KP and Chiles together, all you needed was Alan Green doing the traffic reports and I would have been over the moon. Had to turn it over to Pop Master as the bloke cannot open his mouth without talking 24 carat shit.
He's a bloody South African ffs. Should never have played for England. Forget about him. Move on.
Agree 100%
If we are unable to produce enough English players good enough to compete then we should just be putting out a crap, but English team.
The same goes for the other national sports teams.
The fact that other nations do it is no excuse either in my opinion.
Does that mean that none of the following shouldn't have been allowed to play for England because they weren't born here? Or do you draw the line somewhere?
Adam Hollioake Albert Trott Allan Lamb Amjad Khan Andrew Strauss Basil D'Olivera Ben Hollioake Ben Stokes Billy Murdoch Bob Woolmer Boyd Rankin Chris Jordan Chris Lewis Colin Cowdrey Craig Kieswetter Derek Pringle Dermot Reeve Devon Malcolm Donald Carr Douglas Jardine Edward Wynyard Eoin Morgan Errol Holmes Freddie Brown Gary Ballance Gavin Hamilton George Emmett Geraint Jones Gladstone Small Graeme Hick Gubby Allen, Ian Greig Jade Dernbach Jason Gallian John Ferris Jonathan Trott K.S. Duleepsinhji (‘Duleep’) KP Lord Harris Matt Prior Michael Lumb Minal Patel Nasser Hussain Nawab of Pataudi Neil Radford Neil Williams Neville Tufnell Nick Compton Norman Cowans Norman Mitchell-Innes Owais Shah Paul Parker Paul Terry Pelham Warner Phil Edmonds Phillip DeFreitas Ranjitsinhji Richard Young Robin Jackman Robin Smith Roland Butcher Sam Robson Sammy Woods Ted Dexter Tim Ambrose Tony Greig Usman Afzaal Wilf Slack
That's 68 players in all (and I might have missed a few too) who have played for England and weren't born here.
He's a bloody South African ffs. Should never have played for England. Forget about him. Move on.
Agree 100%
If we are unable to produce enough English players good enough to compete then we should just be putting out a crap, but English team.
The same goes for the other national sports teams.
The fact that other nations do it is no excuse either in my opinion.
Does that mean that none of the following shouldn't have been allowed to play for England because they weren't born here? Or do you draw the line somewhere?
Adam Hollioake Albert Trott Allan Lamb Amjad Khan Andrew Strauss Basil D'Olivera Ben Hollioake Ben Stokes Billy Murdoch Bob Woolmer Boyd Rankin Chris Jordan Chris Lewis Colin Cowdrey Craig Kieswetter Derek Pringle Dermot Reeve Devon Malcolm Donald Carr Douglas Jardine Edward Wynyard Eoin Morgan Errol Holmes Freddie Brown Gary Ballance Gavin Hamilton George Emmett Geraint Jones Gladstone Small Graeme Hick Gubby Allen, Ian Greig Jade Dernbach Jason Gallian John Ferris Jonathan Trott K.S. Duleepsinhji (‘Duleep’) KP Lord Harris Matt Prior Michael Lumb Minal Patel Nasser Hussain Nawab of Pataudi Neil Radford Neil Williams Neville Tufnell Nick Compton Norman Cowans Norman Mitchell-Innes Owais Shah Paul Parker Paul Terry Pelham Warner Phil Edmonds Phillip DeFreitas Ranjitsinhji Richard Young Robin Jackman Robin Smith Roland Butcher Sam Robson Sammy Woods Ted Dexter Tim Ambrose Tony Greig Usman Afzaal Wilf Slack
That's 68 players in all (and I might have missed a few too) who have played for England and weren't born here.
Robin Smith's brother Chris "Kippy" Smith is one you have missed.
He's a bloody South African ffs. Should never have played for England. Forget about him. Move on.
Agree 100%
If we are unable to produce enough English players good enough to compete then we should just be putting out a crap, but English team.
The same goes for the other national sports teams.
The fact that other nations do it is no excuse either in my opinion.
Does that mean that none of the following shouldn't have been allowed to play for England because they weren't born here? Or do you draw the line somewhere?
Adam Hollioake Albert Trott Allan Lamb Amjad Khan Andrew Strauss Basil D'Olivera Ben Hollioake Ben Stokes Billy Murdoch Bob Woolmer Boyd Rankin Chris Jordan Chris Lewis Colin Cowdrey Craig Kieswetter Derek Pringle Dermot Reeve Devon Malcolm Donald Carr Douglas Jardine Edward Wynyard Eoin Morgan Errol Holmes Freddie Brown Gary Ballance Gavin Hamilton George Emmett Geraint Jones Gladstone Small Graeme Hick Gubby Allen, Ian Greig Jade Dernbach Jason Gallian John Ferris Jonathan Trott K.S. Duleepsinhji (‘Duleep’) KP Lord Harris Matt Prior Michael Lumb Minal Patel Nasser Hussain Nawab of Pataudi Neil Radford Neil Williams Neville Tufnell Nick Compton Norman Cowans Norman Mitchell-Innes Owais Shah Paul Parker Paul Terry Pelham Warner Phil Edmonds Phillip DeFreitas Ranjitsinhji Richard Young Robin Jackman Robin Smith Roland Butcher Sam Robson Sammy Woods Ted Dexter Tim Ambrose Tony Greig Usman Afzaal Wilf Slack
That's 68 players in all (and I might have missed a few too) who have played for England and weren't born here.
Robin Smith's brother Chris "Kippy" Smith is one you have missed.
I dislike people like Morgan or Pieterson playing for England by simply choosing to do so. But if you move to England at an early age there's no reason why you shouldn't play for the team.
If that is the case then my personal view is that they should not be eligible to play for England
Sorry Suede, I may have missed it, but what is your criteria? In my family I was born here, but my brother and sister were born in india and came here when they were about 2 & 3, would all 3 of us qualify for England or Just me or none?
So are we saying this is a South African social upbringing problem?
I'm sure if we looked for long enough we could find some born and bred English players that could go on to be as big a c***s as Pieterson. May not be as good with the bat though..
If that is the case then my personal view is that they should not be eligible to play for England
Sorry Suede, I may have missed it, but what is your criteria? In my family I was born here, but my brother and sister were born in india and came here when they were about 2 & 3, would all 3 of us qualify for England or Just me or none?
I have no personal criteria other than residency alone should not entitle someone to represent the country that they now live in.
I think that there should also be some parental or grand parental link to the nation to be represented.
If a nation can just pick and chose any player to represent them just because they live there - national sport becomes akin to high end club sport where the richest nations could claim the best players to represent them.
Pietersen is an abrasive individual but in some ways quite a naive and innocent one - I suspect that he may have a point about there being manipulative rising to plain nasty types in the dressing-room
Some interesting reading in i this morning on this. Whilst Pieterson obviously doesn't come out particularly well, their articles point to a level of detail that - whilst suffering from Pieterson's interpretation - reveal certain truths about that dressing room. Some damning stuff around the treatment of Trott, for example, and a revealing comment about KP being left feeling sad by Andy Flowers even after his best test performance. Worth a read, probably some stuff on the Independent web site I guess.
If what he says is lies we will soon find out as prior flower etc will probably file a lawsuit...
If they dont, then what he says is likely to be true...
For what its worth, i think KPs comments probably are the truth. I can defo sense that prior is a bit of a twat (comes across that way on the field) so KPs allegations probably arnt that far off the mark
There are two main things that get me about the whole situation: 1) KP has fallen out with coaches and team mates at about 4 or 5 sides now. I just cant see how you can be a good bloke if that happens. 2) He gives all these bullying allegations, but completely fails to state what happens in various incidents where he has been the aggressor, He glosses over the James Taylor incident where he abused Taylor on debut, he completely fails to actually say what he texted to the South Africans, . There was also an incident with him and Michael Carberry that conveniently he doesn't mention.
There are parts of what he is saying I have sympathy with, but am never going to believe he is anything other that an egotistical prick, who just can't get on with people properly
Pietersen is/was a superb batsman, Swann, Broad, Prior and Anderson still are/or were superstar cricketers .. all have one other thing at least in common ... they're all mollycoddled, spoilt egotistical brats .. ((:>)
Pietersen wanted to be a international. Was impatient with his home land, so gave England a go.
Playing for England gave him a big profile. listening to him today was embarrassing.
I heard the radio 5 interview, it came on at 10am just after people with terminal cancer had been telling their stories about their fight for life with no bitterness.
he is a total bell end, egomaniac, who only cares about one person.
Using the word bully,you would think he was 14, I'm surprised his mum wasn't holding his hand, or his best friend, Piers Morgan.
One of the best players England have ever had, a number of players and journalist are backing Pietersen's side of the story, and I suspect the likes of Prior, Broad, Anderson and Flowers aren't the angles some want them to be
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Had to turn it over to Pop Master as the bloke cannot open his mouth without talking 24 carat shit.
residency should never come into it.
Piers Morgan the biggest tosser in the British media.
Maybe they massage each others egos.
I'm sure if we looked for long enough we could find some born and bred English players that could go on to be as big a c***s as Pieterson.
May not be as good with the bat though..
I think that there should also be some parental or grand parental link to the nation to be represented.
If a nation can just pick and chose any player to represent them just because they live there - national sport becomes akin to high end club sport where the richest nations could claim the best players to represent them.
This just conveniently seems to get side-tracked by people who just want to get KP bashing.
If they dont, then what he says is likely to be true...
For what its worth, i think KPs comments probably are the truth. I can defo sense that prior is a bit of a twat (comes across that way on the field) so KPs allegations probably arnt that far off the mark
1) KP has fallen out with coaches and team mates at about 4 or 5 sides now. I just cant see how you can be a good bloke if that happens.
2) He gives all these bullying allegations, but completely fails to state what happens in various incidents where he has been the aggressor, He glosses over the James Taylor incident where he abused Taylor on debut, he completely fails to actually say what he texted to the South Africans, . There was also an incident with him and Michael Carberry that conveniently he doesn't mention.
There are parts of what he is saying I have sympathy with, but am never going to believe he is anything other that an egotistical prick, who just can't get on with people properly
Playing for England gave him a big profile. listening to him today was embarrassing.
I heard the radio 5 interview, it came on at 10am just after people with terminal cancer had been telling their stories about their fight for life with no bitterness.
he is a total bell end, egomaniac, who only cares about one person.
Using the word bully,you would think he was 14, I'm surprised his mum wasn't holding his hand,
or his best friend, Piers Morgan.