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Rickie Lambert

killerandflash
killerandflash Posts: 69,882
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He got his 100th goal for Southampton yesterday, well worth the £1m Pardew spent on him.

Unlike
Varney 2.5m
McLeod 1.1m
Gray 1.5m

If only, if only...

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  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 31,661
    killerandflash said:

    He got his 100th goal for Southampton yesterday, well worth the £1m Pardew spent on him.

    Unlike
    Varney 2.5m
    McLeod 1.1m
    Gray 1.5m

    If only, if only...

    Lambert has done excellently but I do wonder how he would have done with a legs gone Matt Holland and Racon supplying his service which is what the other three had most of the time.

    That said Pardew brought Racon in so down to him.
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,016
    I suggested to Peter Varney, that we should sign Lambert when he was still at Bristol R.
    He disagreed, saying that he was just a big lump :-(
  • dizzee
    dizzee Posts: 5,616
    I said we should have signed him and Danny Graham when they were playing in League 1 or 2 or whatever it was. Then a little while later I was sure we should have signed Bolasie from Plymouth...

    SCP should sign me up as a scout. We'd be prem by now.
  • Mortimerician
    Mortimerician Posts: 5,222
    It's not just the goals. Holds it up well and can pick a pass. Reasonable change of pace too. You have to wonder how he's managed to languish at such a low level with that amount of ability.
  • cafctom
    cafctom Posts: 11,372
    edited February 2013
    Let's be fair, its not just us who slipped up in missing these players but about 40 odd other clubs too...
  • seriously_red
    seriously_red Posts: 5,741
    Let's be fair and say that for a few years the club bought a whole load of players who didn't perform ... they were all sold on and and some performed elsewhere... and now we seem to be in a place where we have a decent mix of academy and signed players who haven't performed elsewhere
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,882
    cafctom said:

    Let's be fair, its not just us who slipped up in missing these players but about 40 odd other clubs too...

    The issue is more the expensive flops we bought instead, if we had just stuck to cheap signings and freebies (like Iwelemu) our finances would be in a much healthier state...
  • cafctom
    cafctom Posts: 11,372
    Very rarely do you get out of the Championship with cheap signings. It happens but not a lot.

    Yes, those players flopped but with the aim to return to the Premiership at the time, we needed to spend to try and achieve it. The problem wasn't the money spent, but more what it was spent on.
  • Danny Addick
    Danny Addick Posts: 3,931
    Well I said we should sign Freddie Eastwood. And I was wrong.
  • Ormiston_Addick
    Ormiston_Addick Posts: 8,810
    Varney, Iwelumo, McLeod, Gray.....it all seems like a bad dream now doesn't it?

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  • Valley11
    Valley11 Posts: 12,001
    Danny Addick said:

    Well I said we should sign Freddie Eastwood. And I was wrong.

    And there's the rub. For every one you
    get right, there's four you got wrong.
  • Kap10
    Kap10 Posts: 15,577
    Ormiston Addick said:

    Varney, Iwelumo, McLeod, Gray.....it all seems like a bad dream now doesn't it?

    Nope ...... a frigging nightmare

  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,882
    cafctom said:

    Very rarely do you get out of the Championship with cheap signings. It happens but not a lot.

    Yes, those players flopped but with the aim to return to the Premiership at the time, we needed to spend to try and achieve it. The problem wasn't the money spent, but more what it was spent on.

    Thanks to Pardew's transfers we did get out of the Championship...

  • harveys_gardener
    harveys_gardener Posts: 7,038
    Often there is a talented player who doesn't apply himself then wakes up or gets lucky.
  • cafctom
    cafctom Posts: 11,372
    I personally think that with the right manager (eg - not one who tries to sap every bit of confidence from you (Mr Pardew)), Luke Varney is a very good Championship player.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,787
    And Iwelumo was a great target man back then too, had tonnes of goals in him.
  • Ormiston_Addick
    Ormiston_Addick Posts: 8,810
    Kap10 said:

    Ormiston Addick said:

    Varney, Iwelumo, McLeod, Gray.....it all seems like a bad dream now doesn't it?

    Nope ...... a frigging nightmare

    ....and for about 4 million less in transfer fees SCP has brought us Kermo, Fuller, Haynes and BWP - and probably much lower wages too.
  • Ormiston_Addick
    Ormiston_Addick Posts: 8,810
    cafctom said:

    I personally think that with the right manager (eg - not one who tries to sap every bit of confidence from you (Mr Pardew)), Luke Varney is a very good Championship player.

    Good 'worker' but not a natural goal scorer, a Garry Nelson type of player.
  • Ormiston_Addick
    Ormiston_Addick Posts: 8,810
    Callumcafc said:

    And Iwelumo was a great target man back then too, had tonnes of goals in him.

    ....if properly served, yes, Reid supplied class from one flank but he got little from the other flank!
  • Exiled_Addick
    Exiled_Addick Posts: 17,179
    Varney is Championship quality, but nothing he's done since he left us suggests there was a great deal more to be had from him than we got - he's hardly been prolific.

    Just my opinion, but not many of the team Pardew had in the first Championship season would get into the current team.

    Reidy? Obviously.
    Bougherra? Maybe but he was all posh frock and no knickers. Cort's no nonsense aproach probably serves us better.
    Iwelumo? No better than Yann.
    ZZ? Maybe, would probably be a decent member of this squad but not a nailed on starter. Generally flattered to deceive much like Stephens can.
    Thomas? We could do with a tricky winger and he'd give us an option we don't have.
    Gray? No better than Yann.
    Varney? Better than Wagstaff, but maybe not Haynes - although less injury prone.
    McCarthy? No better than Morro or Cort.
    Weaver? Always thought he was toilet so no.
    Moo2? Do me a favour.
    Thatcher, Youga? No chance.
    Holland? Maybe on experience but his legs were going. Was at a similar level by then to what Jacko is now imho.
    Marcus Bent? Slightly different player but comparable ability to Fuller (for the ten minutes a season he could be bothered to apply it) so another pass.

    But for all it's faults and weaknesses (not least having Pardew in charge of it) that side probably would have made the play-offs if we hadn't sold Reid (and he'd stayed fit). I think that goes to show we're only a couple of good signings away from being a very decent Championship side, much like we were in 96/97 (as has been said before). Whether we can expect the same kind of (relatively) modest but well targetted investment this summer as we saw in summer '97, who knows.


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  • SE18Addick
    SE18Addick Posts: 375
    Ormiston Addick said:

    Kap10 said:

    Ormiston Addick said:

    Varney, Iwelumo, McLeod, Gray.....it all seems like a bad dream now doesn't it?

    Nope ...... a frigging nightmare

    Not sure of fullers wage tbf
    ....and for about 4 million less in transfer fees SCP has brought us Kermo, Fuller, Haynes and BWP - and probably much lower wages too.
  • guinnessaddick
    guinnessaddick Posts: 28,662
    The reason Varney went was to pay for Pardew leaving.
  • Danny Addick
    Danny Addick Posts: 3,931
    guinnessaddick said:

    The reason Varney went was to pay for Pardew leaving.

    This, should have just let Pardew stay. Wouldn't have been relegated IMO.

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