I'm sure I read something written by the writers of the show. The parking was done to make her late so that Tony kept looking up every time the door bell rang when someone came in. One time it was the hit man, who sits at the bar for a while before going into the toilet, and another (maybe be another two) are just nobodies.
Basically you switch from the first person view (Tony's view) to the third person view (looking at Tony). So the show (while Meadow is parking) is looking at Tony until the diner door opens and then you get Tony's view. You get this a few times until the end. The hit man goes to the toilet and comes out and shoots Tony in the head just as it switches to his view of the door. Clearly his view (and his hearing) are black as he has just had his brains shot.
Earlier in the series the chap who runs the Bada Bing (I can't remember his name) discusses what happens when one is shot and he says that he read something about how if you are shot your brain stops functioning before you process the sound of the bullet. Thus if you are shot (like Tony is) you don't hear the bullet, it just goes black and quiet - because, basically, you are dead.
Thus, as the series finishes you are Tony and you are killed so it goes black.
tony must get whacked - i've never seen him on anything since and can't believe he isn't a gangster.
You really are judgemental. So he heads a 'Family', extorts builders, runs gambling syndicates and kills a few dozen people, and you just go ahead and judge him and call him a Gangster.
I thought the ending was great, I'd rather have a bit of ambiguity in keeping with the rest of the series, unlike say The Wire which wrapped everything up in a happy little bow.
Earlier in the series the chap who runs the Bada Bing (I can't remember his name) discusses what happens when one is shot and he says that he read something about how if you are shot your brain stops functioning before you process the sound of the bullet. Thus if you are shot (like Tony is) you don't hear the bullet, it just goes black and quiet - because, basically, you are dead.
Thus, as the series finishes you are Tony and you are killed so it goes black.
This has happend to me many times on Battlefield 3.
apparantly it was part of his contract that he agreed to be killed. i read it somewhere i'm sure
I think if someone offered me a job and asked me to agree to be killed I'd go work some where else. I mean, opting out of the 48 hour a week regulation is one thing, but you have to draw the line somewhere.
Why is it that regardless of some of the terrible things that he and his gang do, you can't help liking Tony and thinking he's a decent bloke? Maybe not everybody does but there's no doubt that mafia type crime is fascinating and glamorous even if the reality is a bit different.
I'm sure I've seen a documentary with the writers before and they admitted to "not knowing" what happened after it went black and they were happy with that.
I suppose, without writing anything after they are right as well, it's up to the viewer to come to their own conclusions.
Why is it that regardless of some of the terrible things that he and his gang do, you can't help liking Tony and thinking he's a decent bloke? Maybe not everybody does but there's no doubt that mafia type crime is fascinating and glamorous even if the reality is a bit different.
Yep. Always been fascinated by the lifestyle and the things that go on. I've got so many books about past and modern day gangsters and always find an affinity with them on some level at some point. Of course some/most of the acts are totally abhorrent but I find it so interesting.
Why is it that regardless of some of the terrible things that he and his gang do, you can't help liking Tony and thinking he's a decent bloke? Maybe not everybody does but there's no doubt that mafia type crime is fascinating and glamorous even if the reality is a bit different.
I thought that was the point of the final season. There was no glamour or humour anymore. We really got a sense of how horrible these people are - tony contemplated killing his best remaining friend, Christopher shot a guy in the head for no reason, Silvio strangled a guy, Bobby got his first kill... by the end, I had gone from hoping they all live, to being quite comfortable with them all dying!
As for the ending - I like that Inception has a definitive end. I think the Usual Suspects cheats the viewer by having no sensible explanation. I like that Lost, for its faults, had a definitive ending. Yet for some reason I am happy that Sopranos was left open.
I gather, if you go to film school, that you can come up with enough evidence to support Tony being dead (the conversation he had in an earlier episode about the sudden blackness, and Silvio's slow-motion experience of being up close to a murder being the big clues) plus the thing about Meadow 'trying' three times to park her car (a possible reference to the amount of attempts on Tony's life over the course of the show), and there's a lot on the POV shots. My personal take is that Tony is probably dead, but if not, the point being made was that he'll always be looking at the door.. always on edge... for the rest of his life.
Ultimately, if David Chase and co. decide to make a movie, I think the theories will go out the window!
Why is it that regardless of some of the terrible things that he and his gang do, you can't help liking Tony and thinking he's a decent bloke? Maybe not everybody does but there's no doubt that mafia type crime is fascinating and glamorous even if the reality is a bit different.
Yep. Always been fascinated by the lifestyle and the things that go on. I've got so many books about past and modern day gangsters and always find an affinity with them on some level at some point. Of course some/most of the acts are totally abhorrent but I find it so interesting.
Nice one WSS, the same here, I tend to stick to Mafia related material as I cant be bothered with some of the auto biographies written by wanna be gangsters, especially some of the English ones. If you are not already a member take a look at www.mafiatoday.com as there is some great material on there.
I saw it last week in which Tony had split from his missus and i did notice a change in the feel of it. I'd missed the last month or so but can see what your saying Jimmy. Shame my sky plus screwed up, i was well into it and about the only thing on telly, since the inbetweeners that i've been bothered about missing.
People told me about this series, and were they right, to me the best thing to come out of American tv for years. I love the scenes beetween Tony and his 'shrink' . The absurd thing is that you go along with the plot and feel sympathy for a mafia boss. Although Tony's wife has a voice like a cartoon character, her body seems to improve with each episode.
the family is sitting in the restaurant .. life goes on as before .. BUT, there appears to be a little watchful edge amongst them all that was not there before the gang war .. so, life goes on as before, but not quite as before !!!!
I'm pretty sure Tony's dead. The Meadow trying to park thing is interesting, never considered this before. The Godfather similarities are what initially made me believe he was killed at the end.
I'm pretty sure Tony's dead. The Meadow trying to park thing is interesting, never considered this before. The Godfather similarities are what initially made me believe he was killed at the end.
The colour orange or oranges appear before a death in the Godfathers i think and in the last episode i think there is a bright orange tiger in a painting on the wall in the restaurant Tony is in.
The link I posted has quite a lot on the Godfather stuff (on page 3) - not just the gun in the toilet scene
For example...
In The Godfather films, oranges often symbolize violence or death for the Corleone family. In The Godfather, Don Vito Corleone is nearly assassinated as he buys oranges at a fruit stand. Later in the film, he dies with an orange in his mouth. Sonny Corleone is gunned down at a toll booth right after passing a billboard for oranges. In The Godfather Part III, Michael Corleone dies while he is holding an orange. Early on in the final episode, Tony is eating an orange as he ignores Carmela’s question, “Are you being careful?”(Tony apparently prefers fruit as he later says at the crew’s safe house that the one good thing about hiding is that he has not “had a green vegetable in a week”). An orange cat stares incessantly at the murdered Christopher’s picture. Paulie is convinced the cat is a bad omen. In the final scene in Holsten’s, the small orange cat has mutated into a large orange tiger on the back wall mural in Holsten’s (a back wall created by Chase and his production team). In one shot, the tiger hangs over Tony’s right shoulder, exactly where “Man in Member’s Only Jacket” will be when he comes out of the bathroom to shoot Tony.
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Basically you switch from the first person view (Tony's view) to the third person view (looking at Tony). So the show (while Meadow is parking) is looking at Tony until the diner door opens and then you get Tony's view. You get this a few times until the end. The hit man goes to the toilet and comes out and shoots Tony in the head just as it switches to his view of the door. Clearly his view (and his hearing) are black as he has just had his brains shot.
Earlier in the series the chap who runs the Bada Bing (I can't remember his name) discusses what happens when one is shot and he says that he read something about how if you are shot your brain stops functioning before you process the sound of the bullet. Thus if you are shot (like Tony is) you don't hear the bullet, it just goes black and quiet - because, basically, you are dead.
Thus, as the series finishes you are Tony and you are killed so it goes black.
So quick to judge!
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I suppose, without writing anything after they are right as well, it's up to the viewer to come to their own conclusions.
They all grassed in the end and didnt have an iota of the charm/ charisma the sopranos characters evoked.
As for the ending - I like that Inception has a definitive end. I think the Usual Suspects cheats the viewer by having no sensible explanation. I like that Lost, for its faults, had a definitive ending. Yet for some reason I am happy that Sopranos was left open.
I gather, if you go to film school, that you can come up with enough evidence to support Tony being dead (the conversation he had in an earlier episode about the sudden blackness, and Silvio's slow-motion experience of being up close to a murder being the big clues) plus the thing about Meadow 'trying' three times to park her car (a possible reference to the amount of attempts on Tony's life over the course of the show), and there's a lot on the POV shots. My personal take is that Tony is probably dead, but if not, the point being made was that he'll always be looking at the door.. always on edge... for the rest of his life.
Ultimately, if David Chase and co. decide to make a movie, I think the theories will go out the window!
If you are not already a member take a look at www.mafiatoday.com as there is some great material on there.
For example...
In The Godfather films, oranges often symbolize violence or death for the Corleone family. In The Godfather, Don Vito Corleone is nearly assassinated as he buys oranges at a fruit stand. Later in the film, he dies with an orange in his mouth. Sonny Corleone is gunned down at a toll booth right after passing a billboard for oranges. In The Godfather Part III, Michael Corleone dies while he is holding an orange. Early on in the final episode, Tony is eating an orange as he ignores Carmela’s question, “Are you being careful?”(Tony apparently prefers fruit as he later says at the crew’s safe house that the one good thing about hiding is that he has not “had a green vegetable in a week”). An orange cat stares incessantly at the murdered Christopher’s picture. Paulie is convinced the cat is a bad omen. In the final scene in Holsten’s, the small orange cat has mutated into a large orange tiger on the back wall mural in Holsten’s (a back wall created by Chase and his production team). In one shot, the tiger hangs over Tony’s right shoulder, exactly where “Man in Member’s Only Jacket” will be when he comes out of the bathroom to shoot Tony.
;-)