Unfortunately @razil some, not all rescues base their work on rehoming on numbers. I still have the last correspondence from the rescue and it reads. "Have you paid the £250 via PayPal" that was 7 years ago, they have no idea if Xena is dead or alive. They never checked to see if she was spayed as per my contract with them, however they are not all like that. Two that I belong to close their rehoming around Christmas unless you are known to them. A dog that has bitten should never be rehomed unless with an experienced owner that is working to make good the dogs issues.
Cheers TCE - I'm at work but the wife has been to hospital because of the swelling and she's fractured her hand.
I'll stick to your advice. I'm going to ask them to tell me how they plan to control their dog in the future and any sign that they're unable to carry out those commitments I'll contact the relevant authorities. I've discovered that there was no issue with the lead, the neighbour let go of the lead when the dog jumped 'so it didn't hurt its neck.'
I actually really like our neighbours and I'm more upset with the re-homing charity that's given first time dog owners an animal that clearly needs substantial behavioural re-training and seemingly without any warning of aggression issues. This is now the fourth altercation the dog has had in the 2 months they've had him.
It sounds like inexperience on the owners part, poor handling led to the dog breaking free. I dare say your to far away from me, but if I can help send him my ways. Meanwhile I hope your good lady recovers from her injuries.
I fully agree with @TCE comments. I would add that maybe until they have the dog under better control and aren't scared to correct bad behavior (and I dont meant by hitting him/her) they invest in a muzzle for when the dog is outside.Not one from Pets at Home, but spend some dosh on a decent one, you might like to start with K9 supply's. I'm sure @TCE will have other contacts as well.
Spent many an hour in the company of Jed and he's was a stunning boy, I remember visiting and staying over at Wally's house in Nottingham and Jed and Bailey doing alternate shifts in the kennels to prevent any squabbles that can happen between mature males, Jed took it like a true gent. I couldn't imagine Bailey doing the same thing on his own manor without whining. I can only imagine what Wally & Angie are going through at the moment not having been in that position. But losing the dog that started your journey can only be described as horrible. My thoughts are with with you both at this time and our love to you both. Arkashan Fanto. aka "Jed" "Run free to the Bridge" xx
Thanks mate, I've only just come back to this thread, 2 months on and the pain is still there. Take care my old mate, and love to the family xx
Just ordered some fish oil capsules and glucosamine for 2 of our 3, does anyone else give their dogs supplements or vitamins?
Yes, Bailey is on Gloucosimine for his arthritis also Coconut paste in with his grub to help his skin from drying out although they are all on that. Particularly at this time of the year with the heating on in the house and a clove of garlic for flea prevention.
Just ordered some fish oil capsules and glucosamine for 2 of our 3, does anyone else give their dogs supplements or vitamins?
Yes, Bailey is on Gloucosimine for his arthritis also Coconut paste in with his grub to help his skin from drying out although they are all on that. Particularly at this time of the year with the heating on in the house and a clove of garlic for flea prevention.
Garlic? Was pretty certain it was poisonous to dogs.
Just ordered some fish oil capsules and glucosamine for 2 of our 3, does anyone else give their dogs supplements or vitamins?
Yes, Bailey is on Gloucosimine for his arthritis also Coconut paste in with his grub to help his skin from drying out although they are all on that. Particularly at this time of the year with the heating on in the house and a clove of garlic for flea prevention.
Garlic? Was pretty certain it was poisonous to dogs.
Just ordered some fish oil capsules and glucosamine for 2 of our 3, does anyone else give their dogs supplements or vitamins?
Yes, Bailey is on Gloucosimine for his arthritis also Coconut paste in with his grub to help his skin from drying out although they are all on that. Particularly at this time of the year with the heating on in the house and a clove of garlic for flea prevention.
Garlic? Was pretty certain it was poisonous to dogs.
Ah, the poster in the vets? Garlic is obviously from the onion family which are toxic to dogs, yes you are correct. However it's very much a case of dosage, the experts won't tell you it's good for flea prevention to protect their investments in chemical repellants imo. Valli started off at half a clove as puppy once a week, building up to a whole clove as an almost adult, increasing to twice a week in the summer months. http://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/garlic-for-dogs-poison-or-medicine/
Just ordered some fish oil capsules and glucosamine for 2 of our 3, does anyone else give their dogs supplements or vitamins?
Yes, Bailey is on Gloucosimine for his arthritis also Coconut paste in with his grub to help his skin from drying out although they are all on that. Particularly at this time of the year with the heating on in the house and a clove of garlic for flea prevention.
Also added to their drinking water Apple cider vinegar to help with their allergies.
Cheers TCE - I'm at work but the wife has been to hospital because of the swelling and she's fractured her hand.
I'll stick to your advice. I'm going to ask them to tell me how they plan to control their dog in the future and any sign that they're unable to carry out those commitments I'll contact the relevant authorities. I've discovered that there was no issue with the lead, the neighbour let go of the lead when the dog jumped 'so it didn't hurt its neck.'
I actually really like our neighbours and I'm more upset with the re-homing charity that's given first time dog owners an animal that clearly needs substantial behavioural re-training and seemingly without any warning of aggression issues. This is now the fourth altercation the dog has had in the 2 months they've had him.
Sounds like a muzzle every time he leaves the house would at least solve the propensity of further injury to man or beast. A fairly easy solution, whilst not solving the dogs behaviour per say, it would at least allow them to keep their dog and you to be protected. If they are halfway decent people I’m sure they wouldn’t mind you making this suggestion to them. Always sad to see a dog muzzled but sometimes needs must.
Just ordered some fish oil capsules and glucosamine for 2 of our 3, does anyone else give their dogs supplements or vitamins?
Yes, Bailey is on Gloucosimine for his arthritis also Coconut paste in with his grub to help his skin from drying out although they are all on that. Particularly at this time of the year with the heating on in the house and a clove of garlic for flea prevention.
Also added to their drinking water Apple cider vinegar to help with their allergies.
That might also help with internal parasites an all? It does with poultry and game birds
Cheers TCE - I'm at work but the wife has been to hospital because of the swelling and she's fractured her hand.
I'll stick to your advice. I'm going to ask them to tell me how they plan to control their dog in the future and any sign that they're unable to carry out those commitments I'll contact the relevant authorities. I've discovered that there was no issue with the lead, the neighbour let go of the lead when the dog jumped 'so it didn't hurt its neck.'
I actually really like our neighbours and I'm more upset with the re-homing charity that's given first time dog owners an animal that clearly needs substantial behavioural re-training and seemingly without any warning of aggression issues. This is now the fourth altercation the dog has had in the 2 months they've had him.
Did you speak to your neighbours yet @SurvivaloftheFittest ? I cant believe she has a hand fracture due to their dog.
Cheers TCE - I'm at work but the wife has been to hospital because of the swelling and she's fractured her hand.
I'll stick to your advice. I'm going to ask them to tell me how they plan to control their dog in the future and any sign that they're unable to carry out those commitments I'll contact the relevant authorities. I've discovered that there was no issue with the lead, the neighbour let go of the lead when the dog jumped 'so it didn't hurt its neck.'
I actually really like our neighbours and I'm more upset with the re-homing charity that's given first time dog owners an animal that clearly needs substantial behavioural re-training and seemingly without any warning of aggression issues. This is now the fourth altercation the dog has had in the 2 months they've had him.
Did you speak to your neighbours yet @SurvivaloftheFittest ? I cant believe she has a hand fracture due to their dog.
I had an X-ray on a broken wrist that broke while playing with Bailey, the X-ray showed a broken bone in my hand at least 3 years old which was when I broke up a fight between two of my dogs and got accidentally bitten.
To credit my neighbours, as soon as I had got in from work they knocked with flowers. The girlfriend was controlling the dog at the time and she had already knocked when my wife had got back from the hospital.
The biggest problem for us as an aside of the dog was the fact that my wife has been signed off work for 2 weeks and won't get paid for that time. They have offered us £1000 as a result. My wife wants to take it, I'm slightly uncomfortable with it. Ultimately it's my wife's decision as she was the one hurt.
With respect to the dog, they have immediately enrolled in to training classes which they are going to attend two times a week. One of the classes will be at home, where in the future they'd like to use my dog as part of the training. The other would be based away from the house.
They also took him to the vets to get advice and to see how whether they should report it to the authorities themselves. The first thing they have suggested is getting him neutered so that's booked in for the New Year. The vets have made a note of the incident so that if there's any future problems there is a recording. They've also suggested wearing a muzzle in public which they're looking in to.
I asked them about the charity. It's a charity that rescues dogs from euthanasia in Wales and promises never to destroy a dog. They've been trying for the past month to get help and more background about how 'Sam' was found / kept, because certain noises are triggering quite extreme reactions, particularly nervous aggression. They've never heard back and even when they went there in person they were told the right people weren't there to speak too.
I've called them myself this morning and told them I will be taking legal action against them for re-homing a dangerous dog unless they contact my neighbours today. I doubt I have any grounds for legal action, but if it gets my neighbours the help they need then I'll pursue it as far as I can myself.
Well it's good to see they have taken it very seriously which is only right given the injury to your wife and are taking all appropriate steps. No need to just look into a muzzle, that should be first priority.
What a shocker, losing two weeks money plus having a fractured hand in time for Christmas all due to poor dog ownership.
@SurvivaloftheFittest your neighbours are obviously very concerned about the recent going-on's, and to offer your wife compensation is a laudable course of action. As I stated earlier a muzzle in the immediate future would be a sensible course of action along with the training twice a week. It sounds to me as though the dog may have been badly treated before it was rescued. However there is always hope, and a good one at that, that this nervous aggression can be sorted, it will take time. Mrs RM trains dogs up here in Leicestershire and has had to deal with all types of behaviour, BUT it can be turned round as I'm sure @TCE would agree. Your neighbours sound like good people just trying to give an ill-treated dog a loving home and for that I commend them and their actions to your wife and you. I hope for all concerned and of course the dog, that this issue resolves itself in the fullness of time and the dog has a long and happy life, after-all in the end there are no bad dogs, just really bad owners (not your neighbours in this case)
Be careful using your dog to socialise the other (insurance) I use Bailey to teach other dogs how to socialise and he responds to verbal commands while I deal with the dog that has the issues. It will be wearing my supplied collar and lead and I want the owner to see how to deal with a dog that wants to attack and Bailey is off lead. It's not nice to watch but it gets results and the option is being PTS. If some owners spent as much time socialising their dogs as puppies as they do training them to "play dead" or giving their paw the problem would be solved. I've got two Rottie's and a. Mastiff that now socialise regularly with other dogs and I had more issues with this little fecker and his attitude who's first response to Bailey was to try and bite him. Now walks happily with him on a weekly basis
I would 'bite their hand off' for the compo.. I would also mention that if he's bitten one person he could bite another not known to them, resulting in him being destroyed and a fine (or worse?) for them. Not sure a magistrate would look too kindly if it came out that it was a rehome of a dog with issues and proper precautions weren't taken - so worth getting the right kind of things in place.
@T_C_E could you socialise my lab 'Belle'? She's a real sweetheart but barks at strangers and noises and doesn't respond to commands to button it. Keeps barking even though I am clearly in control/have met the person from the door or taken a packaged etc. They will be quiet sometimes and not rush out barking if I stay with them and I click my fingers and tell them to stop. She doesn't respond well to strangers at all, and it requires them giving her several treats before they even get a look in/ she stops reacting badly to a request for a stroke.
Some of it I expect comes from our other dog Loki being a little git we've had him at bootcamp but hes got aggression problems. Some of it may also come from when she had to have an injection as a puppy when she ate a dead fish on the beach - result is she hates vets, and even growls at them which is very unlike her, she never does for any other reason, and has to be muzzled and held, sometimes by several people to have treatment.
Of course @razil, its finding the trigger that sets the dog off is the difficult part. More often than not, peoples reaction to their dog barking at stranger is one of embarrassment, I never get embarrassed! Deal with it by correcting your dog and take control of the dog, if my dog (JJ) gets a bark off at another dog its mainly I've taken my eye off the game and not seen the dog first. When I see it first I give him something else to think about and what that is, is the key with him its a quick flick of the lead to make him look at me. It maybe a treat, a toy, increase the pace of your walk, it could be lots of things. Talking to your dog while its barking, I find is one of the biggest triggers for it to carry on. It simply doesn't understand "shut the F*** Up" "Quiet" or my favourite from the smaller breed owners "Oh, they'll eat you for dinner" deal with the dog, dont worry about people tutting or raising their eyebrows. Your welcome to bring him/her down here whenever, no fee's to Charlton fans (but keep it quiet ) or a donation to the Upbeats I'm sure would be appreciated.
Just ordered some fish oil capsules and glucosamine for 2 of our 3, does anyone else give their dogs supplements or vitamins?
Yes, Bailey is on Gloucosimine for his arthritis also Coconut paste in with his grub to help his skin from drying out although they are all on that. Particularly at this time of the year with the heating on in the house and a clove of garlic for flea prevention.
Garlic? Was pretty certain it was poisonous to dogs.
Ah, the poster in the vets? Garlic is obviously from the onion family which are toxic to dogs, yes you are correct. However it's very much a case of dosage, the experts won't tell you it's good for flea prevention to protect their investments in chemical repellants imo. Valli started off at half a clove as puppy once a week, building up to a whole clove as an almost adult, increasing to twice a week in the summer months. http://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/garlic-for-dogs-poison-or-medicine/
Our dog (JJ) hates the chemical flea repellants. Goes off in a sulk and won't engage with us for hours! We feel rotten! Is it just Fleas they repel or is it dangerous ticks, as if he got fleas, we were thinking we could bath him and use flea shampoo. He has very short hair. It must be nasty stuff in those repellants if a few drops get the reaction they do.
Just ordered some fish oil capsules and glucosamine for 2 of our 3, does anyone else give their dogs supplements or vitamins?
Yes, Bailey is on Gloucosimine for his arthritis also Coconut paste in with his grub to help his skin from drying out although they are all on that. Particularly at this time of the year with the heating on in the house and a clove of garlic for flea prevention.
Garlic? Was pretty certain it was poisonous to dogs.
Ah, the poster in the vets? Garlic is obviously from the onion family which are toxic to dogs, yes you are correct. However it's very much a case of dosage, the experts won't tell you it's good for flea prevention to protect their investments in chemical repellants imo. Valli started off at half a clove as puppy once a week, building up to a whole clove as an almost adult, increasing to twice a week in the summer months. http://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/garlic-for-dogs-poison-or-medicine/
Our dog (JJ) hates the chemical flea repellants. Goes off in a sulk and won't engage with us for hours! We feel rotten! Is it just Fleas they repel or is it dangerous ticks, as if he got fleas, we were thinking we could bath him and use flea shampoo. He has very short hair. It must be nasty stuff in those repellants if a few drops get the reaction they do.
Firstly, does he have fleas? If no, then consistent garlic through the year with a increased dose through any persistent hotter months might get will help prevent them and we've never found fleas on our dogs. Ticks are a slightly different but we add Apple cider vinegar to their water through the year, if your dog runs in long grass they should be checked afterwards. As with complete dog foods, more and more dogs are reacting to products like Frontline, Nexgard is horrendous stuff. I fail to see why vets arn't warning people. I recently had Bailey and Valli Titre tested which is a test you can have to find the levels of immunity against the illnesses the booster "protects" from. Valli who only had ever had her puppy vaccs was fully covered by her levels and the vet agreed to this, yet he would still have given her a booster had I asked, why? Filling our dogs with unnecessary chemicals is being highlighted more and more these days. We've bathed our dogs once each in their entire lives, continual regular grooming and the occasional strip after a moult leaves ours looking good most of the time. We did find this tick on Xena's ear after a run near a horse field but removing complete and still alive is simple enough before damage is done.
Thanks - I have to admit we haven't used the flea treatment for about 6 months - JJ has never got fleas and we can deal with them if he does. We were concerned how much it bothered him but good to get your advice which is re-assuring.
Our dog's tic treatment all up to date, but pulled loads out of the Springer over the last few weeks, all alive and some been attached for a while. Mutant ticks ain't good
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I'm sure @TCE will have other contacts as well.
Garlic is obviously from the onion family which are toxic to dogs, yes you are correct. However it's very much a case of dosage, the experts won't tell you it's good for flea prevention to protect their investments in chemical repellants imo. Valli started off at half a clove as puppy once a week, building up to a whole clove as an almost adult, increasing to twice a week in the summer months.
http://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/garlic-for-dogs-poison-or-medicine/
A fairly easy solution, whilst not solving the dogs behaviour per say, it would at least allow them to keep their dog and you to be protected.
If they are halfway decent people I’m sure they wouldn’t mind you making this suggestion to them.
Always sad to see a dog muzzled but sometimes needs must.
The biggest problem for us as an aside of the dog was the fact that my wife has been signed off work for 2 weeks and won't get paid for that time. They have offered us £1000 as a result. My wife wants to take it, I'm slightly uncomfortable with it. Ultimately it's my wife's decision as she was the one hurt.
With respect to the dog, they have immediately enrolled in to training classes which they are going to attend two times a week. One of the classes will be at home, where in the future they'd like to use my dog as part of the training. The other would be based away from the house.
They also took him to the vets to get advice and to see how whether they should report it to the authorities themselves. The first thing they have suggested is getting him neutered so that's booked in for the New Year. The vets have made a note of the incident so that if there's any future problems there is a recording. They've also suggested wearing a muzzle in public which they're looking in to.
I asked them about the charity. It's a charity that rescues dogs from euthanasia in Wales and promises never to destroy a dog. They've been trying for the past month to get help and more background about how 'Sam' was found / kept, because certain noises are triggering quite extreme reactions, particularly nervous aggression. They've never heard back and even when they went there in person they were told the right people weren't there to speak too.
I've called them myself this morning and told them I will be taking legal action against them for re-homing a dangerous dog unless they contact my neighbours today. I doubt I have any grounds for legal action, but if it gets my neighbours the help they need then I'll pursue it as far as I can myself.
What a shocker, losing two weeks money plus having a fractured hand in time for Christmas all due to poor dog ownership.
@T_C_E could you socialise my lab 'Belle'? She's a real sweetheart but barks at strangers and noises and doesn't respond to commands to button it. Keeps barking even though I am clearly in control/have met the person from the door or taken a packaged etc. They will be quiet sometimes and not rush out barking if I stay with them and I click my fingers and tell them to stop. She doesn't respond well to strangers at all, and it requires them giving her several treats before they even get a look in/ she stops reacting badly to a request for a stroke.
Some of it I expect comes from our other dog Loki being a little git we've had him at bootcamp but hes got aggression problems. Some of it may also come from when she had to have an injection as a puppy when she ate a dead fish on the beach - result is she hates vets, and even growls at them which is very unlike her, she never does for any other reason, and has to be muzzled and held, sometimes by several people to have treatment.