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    Maybe she can swim so fast due to the work ethic in China dwarfing anything in any western country.

    An average high school kid starts at 7am and finishes at around 10pm. Now just imagine what their star athletes have to go through.
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    They even make them post their entries twice when on the internet, so imagine how they train.
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    Katie Ledecky tonight won the 800 metres freestyle (beating, alas, Rebecca Adlington) at just 15 years of age. She said she had shaved 20 seconds off her time in the last year so can we now expect the Americans to question her progress? Ah, perhaps not, because she is American. These games have shown how althletes can improve their personal best times so unless and until there is evidence to show they have cheated, I will just enjoy their successes.

    ps I am a bit concerned about Stu's reference in his first post to 'the work ethic in China dwarfs'. Don't the taller Chinese have the same work ethic??:-)
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    Surly there will come a time when it will become humanly impossible to seconds off records. If we carry on at this rate the event will have finished before its begun.
    As for Ye Shiwen, her achievement has been tainted by her countries past activities with doping.
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    If I were the Chinese I'd politely be enquiring how when their swimmer knocks 5s off her time over a 2 year period its due to doping,but when an American girl knocks 20s off her time in 10 months no questions are asked.
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    Adlington must be on drugs to only get bronze.
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    Surly there will come a time when it will become humanly impossible to seconds off records. If we carry on at this rate the event will have finished before its begun.
    As for Ye Shiwen, her achievement has been tainted by her countries past activities with doping.

    Check out Americas past activities with doping.

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    Innocent! Semen sample showed she's clean, can't argue with that.
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    I simply find it puzzling that Ye Shiwen doesn't compete in, say, 50m or 100m straight up freestyle, but restricts herself to the medley.
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    ps I am a bit concerned about Stu's reference in his first post to 'the work ethic in China dwarfs'. Don't the taller Chinese have the same work ethic??:-)


    It's the 26hours a day of school that makes them small, the tall ones are clearly lazy, that's why they suck at basketball ;-)
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    seth plum said:

    Surly there will come a time when it will become humanly impossible to seconds off records. If we carry on at this rate the event will have finished before its begun.
    As for Ye Shiwen, her achievement has been tainted by her countries past activities with doping.

    Check out Americas past activities with doping.

    Check out any country, drugs in sport isn't unique to China's past alone but their (swimmers) performances in pool a few years back is still fresh in the memory. Their coach put the outstanding performances and results down to training methods and turtles blood but not doping.
    For me, China and Ye Shiwen will have to repeat these performances over the next few years to repair the damage to their name.
    In the past and maybe today the best chemists (not Boots or Lloyds) won medals. Whenever there is an outstanding performance, regardless of nationality, doping will be mentioned. Unless its us. We're British and play fair ;-)
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    regardless of nationality

    I wonder about that in this instance.


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    Interesting report on Radio 4's More Or Less programme on drug taking in sport. It doesn't suggest there's any problem with Ye Shiwen's swim. Instead it suggests that many athletics records from the '80s may never be broken as a result of doping around that era.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01l8rbq

    Starts at 0:01:45
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    There are some old world records out there:

    Mens:
    Discus - June 86
    Shot Put - May 90
    Long Jump - Aug 91
    4x400m - Aug 93
    High Jump - July 93
    Pole Vault - July 94
    Triple Jump - Aug 95
    Hammer - May 96
    1500 m - July 98
    1 mile - July 98
    400m - Aug 99
    100m Aug 2009
    200m - Aug 2009
    800m - Aug 2010

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    Women

    800m - July 83
    400m Oct 85
    High Jump - Aug 87
    Long Jump - Jun 88
    100 m - Jul 88
    100m hurdles - Aug 88
    200m - Sep 88
    1500 - Sep 93
    10k - Sep 93
    mile - Aug 96
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