1, lets hope by the end of the season its 11-2-1.
However if it is 2-2-10 do we let him take the reigns next season?
Fair enough - let's hope the corner is being turned!
Fair enough - let's hope the corner is being turned![/quote]
Agreed
All we need now is a few wins to restore that bit more pride, end the season positively and give us more than a little hope for next season.
Have always been fully behind Powell, 14 games is not nearly enough time to form a proper judgement and with some of the players we have it is hard to lay too much blame at his door, personally don't think many managers could have done a lot better especially as although a common excuse- we have lost some key players injured. Gary Johnson is almost the opposite of Powell in terms of experience and was far from the most unpopular option for us has struggled at Northampton since he took charge whilst although not linked with us- Megson has also done F-all since being at Wednesday. Proof imho no manager guarantees success.
The summer is going to be vital but it won't be until November/December time when I think it will be fairer to properly assess Powell.
So yes Credit is due, not getting overly excited but it is two steps in the right direction. COYR!
to be honest, mate, it was a very lively game and a hard fought point. scrappy, yes, but that's this league. the first touch of players in this league is still incomprehensible but that's where we are. the point was lucky in the end but we'll have that and come away with a bit of confidence in getting a result.
good day out too, hope the stopovers behave themselves and have fun.
I think the problem is your posts are just as blinkered Off It in a positive, Powell can't be criticised, way. Managers,even Charlton legends, are judged on results and that is 0 wins from 10 games, a truly awful run.It just makes me laugh how the point of blame has been shifted,by some, to the players not the Manager. Sure it has been a decent couple of points but all managers from all clubs would be given stick for 0 wins in 10 games. Still believe Powell should be given time to turn it around.
Personally I try not to go too overboard about a win, a draw or a defeat. But some people do.
I was just merely pointing out the double standards that some apply. "Blinkered"? Don't think so.