The timing of the Ched Evans rape trial...
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That's gotta be bullshit re.the £3m contract surely??? Also, I thought Sheffield Utd had sacked him after the conviction?0
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If Mark Wahlberg can carry on being a celebrity, anyone can.0
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Fair pointkings hill addick said:
But is that not true of all occupations? Football is an obvious results business but I would suggest that all jobs, that have an easy way to measure performance, have employees that can fail to conform and be allowed to stay on the payroll where less successful colleagues would have to go.Addick in SW16 said:I do believe that once someone has served their time they should be allowed to make a living, but this has left a surprisingly bitter taste in my mouth mainly because of the double standards in football. If he hadn't been such a key player for them, they wouldn't go anywhere near him and that makes me pretty angry.
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I just wouldn't feel comfortable cheering him on if it was my club. Disappointed in Sheffield Utd.0
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Text someone I know who works for the blades, he doesn't think it will happen.0
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Can honestly say if that was Charlton I would not go to a game or cheer them on whilst he was a member of the team3
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micks1950 said:
If you read the mirror article it's "a £3million three-year contract...a new £18,000-a-week deal"....Chris_from_Sidcup said:I doubt he'll be earning anywhere close to 3m a year in league one
Fair enough then. I mis-read the amount, but even so 18k a week in league one! Can't see him getting that much either0 -
I'll be careful what I say here but I have seen a number of celebrities on the TV saying that it was 'suspected' that Jimmy Saville was doing things that he shouldn't have been to, shall we say, underage people.IA said:
Maybe in theory, but do you have any examples?kings hill addick said:
But is that not true of all occupations? Football is an obvious results business but I would suggest that all jobs, that have an easy way to measure performance, have employees that can fail to conform and be allowed to stay on the payroll where less successful colleagues would have to go.Addick in SW16 said:I do believe that once someone has served their time they should be allowed to make a living, but this has left a surprisingly bitter taste in my mouth mainly because of the double standards in football. If he hadn't been such a key player for them, they wouldn't go anywhere near him and that makes me pretty angry.
I couldn't imagine a director in my company bouncing back into the same job and salary following a rape conviction.
I think it's more likely to happen at the lower end of the wage scale.
The reason that was given for turning a blind eye was that Saville was a massive celebrity and 'accusing' him of anything could affect one's career.
But in answer to your direct question I don't, personally, know or associate with any convicted rapists, funnily enough!0 -
I agree that everyone has the right to a second chance if they have served their time in the eyes of the law but if he ended up at my club, they would not get any of my money whilst he was employed.0
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The vast majority of Sheffield United fans were very angry about Ched being found guilty and have almost been campaigning on his behalf to get the conviction quashed. Mainly because he was a key player for tem. If Ched had been playing for us and been convicted a lot of our fans would have had the same emotions as Sheffield Uniteds' fans. Just saying.0
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Certainly no angel, but he never raped anyone did he?SELR_addicks said:If Mark Wahlberg can carry on being a celebrity, anyone can.
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Nope, just racially motivated attempted murder.Croydon said:
Certainly no angel, but he never raped anyone did he?SELR_addicks said:If Mark Wahlberg can carry on being a celebrity, anyone can.
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Just read about that on Wikipedia, served just 45 days in prison for itSELR_addicks said:
Nope, just racially motivated attempted murder.Croydon said:
Certainly no angel, but he never raped anyone did he?SELR_addicks said:If Mark Wahlberg can carry on being a celebrity, anyone can.
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what the hell is this postAddickFC81 said:The vast majority of Sheffield United fans were very angry about Ched being found guilty and have almost been campaigning on his behalf to get the conviction quashed. Mainly because he was a key player for tem. If Ched had been playing for us and been convicted a lot of our fans would have had the same emotions as Sheffield Uniteds' fans. Just saying.
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OK, I'd put football as a subset of celebrity, but I don't think the same rules apply to non-celebrity offenders, regardless of their abilities. It's only at the lower end of the salary scale that people can get the same kind of job as where they left.kings hill addick said:
I'll be careful what I say here but I have seen a number of celebrities on the TV saying that it was 'suspected' that Jimmy Saville was doing things that he shouldn't have been to, shall we say, underage people.IA said:
Maybe in theory, but do you have any examples?kings hill addick said:
But is that not true of all occupations? Football is an obvious results business but I would suggest that all jobs, that have an easy way to measure performance, have employees that can fail to conform and be allowed to stay on the payroll where less successful colleagues would have to go.Addick in SW16 said:I do believe that once someone has served their time they should be allowed to make a living, but this has left a surprisingly bitter taste in my mouth mainly because of the double standards in football. If he hadn't been such a key player for them, they wouldn't go anywhere near him and that makes me pretty angry.
I couldn't imagine a director in my company bouncing back into the same job and salary following a rape conviction.
I think it's more likely to happen at the lower end of the wage scale.
The reason that was given for turning a blind eye was that Saville was a massive celebrity and 'accusing' him of anything could affect one's career.
But in answer to your direct question I don't, personally, know or associate with any convicted rapists, funnily enough!
You don't have to. I don't socialise with anyone from my work, but I have a strong feeling that none of the senior leaders would walk back into the same job/salary if they were convicted rapists. From your answer, sounds like it's the same at places you've worked.0 -
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what the hell is this postAddickFC81 said:The vast majority of Sheffield United fans were very angry about Ched being found guilty and have almost been campaigning on his behalf to get the conviction quashed. Mainly because he was a key player for tem. If Ched had been playing for us and been convicted a lot of our fans would have had the same emotions as Sheffield Uniteds' fans. Just saying.
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Oh, I know. I was too!Chris_from_Sidcup said:Leuth said:
what the hell is this postAddickFC81 said:The vast majority of Sheffield United fans were very angry about Ched being found guilty and have almost been campaigning on his behalf to get the conviction quashed. Mainly because he was a key player for tem. If Ched had been playing for us and been convicted a lot of our fans would have had the same emotions as Sheffield Uniteds' fans. Just saying.
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Still don't get why people get to see who has 'flagged' someone..0
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Not a chance IMO.AddickFC81 said:The vast majority of Sheffield United fans were very angry about Ched being found guilty and have almost been campaigning on his behalf to get the conviction quashed. Mainly because he was a key player for tem. If Ched had been playing for us and been convicted a lot of our fans would have had the same emotions as Sheffield Uniteds' fans. Just saying.
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Know the minimal about the case but 2 years or whatever he served for rape seems lenient
Or was he charged for something different , obviously there's different situations etc
But just seems as if his sentence is too short for the seriousness of a rape case.
Although they may be taking in to the fact that the woman has gone back to the hotel of her own free will I'm guessing and things may be taken into account that I haven't heard about
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Yeah, fair enough. The 'crimes' that my colleagues have got away with have never been as serious as rape, but there is certainly a different set of rules for the top performers.IA said:
OK, I'd put football as a subset of celebrity, but I don't think the same rules apply to non-celebrity offenders, regardless of their abilities. It's only at the lower end of the salary scale that people can get the same kind of job as where they left.kings hill addick said:
I'll be careful what I say here but I have seen a number of celebrities on the TV saying that it was 'suspected' that Jimmy Saville was doing things that he shouldn't have been to, shall we say, underage people.IA said:
Maybe in theory, but do you have any examples?kings hill addick said:
But is that not true of all occupations? Football is an obvious results business but I would suggest that all jobs, that have an easy way to measure performance, have employees that can fail to conform and be allowed to stay on the payroll where less successful colleagues would have to go.Addick in SW16 said:I do believe that once someone has served their time they should be allowed to make a living, but this has left a surprisingly bitter taste in my mouth mainly because of the double standards in football. If he hadn't been such a key player for them, they wouldn't go anywhere near him and that makes me pretty angry.
I couldn't imagine a director in my company bouncing back into the same job and salary following a rape conviction.
I think it's more likely to happen at the lower end of the wage scale.
The reason that was given for turning a blind eye was that Saville was a massive celebrity and 'accusing' him of anything could affect one's career.
But in answer to your direct question I don't, personally, know or associate with any convicted rapists, funnily enough!
You don't have to. I don't socialise with anyone from my work, but I have a strong feeling that none of the senior leaders would walk back into the same job/salary if they were convicted rapists. From your answer, sounds like it's the same at places you've worked.
However, I get your point. Bunking off for the afternoon to play golf would get some employees sacked but others get away with it. It is my belief (with no evidence, at all) that this rule would apply to more serious crimes too.
It is more likely that we don't have rapists in our offices because we don't work with the sort of people that would get themselves into those positions.
However, you are probably right.0 -
Very disappointed with Nigel Clough if this is anything other than paper talk.
I've always regarded him as a decent man with family values.0 -
I never thought I would ever say this but I couldn't agree more with you Paul.paulie8290 said:Can honestly say if that was Charlton I would not go to a game or cheer them on whilst he was a member of the team
Next stop the hairdressers:-)
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Scummy wanker, imagine the amount of late tackles etc on him by players disgusted by his acts, not to mention the abuse he'll get from fans and the negative press it will create for Sheffield United
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Sorry, but I agree. All football fans are capable of amazing double standards.Leuth said:
what the hell is this postAddickFC81 said:The vast majority of Sheffield United fans were very angry about Ched being found guilty and have almost been campaigning on his behalf to get the conviction quashed. Mainly because he was a key player for tem. If Ched had been playing for us and been convicted a lot of our fans would have had the same emotions as Sheffield Uniteds' fans. Just saying.
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It's been a while since I saw up to date statistics, but I think 3-5 years is the average sentence for rape convictions. I think it's proposed that Evans is released after 2 years, half of his sentence, and will be tagged and serve the rest as a suspended sentence.oohaahmortimer said:Know the minimal about the case but 2 years or whatever he served for rape seems lenient
Or was he charged for something different , obviously there's different situations etc
But just seems as if his sentence is too short for the seriousness of a rape case.
Although they may be taking in to the fact that the woman has gone back to the hotel of her own free will I'm guessing and things may be taken into account that I haven't heard about
I agree with AddickFC81 too, unfortunately. I doubt it's too hard to find a Sheff Utd fan who calls Gary Madine "scum" but has spent the last two years looking at the evidence to "prove" Ched Evans is innocent.
KHA, I wouldn't make that assumption about the people we work with. It's not just something that happens in a dark alley, as this case shows.0 -
You'll probably find managers do not have much say in it when the board are looking at £ symbols on a player.LenGlover said:Very disappointed with Nigel Clough if this is anything other than paper talk.
I've always regarded him as a decent man with family values.
I know the case was different but Lee Hughes easily found employment once he was released.0 -
He made a mistake. Might not be what you would consider a nice or good person, but at the end of the day he's done his time.
No, you wouldn't what that kind of thing associated with your club, it would be hard to cheer him on if he played for your club, but he has still done time for his mistake.
He has a damaging criminal record to his name, but deserves a 2nd chance... Which maybe shouldn't be in football, but if it is, then, oh well.2 -
Some mistake! Deserves no second chance at all and most people would say that he has served nothing like he deserved.Dave2l said:He made a mistake. Might not be what you would consider a nice or good person, but at the end of the day he's done his time.
No, you wouldn't what that kind of thing associated with your club, it would be hard to cheer him on if he played for your club, but he has still done time for his mistake.
He has a damaging criminal record to his name, but deserves a 2nd chance... Which maybe shouldn't be in football, but if it is, then, oh well.
I could never cheer anything that a convicted rapist did.2
