Can't believe what I'm reading here. Someone runs on to attack you and most of you want to aim one kick & then do a runner?
Middle of a football match, adrenalin pumping, you get attacked, you don't always react rationally, he's been provoked, should've let him get another shot in.
Also, the "fan" who attacked the keeper was banned earlier this year for 3 years for attacking a steward. And we think we have football related problems here?
Can't believe what I'm reading here. Someone runs on to attack you and most of you want to aim one kick & then do a runner?
Middle of a football match, adrenalin pumping, you get attacked, you don't always react rationally, he's been provoked, should've let him get another shot in.
Not often I agree with a spanner but some people on here need to have a reality check.
The keeper sees the guy with about a second to go until he is kicked. He sends him to the ground and as the fan is trying to kick out from the ground the keeper places to defensive kicks to stop those kicks from connecting. He then backs away slowly making sure he is safe when the steward arrives.
Is rightly (in my mind) very angry with what has happened and clearly he tries to attack the ref after he is sent off.
That is my take on it having watched from some different angles
No way would a court convict anyone in the UK for what is clearly self defence. Also as this is (again my take) self defence why was he Red Carded as it was not violent.
Listen guys, none of you can say with all honesty just what you'd have done if you were the keeper.You're being attacked and the red mist comes down (which can quite literally happen to the mildest natured of folk......I've seen it more than once I can assure you), a fight is a fight and anything can and often does happen. There aren't many rules when you're in the middle of a ruck, it's you or the other guy.
Can't believe what I'm reading here. Someone runs on to attack you and most of you want to aim one kick & then do a runner?
Middle of a football match, adrenalin pumping, you get attacked, you don't always react rationally, he's been provoked, should've let him get another shot in.
Can't believe what I'm reading here. Someone runs on to attack you and most of you want to aim one kick & then do a runner?
Middle of a football match, adrenalin pumping, you get attacked, you don't always react rationally, he's been provoked, should've let him get another shot in.
There seems to be a lack of awareness of the rules. If one player punches another who then retaliates it's still a red card, no matter whether fans imagine that it is justified or not. Same rules apply. All this stuff about adrenaline is neither here nor there.
"Any player, whether he is within or outside the field of play, whose conduct is ungentlemanly or violent, whether or not it is directed towards an opponent, a colleague, the referee, a linesman or other person,"
Trust me there's nothing that I like better than some hardman getting his arse handed to him by a party that he thought would never dare to fight back. Good decision by the ref and good decision by the Dutch FA who obviously applied some common sense.
What the keeper done was in self0defence,now appears Ajax (FAN) was already banned from the ground for 2years about 6months ago.Red card for keeper
now incorrect and the KNVB dutch fa looking into what to do next re match.How about closing the ground down for afew matches and awarding the tie tooAZ for starters.
Can't believe what I'm reading here. Someone runs on to attack you and most of you want to aim one kick & then do a runner?
Middle of a football match, adrenalin pumping, you get attacked, you don't always react rationally, he's been provoked, should've let him get another shot in.
The keeper had every right to kick him again not knowing if the fan was armed or not....if you run on the pitch and attack someone you are fair game...glad they overturned the ridiculous red card
Can't believe how many are saying the GK went OTT! If I was standing there, turned around to see some twat skinhead thug in mid-air coming towards me, I'd also lay the boot in. I'd probably still be kicking him now.
Felt sorry for the ref. In these situations, he's left with no other option but to send him off as stated in the laws of the game. The ref is not there to decide which rules he follows but to enforce them all fairly, blah blah............... Same as the clip a few months ago when the player tackled a streaker. Ref had to send him off.
Can't believe what I'm reading here. Someone runs on to attack you and most of you want to aim one kick & then do a runner?
Middle of a football match, adrenalin pumping, you get attacked, you don't always react rationally, he's been provoked, should've let him get another shot in.
Can't believe how many are saying the GK went OTT! If I was standing there, turned around to see some twat skinhead thug in mid-air coming towards me, I'd also lay the boot in. I'd probably still be kicking him now
There is a big difference between self defence and aggravated assault.
Kicking him once - Self defence
Continuing to kick him when he's on the floor - Assault
Still trying to get at the bloke whilst he's being carried away - plain stupid.
Can't believe how many are saying the GK went OTT! If I was standing there, turned around to see some twat skinhead thug in mid-air coming towards me, I'd also lay the boot in. I'd probably still be kicking him now
There is a big difference between self defence and aggravated assault.
Kicking him once - Self defence
Continuing to kick him when he's on the floor - Assault
Still trying to get at the bloke whilst he's being carried away - plain stupid.
You're right there is a difference, but in this case it was self defence all the way! I think some on here should really get an understanding on what self defence actually means.
Can't believe how many are saying the GK went OTT! If I was standing there, turned around to see some twat skinhead thug in mid-air coming towards me, I'd also lay the boot in. I'd probably still be kicking him now
There is a big difference between self defence and aggravated assault.
Kicking him once - Self defence
Continuing to kick him when he's on the floor - Assault
Still trying to get at the bloke whilst he's being carried away - plain stupid.
Unless of course he could reasonably believe the man to still be a threat.
I think the cancelling the red card was correct the keeper had no idea what the guy was going to do and acted in a way that most people would i.e. get the bastard down and keep him there.
Can't believe how many are saying the GK went OTT! If I was standing there, turned around to see some twat skinhead thug in mid-air coming towards me, I'd also lay the boot in. I'd probably still be kicking him now
There is a big difference between self defence and aggravated assault. Kicking him once - Self defence Continuing to kick him when he's on the floor - Assault Still trying to get at the bloke whilst he's being carried away - plain stupid.
Once someone is down, make sure they are staying down & not getting up again to attack you. See no reason why the keeper isn't within his right to make sure the attacker wasn't getting back up to have another go.
You can see how on edge he was because when out of the corner of his eye he see's that steward/official running on he turns to defend himself from him as well before realising he's not an attacker. Your heart is off the charts, body is like jelly, your disorientated, adrenalin pumping, everything is a blur...you don't think rationally, you go into fight or flight mode, react instinctively and do whatever you need to do.
He only actually kicked him twice and stopped as soon as the other guy (steward?) jumped on him. I honestly don't know what I would have done in those circumstances, and I'm surprised that so many people here are so certain of their likely reactions, but considering it was an unprovoked attack from behind, I'd say he was pretty restrained.
As for what the law is on retaliation and self-defence, it doesn't matter what the law is here, it's what it is in Holland that counts.
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Can't believe what I'm reading here. Someone runs on to attack you and most of you want to aim one kick & then do a runner?
Middle of a football match, adrenalin pumping, you get attacked, you don't always react rationally, he's been provoked, should've let him get another shot in.
Not often I agree with a spanner but some people on here need to have a reality check.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/16300956.stm
spot on
"Any player, whether he is within or outside the
field of play, whose conduct is ungentlemanly or violent,
whether or not it is directed towards an opponent, a
colleague, the referee, a linesman or other person,"
Trust me there's nothing that I like better than some hardman getting his arse handed to him by a party that he thought would never dare to fight back. Good decision by the ref and good decision by the Dutch FA who obviously applied some common sense.
What the keeper done was in self0defence,now appears Ajax (FAN) was already banned from the ground for 2years about 6months ago.Red card for keeper
now incorrect and the KNVB dutch fa looking into what to do next re match.How about closing the ground down for afew matches and awarding the tie tooAZ for starters.
Spot spot on!
The keeper had every right to kick him again not knowing if the fan was armed or not....if you run on the pitch and attack someone you are fair game...glad they overturned the ridiculous red card
Felt sorry for the ref. In these situations, he's left with no other option but to send him off as stated in the laws of the game. The ref is not there to decide which rules he follows but to enforce them all fairly, blah blah...............
Same as the clip a few months ago when the player tackled a streaker. Ref had to send him off.
http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/15948776
Kicking him once - Self defence
Continuing to kick him when he's on the floor - Assault
Still trying to get at the bloke whilst he's being carried away - plain stupid.
if the goalkeepr had been a policemen being attacked and acting like that , would we have been as sympathetic
as said above not happy with keeper and ref in the same jersey
what was the score in the game when this happened and how long gone/left
Once someone is down, make sure they are staying down & not getting up again to attack you. See no reason why the keeper isn't within his right to make sure the attacker wasn't getting back up to have another go.
You can see how on edge he was because when out of the corner of his eye he see's that steward/official running on he turns to defend himself from him as well before realising he's not an attacker. Your heart is off the charts, body is like jelly, your disorientated, adrenalin pumping, everything is a blur...you don't think rationally, you go into fight or flight mode, react instinctively and do whatever you need to do.