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Homophobia in football
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i did post on this thread then. Someone brought up foot fetishes. obviously I was watching Porridge around that time..Chizz said:
It's a disgusting and shaming blight on football that homophobia goes unpunished again and again. Well done to you @Danny Addick and to you @Bedsaddick because your opinion and view on homophobia will help it diminish over time. It's an embarrassing stain on football and, sadly, Charlton too.Danny Addick said:
Also heard one guy shout, "That's why you play for Brighton you big poof" in the East Stand last night. It was only one guy but again, if everyone ignores it or tuts under their breath (like I did to be honest), where do we go from here?Bedsaddick said:There was a “Does your boyfriend know your here” chant last night . Not for long and probably only a couple of dozen fans in the upper north but it happened and it made me cringe . It’s absolutely pathetic
Should you have said something to these people? Yes, you probably should. Would I have had the intestinal fortitude to do so? No, I wouldn't. And therein lies the problem with getting rid of it sooner.
It's unacceptable. But it's also unacceptable to leave it to fans to police themselves.
I am glad that there's less of it than there used to be. Opinions are changing very rapidly and (I hope) permanently. Ten years ago, posters on this site even thought it appropriate to make homophobic jokes on this thread.
Yesterday, a few neanderthals thought it amusing to display their ignorance and bigotry. It was probably lost on them that, on the same evening, the British public chose to award the Sports Personality of the Year award to a gay professional footballer.
doctor "are you or have you been a practising homosexual?"
Fletcher "what, with these feet?!"
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I absolutely wasn't referring to that!Karim_myBagheri said:
i did post on this thread then. Someone brought up foot fetishes. obviously I was watching Porridge around that time..Chizz said:
It's a disgusting and shaming blight on football that homophobia goes unpunished again and again. Well done to you @Danny Addick and to you @Bedsaddick because your opinion and view on homophobia will help it diminish over time. It's an embarrassing stain on football and, sadly, Charlton too.Danny Addick said:
Also heard one guy shout, "That's why you play for Brighton you big poof" in the East Stand last night. It was only one guy but again, if everyone ignores it or tuts under their breath (like I did to be honest), where do we go from here?Bedsaddick said:There was a “Does your boyfriend know your here” chant last night . Not for long and probably only a couple of dozen fans in the upper north but it happened and it made me cringe . It’s absolutely pathetic
Should you have said something to these people? Yes, you probably should. Would I have had the intestinal fortitude to do so? No, I wouldn't. And therein lies the problem with getting rid of it sooner.
It's unacceptable. But it's also unacceptable to leave it to fans to police themselves.
I am glad that there's less of it than there used to be. Opinions are changing very rapidly and (I hope) permanently. Ten years ago, posters on this site even thought it appropriate to make homophobic jokes on this thread.
Yesterday, a few neanderthals thought it amusing to display their ignorance and bigotry. It was probably lost on them that, on the same evening, the British public chose to award the Sports Personality of the Year award to a gay professional footballer.
doctor "are you or have you been a practising homosexual?"
Fletcher "what, with these feet?!"
(And, without derailing the thread, I don't think that's a homophobic joke. I think it's a brilliant play on words).2 -
That’s disappointing, even thought to myself how good it is that Brighton can come to ours in numbers and not get that shit that they get elsewhere.0
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What with these feet was the punchline to one of the funniest things ever.Karim_myBagheri said:
i did post on this thread then. Someone brought up foot fetishes. obviously I was watching Porridge around that time..Chizz said:
It's a disgusting and shaming blight on football that homophobia goes unpunished again and again. Well done to you @Danny Addick and to you @Bedsaddick because your opinion and view on homophobia will help it diminish over time. It's an embarrassing stain on football and, sadly, Charlton too.Danny Addick said:
Also heard one guy shout, "That's why you play for Brighton you big poof" in the East Stand last night. It was only one guy but again, if everyone ignores it or tuts under their breath (like I did to be honest), where do we go from here?Bedsaddick said:There was a “Does your boyfriend know your here” chant last night . Not for long and probably only a couple of dozen fans in the upper north but it happened and it made me cringe . It’s absolutely pathetic
Should you have said something to these people? Yes, you probably should. Would I have had the intestinal fortitude to do so? No, I wouldn't. And therein lies the problem with getting rid of it sooner.
It's unacceptable. But it's also unacceptable to leave it to fans to police themselves.
I am glad that there's less of it than there used to be. Opinions are changing very rapidly and (I hope) permanently. Ten years ago, posters on this site even thought it appropriate to make homophobic jokes on this thread.
Yesterday, a few neanderthals thought it amusing to display their ignorance and bigotry. It was probably lost on them that, on the same evening, the British public chose to award the Sports Personality of the Year award to a gay professional footballer.
doctor "are you or have you been a practising homosexual?"
Fletcher "what, with these feet?!"
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Sounds like you’ve got something stuck in your throat Dave.DaveMehmet said:
AhemValleyGary said:There were some proper wallys there last night but always is at them type of games. Don’t let a very tiny amount of cocks ruin what was a quality evening.
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Interesting and telling response that you’ve chosen to label calling out a homophobic incident as ‘complaining’.palarsehater said:coming on a forum and telling everyone what you heard 2 out of 10,000 people saying - its not a big problem its dying out slowly.
bit of a non event really.
im sure some people only go to football to then complain about thingsFairly certain I fully acknowledged that it was only one person so not sure how you’ve decided that I said homophobia was still a big problem. Also pretty sure I said I felt uncomfortable personally and that maybe I was the problem - trying to have a discussion about what happened and what I should have done seems acceptable don’t you think?15 -
While life has improved (this thread and others like it are testament to that) I do think homophobia is a major problem in English football. In the dressing rooms especially. What I find strange is how obsessed young males are with gay jokes. Often accusing each other of doing gay stuff, making comments and so on. I generally take it to be a sign of insecurities, or perhaps a lack of understanding of this thing that they'll never really have to concern themselves with. It happens on the chats in FIFA, it happens in the post-match bar. There's an odd undercurrent that I don't understand. And I don't think they do either, they just go along with it. Either way, it's not a problem that's dying out in football. At the very heart of the sport it's still a major issue.
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Danny Addick said:
Interesting and telling response that you’ve chosen to label calling out a homophobic incident as ‘complaining’.palarsehater said:coming on a forum and telling everyone what you heard 2 out of 10,000 people saying - its not a big problem its dying out slowly.
bit of a non event really.
im sure some people only go to football to then complain about thingsFairly certain I fully acknowledged that it was only one person so not sure how you’ve decided that I said homophobia was still a big problem. Also pretty sure I said I felt uncomfortable personally and that maybe I was the problem - trying to have a discussion about what happened and what I should have done seems acceptable don’t you think?
Not complaining but this is a football forum, Seems every time we have a big game some can’t wait to get on here and label what bad stuff they saw. Tell the club and then possibly perpetrators can be caught.But from 10 years ago where it was chanted regular does your boyfriend know your here and we can see you holding hands. It’s not chanted anymore so it is a declining issue.0 -
Both were chanted last night.palarsehater said:Danny Addick said:
Interesting and telling response that you’ve chosen to label calling out a homophobic incident as ‘complaining’.palarsehater said:coming on a forum and telling everyone what you heard 2 out of 10,000 people saying - its not a big problem its dying out slowly.
bit of a non event really.
im sure some people only go to football to then complain about thingsFairly certain I fully acknowledged that it was only one person so not sure how you’ve decided that I said homophobia was still a big problem. Also pretty sure I said I felt uncomfortable personally and that maybe I was the problem - trying to have a discussion about what happened and what I should have done seems acceptable don’t you think?
Not complaining but this is a football forum, Seems every time we have a big game some can’t wait to get on here and label what bad stuff they saw. Tell the club and then possibly perpetrators can be caught.But from 10 years ago where it was chanted regular does your boyfriend know your here and we can see you holding hands. It’s not chanted anymore so it is a declining issue.6 -
It's almost like some people would prefer it if there wasn't "bad stuff" to see.palarsehater said:Danny Addick said:
Interesting and telling response that you’ve chosen to label calling out a homophobic incident as ‘complaining’.palarsehater said:coming on a forum and telling everyone what you heard 2 out of 10,000 people saying - its not a big problem its dying out slowly.
bit of a non event really.
im sure some people only go to football to then complain about thingsFairly certain I fully acknowledged that it was only one person so not sure how you’ve decided that I said homophobia was still a big problem. Also pretty sure I said I felt uncomfortable personally and that maybe I was the problem - trying to have a discussion about what happened and what I should have done seems acceptable don’t you think?
Not complaining but this is a football forum, Seems every time we have a big game some can’t wait to get on here and label what bad stuff they saw. Tell the club and then possibly perpetrators can be caught.But from 10 years ago where it was chanted regular does your boyfriend know your here and we can see you holding hands. It’s not chanted anymore so it is a declining issue.
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nice one jizzChizz said:
It's almost like some people would prefer it if there wasn't "bad stuff" to see.palarsehater said:Danny Addick said:
Interesting and telling response that you’ve chosen to label calling out a homophobic incident as ‘complaining’.palarsehater said:coming on a forum and telling everyone what you heard 2 out of 10,000 people saying - its not a big problem its dying out slowly.
bit of a non event really.
im sure some people only go to football to then complain about thingsFairly certain I fully acknowledged that it was only one person so not sure how you’ve decided that I said homophobia was still a big problem. Also pretty sure I said I felt uncomfortable personally and that maybe I was the problem - trying to have a discussion about what happened and what I should have done seems acceptable don’t you think?
Not complaining but this is a football forum, Seems every time we have a big game some can’t wait to get on here and label what bad stuff they saw. Tell the club and then possibly perpetrators can be caught.But from 10 years ago where it was chanted regular does your boyfriend know your here and we can see you holding hands. It’s not chanted anymore so it is a declining issue.
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on mass? i was in north upper g block and didnt hear itRalphMilnesgut said:
Both were chanted last night.palarsehater said:Danny Addick said:
Interesting and telling response that you’ve chosen to label calling out a homophobic incident as ‘complaining’.palarsehater said:coming on a forum and telling everyone what you heard 2 out of 10,000 people saying - its not a big problem its dying out slowly.
bit of a non event really.
im sure some people only go to football to then complain about thingsFairly certain I fully acknowledged that it was only one person so not sure how you’ve decided that I said homophobia was still a big problem. Also pretty sure I said I felt uncomfortable personally and that maybe I was the problem - trying to have a discussion about what happened and what I should have done seems acceptable don’t you think?
Not complaining but this is a football forum, Seems every time we have a big game some can’t wait to get on here and label what bad stuff they saw. Tell the club and then possibly perpetrators can be caught.But from 10 years ago where it was chanted regular does your boyfriend know your here and we can see you holding hands. It’s not chanted anymore so it is a declining issue.2 -
I was also in the same block. Second row from the back and I could certainly hear both songs, admittedly not in my immediate surroundings.palarsehater said:
on mass? i was in north upper g block and didnt hear itRalphMilnesgut said:
Both were chanted last night.palarsehater said:Danny Addick said:
Interesting and telling response that you’ve chosen to label calling out a homophobic incident as ‘complaining’.palarsehater said:coming on a forum and telling everyone what you heard 2 out of 10,000 people saying - its not a big problem its dying out slowly.
bit of a non event really.
im sure some people only go to football to then complain about thingsFairly certain I fully acknowledged that it was only one person so not sure how you’ve decided that I said homophobia was still a big problem. Also pretty sure I said I felt uncomfortable personally and that maybe I was the problem - trying to have a discussion about what happened and what I should have done seems acceptable don’t you think?
Not complaining but this is a football forum, Seems every time we have a big game some can’t wait to get on here and label what bad stuff they saw. Tell the club and then possibly perpetrators can be caught.But from 10 years ago where it was chanted regular does your boyfriend know your here and we can see you holding hands. It’s not chanted anymore so it is a declining issue.
I'm not trying to be dramatic as it was far, far worse a few years ago. Let's hope in a few more years they will not be sung at all.4 -
It's not like there should be an "okay" level of homophobia though. Decline is a good thing of course but those songs being sung AT ALL is pretty appalling in 2022.RalphMilnesgut said:
I was also in the same block. Second row from the back and I could certainly hear both songs, admittedly not in my immediate surroundings.palarsehater said:
on mass? i was in north upper g block and didnt hear itRalphMilnesgut said:
Both were chanted last night.palarsehater said:Danny Addick said:
Interesting and telling response that you’ve chosen to label calling out a homophobic incident as ‘complaining’.palarsehater said:coming on a forum and telling everyone what you heard 2 out of 10,000 people saying - its not a big problem its dying out slowly.
bit of a non event really.
im sure some people only go to football to then complain about thingsFairly certain I fully acknowledged that it was only one person so not sure how you’ve decided that I said homophobia was still a big problem. Also pretty sure I said I felt uncomfortable personally and that maybe I was the problem - trying to have a discussion about what happened and what I should have done seems acceptable don’t you think?
Not complaining but this is a football forum, Seems every time we have a big game some can’t wait to get on here and label what bad stuff they saw. Tell the club and then possibly perpetrators can be caught.But from 10 years ago where it was chanted regular does your boyfriend know your here and we can see you holding hands. It’s not chanted anymore so it is a declining issue.
I'm not trying to be dramatic as it was far, far worse a few years ago. Let's hope in a few more years they will not be sung at all.
Could it be worse? Absolutely. Could (and should) it be better? Equally absolutely.9 -
Definitely worse years ago. I can remember going to Brighton when the majority of the away end sung both songs.RalphMilnesgut said:
I was also in the same block. Second row from the back and I could certainly hear both songs, admittedly not in my immediate surroundings.palarsehater said:
on mass? i was in north upper g block and didnt hear itRalphMilnesgut said:
Both were chanted last night.palarsehater said:Danny Addick said:
Interesting and telling response that you’ve chosen to label calling out a homophobic incident as ‘complaining’.palarsehater said:coming on a forum and telling everyone what you heard 2 out of 10,000 people saying - its not a big problem its dying out slowly.
bit of a non event really.
im sure some people only go to football to then complain about thingsFairly certain I fully acknowledged that it was only one person so not sure how you’ve decided that I said homophobia was still a big problem. Also pretty sure I said I felt uncomfortable personally and that maybe I was the problem - trying to have a discussion about what happened and what I should have done seems acceptable don’t you think?
Not complaining but this is a football forum, Seems every time we have a big game some can’t wait to get on here and label what bad stuff they saw. Tell the club and then possibly perpetrators can be caught.But from 10 years ago where it was chanted regular does your boyfriend know your here and we can see you holding hands. It’s not chanted anymore so it is a declining issue.
I'm not trying to be dramatic as it was far, far worse a few years ago. Let's hope in a few more years they will not be sung at all.0 -
Oh, bravo! I see the book on 'The Wit of Oscar Wilde' will no longer be necessary this Christmas.palarsehater said:
nice one jizzChizz said:
It's almost like some people would prefer it if there wasn't "bad stuff" to see.palarsehater said:Danny Addick said:
Interesting and telling response that you’ve chosen to label calling out a homophobic incident as ‘complaining’.palarsehater said:coming on a forum and telling everyone what you heard 2 out of 10,000 people saying - its not a big problem its dying out slowly.
bit of a non event really.
im sure some people only go to football to then complain about thingsFairly certain I fully acknowledged that it was only one person so not sure how you’ve decided that I said homophobia was still a big problem. Also pretty sure I said I felt uncomfortable personally and that maybe I was the problem - trying to have a discussion about what happened and what I should have done seems acceptable don’t you think?
Not complaining but this is a football forum, Seems every time we have a big game some can’t wait to get on here and label what bad stuff they saw. Tell the club and then possibly perpetrators can be caught.But from 10 years ago where it was chanted regular does your boyfriend know your here and we can see you holding hands. It’s not chanted anymore so it is a declining issue.1 -
The whole "stop being so gay" or "gaayyy" was well used when I was at school. I never saw it as an attack on gay people as such but it was a put down. At school being gay was the last thing you wanted to be accused of. Not sure this is still the case in schools but it was at mine and others. Ricky gervais said similar for his school.JiMMy 85 said:While life has improved (this thread and others like it are testament to that) I do think homophobia is a major problem in English football. In the dressing rooms especially. What I find strange is how obsessed young males are with gay jokes. Often accusing each other of doing gay stuff, making comments and so on. I generally take it to be a sign of insecurities, or perhaps a lack of understanding of this thing that they'll never really have to concern themselves with. It happens on the chats in FIFA, it happens in the post-match bar. There's an odd undercurrent that I don't understand. And I don't think they do either, they just go along with it. Either way, it's not a problem that's dying out in football. At the very heart of the sport it's still a major issue.2 -
It's relatively simple.Danny Addick said:Last night on the walk back up the hill, a chap in his twenties with a flat cap was yelling 'f****ts' and 'g*y boys' at a couple of Brighton fans in their 50/60s walking on the other side of the road. He was clearly very drunk but it's no excuse.
I found it quite upsetting as I'm sure the Brighton fans did too. I can't help wondering what I should have done and I've thought about it lots since. Since I felt uncomfortable and did nothing, am I part of the problem?
Totally understand it was one person that I saw doing this and I'm simply asking the question really - how do we stop this?
All that is needed is to completely eradicate fear and ignorance in all mankind, and homophobia, racism, sexism etc will be extirpated forever.
In the meantime, do what you are capable of achieving, and that's conducting yourself as a decent member of society who doesn't exhibit the sort of behaviour as was witnessed on Wednesday after the game.
However, if you're a bit handy and decide to give the pissed-up flat-capper a punch up the bracket, it would not be deemed unreasonable behaviour under the circumstances.
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You must be mutton then because that’s where I was and I heard both .palarsehater said:
on mass? i was in north upper g block and didnt hear itRalphMilnesgut said:
Both were chanted last night.palarsehater said:Danny Addick said:
Interesting and telling response that you’ve chosen to label calling out a homophobic incident as ‘complaining’.palarsehater said:coming on a forum and telling everyone what you heard 2 out of 10,000 people saying - its not a big problem its dying out slowly.
bit of a non event really.
im sure some people only go to football to then complain about thingsFairly certain I fully acknowledged that it was only one person so not sure how you’ve decided that I said homophobia was still a big problem. Also pretty sure I said I felt uncomfortable personally and that maybe I was the problem - trying to have a discussion about what happened and what I should have done seems acceptable don’t you think?
Not complaining but this is a football forum, Seems every time we have a big game some can’t wait to get on here and label what bad stuff they saw. Tell the club and then possibly perpetrators can be caught.But from 10 years ago where it was chanted regular does your boyfriend know your here and we can see you holding hands. It’s not chanted anymore so it is a declining issue.1 -
Yeah I used 'gay' as a derogatory term without even thinking about it. In 2014 a lad who had worked for me for a few years told me he was gay. I was like, okay cool, whatever. Then wondered why he had told me. It was a TV company, loads of people there are gay.Karim_myBagheri said:
The whole "stop being so gay" or "gaayyy" was well used when I was at school. I never saw it as an attack on gay people as such but it was a put down. At school being gay was the last thing you wanted to be accused of. Not sure this is still the case in schools but it was at mine and others. Ricky gervais said similar for his school.JiMMy 85 said:While life has improved (this thread and others like it are testament to that) I do think homophobia is a major problem in English football. In the dressing rooms especially. What I find strange is how obsessed young males are with gay jokes. Often accusing each other of doing gay stuff, making comments and so on. I generally take it to be a sign of insecurities, or perhaps a lack of understanding of this thing that they'll never really have to concern themselves with. It happens on the chats in FIFA, it happens in the post-match bar. There's an odd undercurrent that I don't understand. And I don't think they do either, they just go along with it. Either way, it's not a problem that's dying out in football. At the very heart of the sport it's still a major issue.
Then I realised I had been saying stuff like "oh my god that's so gay, I hate it" or whatever in his presence. And for him, that's really shitty. Made me realise how hard it must be to go through life overhearing shit like that.8 -
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Heard a few kids using those insults the other day on a bus so its probably still a thingKarim_myBagheri said:
The whole "stop being so gay" or "gaayyy" was well used when I was at school. I never saw it as an attack on gay people as such but it was a put down. At school being gay was the last thing you wanted to be accused of. Not sure this is still the case in schools but it was at mine and others. Ricky gervais said similar for his school.JiMMy 85 said:While life has improved (this thread and others like it are testament to that) I do think homophobia is a major problem in English football. In the dressing rooms especially. What I find strange is how obsessed young males are with gay jokes. Often accusing each other of doing gay stuff, making comments and so on. I generally take it to be a sign of insecurities, or perhaps a lack of understanding of this thing that they'll never really have to concern themselves with. It happens on the chats in FIFA, it happens in the post-match bar. There's an odd undercurrent that I don't understand. And I don't think they do either, they just go along with it. Either way, it's not a problem that's dying out in football. At the very heart of the sport it's still a major issue.1 -
At the station the Brighton fans chanted 'you're too ugly to be gay'.6
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The holding hands one was by about 5 people and quickly died out when they realised they looked like mugs.RalphMilnesgut said:
Both were chanted last night.palarsehater said:Danny Addick said:
Interesting and telling response that you’ve chosen to label calling out a homophobic incident as ‘complaining’.palarsehater said:coming on a forum and telling everyone what you heard 2 out of 10,000 people saying - its not a big problem its dying out slowly.
bit of a non event really.
im sure some people only go to football to then complain about thingsFairly certain I fully acknowledged that it was only one person so not sure how you’ve decided that I said homophobia was still a big problem. Also pretty sure I said I felt uncomfortable personally and that maybe I was the problem - trying to have a discussion about what happened and what I should have done seems acceptable don’t you think?
Not complaining but this is a football forum, Seems every time we have a big game some can’t wait to get on here and label what bad stuff they saw. Tell the club and then possibly perpetrators can be caught.But from 10 years ago where it was chanted regular does your boyfriend know your here and we can see you holding hands. It’s not chanted anymore so it is a declining issue.1 -
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The holding hands one was by about 5 people and quickly died out when they realised they looked like mugs.RalphMilnesgut said:
Both were chanted last night.palarsehater said:Danny Addick said:
Interesting and telling response that you’ve chosen to label calling out a homophobic incident as ‘complaining’.palarsehater said:coming on a forum and telling everyone what you heard 2 out of 10,000 people saying - its not a big problem its dying out slowly.
bit of a non event really.
im sure some people only go to football to then complain about thingsFairly certain I fully acknowledged that it was only one person so not sure how you’ve decided that I said homophobia was still a big problem. Also pretty sure I said I felt uncomfortable personally and that maybe I was the problem - trying to have a discussion about what happened and what I should have done seems acceptable don’t you think?
Not complaining but this is a football forum, Seems every time we have a big game some can’t wait to get on here and label what bad stuff they saw. Tell the club and then possibly perpetrators can be caught.But from 10 years ago where it was chanted regular does your boyfriend know your here and we can see you holding hands. It’s not chanted anymore so it is a declining issue.0 -
Does the club have a method of reporting these incidents during a game? Maybe an option if you don’t want to confront someone. I think if you did though others would support you.9
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What happened to that annoying announcement? Don’t remember it happening on Weds.The Red Robin said:Does the club have a method of reporting these incidents during a game? Maybe an option if you don’t want to confront someone. I think if you did though others would support you.0 -
Not sure why this gets two lols. Weird.The Red Robin said:Does the club have a method of reporting these incidents during a game? Maybe an option if you don’t want to confront someone. I think if you did though others would support you.1 -
I lol’d because I thought it was a joke. There was a whole thread on the abuse number not so long ago. I thought it was like a “if only there was a way to report abuse 😉’ comment.The Red Robin said:
Not sure why this gets two lols. Weird.The Red Robin said:Does the club have a method of reporting these incidents during a game? Maybe an option if you don’t want to confront someone. I think if you did though others would support you.4 -
Ahhh OK - completely missed that 🤦♂️JaShea99 said:
I lol’d because I thought it was a joke. There was a whole thread on the abuse number not so long ago. I thought it was like a “if only there was a way to report abuse 😉’ comment.The Red Robin said:
Not sure why this gets two lols. Weird.The Red Robin said:Does the club have a method of reporting these incidents during a game? Maybe an option if you don’t want to confront someone. I think if you did though others would support you.1 -
How many on here are either gay or black?
Find it very amusing that most who ain’t get very upset about those who are.
Be very keen to hear from those two groups mentioned.
Genuine question.2
