It's a very large subject, but if you think overall Richard Murray was a negative influence on Charlton's history then I have no respect for your judgement.
I met Mr Murray once at a Basingstoke get together. This was when we were doing well in the Prem under Curbs. He was asked if Curbs should leave who would he like to replace him, RM didn't want to answer as there was no possibility of Curbs leaving but in the end he said that if he was looking for a successor there was a good young manager at Reading who was an ex Charlton player and RM thought he might do well - his name was Alan Pardew - most of us in the room agreed that he would be a worthy successor to Curbs.
We can all have excellent hindsight and we all make mistakes but Mr Murray has guided this club through a few rough times, has usually had time for us fans, had his own personal tragedy and throughout has done his best for our club - for that I will always hold him in high regard.
I remember when Mark Hulyer saved us from the Glicksteins and brought the European Footballer of the Year from Barcelona to play for us.
Depends how you look at things really.
You can always depend on at least one troll raising their head. As I said before he made mistakes but these are outweighed by the good that he did for this club. If you compare Huyler to Murray then you compare how it can be done badly and how it can be done well.
Well, as suggested, I tipped Richard off about this thread, and for sure by now he has read it. Whether that was such a good idea having read some of the more recent posts, I'm not sure, but over the years he learnt that in a football crowd there are all sorts...I am sure he will have been very moved by all the kind words.
I do not agree that this thread was premature. If we don't go up from this position, that will not be Richard's fault, this squad is quite strong enough to get us there, especially with an eight point lead. However when I recall where we were a year ago, I shudder, and then am very thankful for where we are now.
Just close your eyes and imagine Sebastian Sainsbury, a dodgy estate agent, Parky, and Simon Francis...
I met Mr Murray once at a Basingstoke get together. This was when we were doing well in the Prem under Curbs. He was asked if Curbs should leave who would he like to replace him, RM didn't want to answer as there was no possibility of Curbs leaving but in the end he said that if he was looking for a successor there was a good young manager at Reading who was an ex Charlton player and RM thought he might do well - his name was Alan Pardew - most of us in the room agreed that he would be a worthy successor to Curbs.
We can all have excellent hindsight and we all make mistakes but Mr Murray has guided this club through a few rough times, has usually had time for us fans, had his own personal tragedy and throughout has done his best for our club - for that I will always hold him in high regard.
It's a very large subject, but if you think overall Richard Murray was a negative influence on Charlton's history then I have no respect for your judgement.
Over the years what Richard Murray has put into this club both in time and funds we should be thankful for.Like many other people he followed another club before falling in love with Charlton.When i last spoke to him at Bournmouth this year the weight was off his shoulders,He could enjoy football again and follow the Great club he Loves Charlton Athletic.
I remember when Mark Hulyer saved us from the Glicksteins and brought the European Footballer of the Year from Barcelona to play for us.
Depends how you look at things really.
You can always depend on at least one troll raising their head. As I said before he made mistakes but these are outweighed by the good that he did for this club. If you compare Huyler to Murray then you compare how it can be done badly and how it can be done well.
I haven't stated my personal view, but I do think it's a little early to be openly patting people on the back when we are top of the 3rd tier with more than half a season to go.
As for being a troll - this is a discussion forum, so nothing wrong with mentioning a few facts pertinent to the topic.
I remember when Mark Hulyer saved us from the Glicksteins and brought the European Footballer of the Year from Barcelona to play for us.
Depends how you look at things really.
You can always depend on at least one troll raising their head. As I said before he made mistakes but these are outweighed by the good that he did for this club. If you compare Huyler to Murray then you compare how it can be done badly and how it can be done well.
I haven't stated my personal view, but I do think it's a little early to be openly patting people on the back when we are top of the 3rd tier with more than half a season to go.
As for being a troll - this is a discussion forum, so nothing wrong with mentioning a few facts pertinent to the topic.
I remember when Mark Hulyer saved us from the Glicksteins and brought the European Footballer of the Year from Barcelona to play for us.
Depends how you look at things really.
You can always depend on at least one troll raising their head. As I said before he made mistakes but these are outweighed by the good that he did for this club. If you compare Huyler to Murray then you compare how it can be done badly and how it can be done well.
I haven't stated my personal view, but I do think it's a little early to be openly patting people on the back when we are top of the 3rd tier with more than half a season to go.
As for being a troll - this is a discussion forum, so nothing wrong with mentioning a few facts pertinent to the topic.
Do you think Murray has done good for the club?
Yes in a nutshell , with hindsight , i wish he had managed to sell up whilst we were in the Premiership, but it probably wasn't do able, hindsight is a wonderful thing , a lesson to learn ... quit whilst your ahead.
Top man and I really cant see how anyone who has known charlton for a decent length of time can say otherwise. Yes some wrong decisions, but overall has to be A+ We have had a lot more good times than bad since he came to the fore
Richard Murray brought openness and honesty to the Boardroom. He understand the need to keep the fans informed of as much as possible and evenings with him and other club officials were illuminating. Sometimes he said a bit more than perhaps he needed to but by and large it did no harm and it helped develop a level of trust with the Boardroom that we have never seen at the Valley before or since. Considering Richard only got interested in Charlton whilst we were at Selhurst Park when he was already c 40 (guessing), his support since has been unwavering and I am impressed to hear he was down at Yeovil on Monday. Roger Alwyn's contribution to Charlton must never be forgotten but Richard's has surpassed that. I don't mean to be judgemental here as the ability of both to contribute personally to the club waned during their tenure and both made choices which affected them personally in favour of the club (and the rest of us).
I like what the new owners have done so far and I do hope that whenever Richard decides to leave the club that he gets the recognition he devers. I really want us to chant his name as a appreciation to all the hard work he has done.
100% really hope he is recognised if/when he decides to leave, have nothing but utter utter respect and admirability to the man ... mr.charlton
Im not sure about formal recognition. Not saying he hasn't done a lot for the club but when you think that the Glikstens have nothing, I'm not sure you can honour Murray. I know that they left the club in a terrible state, but they did run the club for 50-odds years so the end shouldn't really have soured the entire history - which does include our only cup success.
A legend amongst men. Yes we have had a very large fall, but without him the fall wouldn't have been so spectacular in the sense of we may not have hit those Premiership heights. Every Charlton fan owes this man a great deal for all that he has done and should not forget that.
Very glad he is still connected with the club as it gives me a sense that we are still being watched over and guarded from greed and stupidity.
i think Rm inherited a lot of Ra s goodwill when it comes down to fans support from back to the valley days but it is under RM s guidance that we had success on the pitch,built a dammed good stadium (with more to come one day) and got so many things right in the community .he made us a proper professional business .We always did the "right thing"
its difficult to compare him to the glikstens as we were then a cinderella club and there wasnt as much money going into football the only mistake RM and the board had was not having a clear back up plan when curbs left
we ll be back ..look at Southampton and Norwich and as for RM he has my utmost admiration and best wishes ,his image and standing encapsulates everything thats good about our club
i think Rm inherited a lot of Ra s goodwill when it comes down to fans support from back to the valley days
As I've said before and will no doubt say again, Richard Murray and Martin Simons got Charlton back to The Valley. The previous regime had good intentions, but lacked the wherewithal to deliver . . . and Roger Alwen's partner Mike Norris was, to say the least, a complicated character. The mistake people make is to assume that because Roger was chairman in 1992 he was calling the shots - he wasn't, and he couldn't have delivered if he had been. Doesn't make him a bad person, just not the person many people assume.
i think Rm inherited a lot of Ra s goodwill when it comes down to fans support from back to the valley days
As I've said before and will no doubt say again, Richard Murray and Martin Simons got Charlton back to The Valley. The previous regime had good intentions, but lacked the wherewithal to deliver . . . and Roger Alwen's partner Mike Norris was, to say the least, a complicated character. The mistake people make is to assume that because Roger was chairman in 1992 he was calling the shots - he wasn't, and he couldn't have delivered if he had been. Doesn't make him a bad person, just not the person many people assume.
Airman, you seem to know a lot about back to the Valley. Ever thought of writing a book ? :-)
i think Rm inherited a lot of Ra s goodwill when it comes down to fans support from back to the valley days
As I've said before and will no doubt say again, Richard Murray and Martin Simons got Charlton back to The Valley. The previous regime had good intentions, but lacked the wherewithal to deliver . . . and Roger Alwen's partner Mike Norris was, to say the least, a complicated character. The mistake people make is to assume that because Roger was chairman in 1992 he was calling the shots - he wasn't, and he couldn't have delivered if he had been. Doesn't make him a bad person, just not the person many people assume.
Airman, you seem to know a lot about back to the Valley. Ever thought of writing another book ? :-)
What makes a wolves ?? fan decide to invest so much time, money and energy into Charlton (lucky for us) no disrespect but there are a gazillion and one better causes, imo, to be burning your time, money and energy on than at a poxy footy club you have no affinity too
Interesting stuff. Couldn't have delivered. Why? Is that a fact or opinion?
Roger Alwen didn't have the money to put in or the necessary skills to untangle the mess left behind when Mike Norris went bust. Martin Simons guaranteed the loan that enabled the club to get the ground back from the bank and Richard Murray - assisted by Peter Tegg - did the necessary deals.
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Over the years what Richard Murray has put into this club both in time and funds we should be thankful for.Like many other people he followed another club before falling in love with Charlton.When i last spoke to him at Bournmouth this year the weight was off his shoulders,He could enjoy football again and follow the Great club he Loves Charlton Athletic.
Thank you Mr Murray and enjoy 2012.
Im not sure about formal recognition. Not saying he hasn't done a lot for the club but when you think that the Glikstens have nothing, I'm not sure you can honour Murray. I know that they left the club in a terrible state, but they did run the club for 50-odds years so the end shouldn't really have soured the entire history - which does include our only cup success.
top man RM, we all make some mistakes that's life
where's PV nowadays after the sale?
A legend amongst men. Yes we have had a very large fall, but without him the fall wouldn't have been so spectacular in the sense of we may not have hit those Premiership heights. Every Charlton fan owes this man a great deal for all that he has done and should not forget that.
Very glad he is still connected with the club as it gives me a sense that we are still being watched over and guarded from greed and stupidity.
its difficult to compare him to the glikstens as we were then a cinderella club and there wasnt as much money going into football
the only mistake RM and the board had was not having a clear back up plan when curbs left
we ll be back ..look at Southampton and Norwich and as for RM he has my utmost admiration and best wishes ,his image and standing encapsulates everything thats good about our club
Airman, you seem to know a lot about back to the Valley. Ever thought of writing a book ? :-)
no disrespect but there are a gazillion and one better causes, imo, to be burning your time, money and energy on than at a poxy footy club you have no affinity too