Kind of- yes. But that's not my sole reason for not being a fan.
My sister is a paramedic and my brother in law is a Met police officer. Firemen earn a hell of a lot more and work a hell of a lot less hours yet still find time to go on strike regularly. Most have a 2nd income too as their hours permit it.
Paramedics and Police are not fans either
Sort of agree. Bain of my old mans life he says, half jokingly of course. He had a career as a builder/roofer and would get right royaly pissed off over off duty Fireman he knew coming up to him in the pub for advice on the latest building job they were doing on the side. Gotta take some cojones though to run into a burning building or peel someone from a car smash...
Takes massive cojones to run into a flat in (former) Ferrier estate to deal with a junkie overdosing - being surrounded by fellow junkies shooting up still. Being groped, grabbed and verbally abused. But she gets on with it. She doesn't go on strike and she certainly doesn't have a second job.
My brother in law was off sick over christmas. He was attacked by a man with a brick and a pitbull. He has a broken nose and a dog bit to his ankle. His colleague spent christmas in a wheelchair from the same event. He has a hearing next week because he laid into his attacker but he is back at work.
The only fireman I know also does labouring on site, cash in hand, and is a part-time cage fighter.
I have no relations or friendships with any firemen/women, police or paramedics but sounds like a bit of jealousy to me.
I am not jealous and neither are my sister and brother in law. I am not doubting their job takes a toll but no different to a paramedic and she gets treated like shit by many of the people she is saving AND London Ambulance Service. But she has never even contemplated going on strike.
Kind of- yes. But that's not my sole reason for not being a fan.
My sister is a paramedic and my brother in law is a Met police officer. Firemen earn a hell of a lot more and work a hell of a lot less hours yet still find time to go on strike regularly. Most have a 2nd income too as their hours permit it.
Paramedics and Police are not fans either
I'm an ex-firefighter and that is a idiotic comment! Behave!
Well Swisdom I have a number of mates who are either still serving or retired Firefighters and you best remember my old son that when there is a major incident whilst we have the luxury of running away they are running in the other direction. My mate was one of the first on the scene when the Blue and Royals got masscred and he lives with that every day. Not saying it's worse for them that the other services but to bad mouth them like that is just wrong.
Course it goes off topic when someone makes a statement like that. Could understand if he were a paramedic himself or a nurse, policeman and the right to moan.
Oh by the way Swisdom, I must have imagined my mother being carried out of the house by the army to go to hospital when the Ambulance service were on strike. Lets hope that you're never involved in a serious fire where loved ones are at risk. Wonder how much contempt you will hold them in then.
Im going to butt out as we shouldnt detract from the people that died this morning.God bless their souls.
Two people have died from a horrific disaster, and the firefighters have by sounds of it done a decent job in rescuing at least one life and you lot want to argue about why you do/don't like them? A bit odd.
Anyway, it was only last week I was in Vauxhall (Colloseum club, right next to the wharf) and I remember thinking how bloody enormous the complex was - I'd never seen it before.
Course it goes off topic when someone makes a statement like that. Could understand if he were a paramedic himself or a nurse, policeman and the right to moan.
Oh by the way Swisdom, I must have imagined my mother being carried out of the house by the army to go to hospital when the Ambulance service were on strike. Lets hope that you're never involved in a serious fire where loved ones are at risk. Wonder how much contempt you will hold them in then.
Im going to butt out as we shouldnt detract from the people that died this morning.God bless their souls.
Off topic It's my sister. I feel I have a right to moan about her welfare. I care about her. Not saying any more on that.
On topic Apparently Wandsworth road will be shut for a couple of days while they sort the wounded crane out. There is concern that the lights on top may not have been on and the low cloud cover obstructed that completely.
Tragedy nonetheless - hope those in hospital all recover
I work just down the road at the Cross. It has all calmed down somewhat now with the roads open again. Funny thing is we have all been talking about this happening for months
The Tower is one of a few projects I am running for my company. Can actually see one of our lorries on BBC News when they keep going there. Lorry driver left the engine on & ran and is fortunately okay even though we now have debris in the back of the lorry. Luckily our men on site were also grabbing a bacon role @ a nearby cafe so were fortunately off-site! Been told the site is closed tomorrow but likely to be back open friday.
Kind of- yes. But that's not my sole reason for not being a fan.
My sister is a paramedic and my brother in law is a Met police officer. Firemen earn a hell of a lot more and work a hell of a lot less hours yet still find time to go on strike regularly. Most have a 2nd income too as their hours permit it.
Paramedics and Police are not fans either
Really?? Sorry to go totally off topic but i am a serving London firefighter,my station is the one that was 1st attendance today and i find it quite incredulous that people make statements as above. How the hell do you know how much i earn in comparison to a PC or paramedic? And find time to "regularly" go on strike? I have been in the job for 20 years and went out in the national strike of 2002 and again for 1 day,against my wishes,2 years ago. Hardly a regular occurrance. As for a 2nd income,i do a couple of days a week,some do more,some dont do any. The firm i work for also employ serving PCs so i think that argument falls down? One of my good mates is a serving paramedic with 23 years experience and he said hes never encountered any of his collegues who have a dislike of firefighters and in my considerable time in the job i have found nothing but a great mutual respect between the services. I have had the misfortune to be involved in lots of major incidents in my time such as the Lakanal House fire 4 years ago where i was 3 feet away from getting to the 2 mums and their children who died but i ran out of air and was beaten back by the fierce fire,the Soho pub bomb,carrying bodies and body parts from Russell Square tube after the 7/7 bombings etc etc. People under tube trains,suicides,people decapitated in car crashes,carrying the dead bodies of a 2 year old and 5 year old from a drug den that was set alight right at the beginning of my career. I could go on because i remember each and every one of their faces,believe me. If any of the above is a reason for contempt then i apologise. Rant over.
RIP the two people tragically killed today and thoughts with the injured and a big well done to all the services today,especially the lads on the White Watch at my station,at least 1 person is alive tonight because of their actions.
redvalleyeast - why myself, and the great majority of the population, has tremendous admiration in the jobs you all do on our behalf, and in that I mean all the emergency services. You wouldn't catch me doing any of them even for 100k a year.
Anyone who is willing to put themselves in harms way on such a regular basis in the way that firefighters, paramedics and police officers do deserves respect. There's always rotten characters in any organisation, but on the whole, if you contribute to our emergency services, you're a legend in my opinion.
Kind of- yes. But that's not my sole reason for not being a fan.
My sister is a paramedic and my brother in law is a Met police officer. Firemen earn a hell of a lot more and work a hell of a lot less hours yet still find time to go on strike regularly. Most have a 2nd income too as their hours permit it.
Paramedics and Police are not fans either
a very sweeping generalisation
Its sad but true that there is almost no real relationship between the Firefighters and any otherEmergancy service which i think is mainly down to the LFB PR machine.
We are constanly told how the LFB saved someone, yet had little to do with the incident. As an example, i went to a call where a man had fallen down a embankment, and was badly hurt. We had 2 ambulances, about 8 police and the HEMS team. We decided that we would need extra hands to get him up the embankment, so requested the LFB to assist, which they did. They played a small part in the incident, but within an hour it was all over the local radio news how they had rescued the man!!
Don't think our emergency services get enough credit tbh! They do a good job and it must take serious bollocks to go in a building thats on fire, save someone who has been seriously injured or chase an armed suspect, I for one know I couldn't do it and today puts into perspective how easy some of us have it!
Its sad but true that there is almost no real relationship between the Firefighters and any otherEmergancy service which i think is mainly down to the LFB PR machine.
We are constanly told how the LFB saved someone, yet had little to do with the incident. As an example, i went to a call where a man had fallen down a embankment, and was badly hurt. We had 2 ambulances, about 8 police and the HEMS team. We decided that we would need extra hands to get him up the embankment, so requested the LFB to assist, which they did. They played a small part in the incident, but within an hour it was all over the local radio news how they had rescued the man!!
Cant argue with that mate,we,the rank and file,know its bollocks but its not the rank and file unfortunately who are in control of press releases. It makes us cringe sometimes whats reported by our PR dept. As i said,the rank and file in all the services have a mutual respect and all work well together when the shit hits.
Like all jobs there are twats in it. Have no problem with wholetime fire-fighters having second jobs, as long as their earnings are declared. As a part-time fire-fighter I have a proper job and the fire service is my football etc fund. Personally I have utmost respect for all the services, even though some Policemen are a disgrace to their uniform, but only a few. I agree that we should not be able to strike and voted no in every ballot since I joined.
Finally on the subject of pay, can I mention tube drivers. They earn a fortune and always seem to be threatening to strike.
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But she gets on with it. She doesn't go on strike and she certainly doesn't have a second job.
My brother in law was off sick over christmas. He was attacked by a man with a brick and a pitbull. He has a broken nose and a dog bit to his ankle. His colleague spent christmas in a wheelchair from the same event. He has a hearing next week because he laid into his attacker but he is back at work.
The only fireman I know also does labouring on site, cash in hand, and is a part-time cage fighter.
I am not jealous and neither are my sister and brother in law. I am not doubting their job takes a toll but no different to a paramedic and she gets treated like shit by many of the people she is saving AND London Ambulance Service. But she has never even contemplated going on strike.
Oh by the way Swisdom, I must have imagined my mother being carried out of the house by the army to go to hospital when the Ambulance service were on strike. Lets hope that you're never involved in a serious fire where loved ones are at risk. Wonder how much contempt you will hold them in then.
Im going to butt out as we shouldnt detract from the people that died this morning.God bless their souls.
Anyway, it was only last week I was in Vauxhall (Colloseum club, right next to the wharf) and I remember thinking how bloody enormous the complex was - I'd never seen it before.
Tragic for those involved.
It's my sister. I feel I have a right to moan about her welfare. I care about her. Not saying any more on that.
On topic
Apparently Wandsworth road will be shut for a couple of days while they sort the wounded crane out. There is concern that the lights on top may not have been on and the low cloud cover obstructed that completely.
Tragedy nonetheless - hope those in hospital all recover
Pilot names as Pete Barnes.
Pilot names as Pete Barnes.
RIP to the 2 dead
RIP the two people tragically killed today and thoughts with the injured and a big well done to all the services today,especially
the lads on the White Watch at my station,at least 1 person is alive tonight because of their actions.
There's always rotten characters in any organisation, but on the whole, if you contribute to our emergency services, you're a legend in my opinion.
We are constanly told how the LFB saved someone, yet had little to do with the incident. As an example, i went to a call where a man had fallen down a embankment, and was badly hurt. We had 2 ambulances, about 8 police and the HEMS team. We decided that we would need extra hands to get him up the embankment, so requested the LFB to assist, which they did. They played a small part in the incident, but within an hour it was all over the local radio news how they had rescued the man!!
a very sweeping generalisation
Its sad but true that there is almost no real relationship between the Firefighters and any otherEmergancy service which i think is mainly down to the LFB PR machine.
We are constanly told how the LFB saved someone, yet had little to do with the incident. As an example, i went to a call where a man had fallen down a embankment, and was badly hurt. We had 2 ambulances, about 8 police and the HEMS team. We decided that we would need extra hands to get him up the embankment, so requested the LFB to assist, which they did. They played a small part in the incident, but within an hour it was all over the local radio news how they had rescued the man!!
Cant argue with that mate,we,the rank and file,know its bollocks but its not the rank and file unfortunately who are in control of press releases. It makes us cringe sometimes whats reported by our PR dept. As i said,the rank and file in all the services have a mutual respect and all work well together when the shit hits.
Golden rule - don't knock any emergency services because they will be there for you when (if) you need 'em.
As a part-time fire-fighter I have a proper job and the fire service is my football etc fund. Personally I have utmost respect for all the services, even though some Policemen are a disgrace to their uniform, but only a few.
I agree that we should not be able to strike and voted no in every ballot since I joined.
Finally on the subject of pay, can I mention tube drivers. They earn a fortune and always seem to be threatening to strike.