Green's contribution towards the end of the season earned us quite a few points. Ask Jon Obika what he thinks of Green's crossing.
I know it's not the whole truth, and doesn't take into account indirect assists, where somebody else got the credit for a good bit of work by Green, but a glimpse at the Charlton Life Stats for the season shows Green hardly figured (less games time than the likes of Frimpong and Seaborne) and produced a grand total of zero assists, whereas the much maligned Kerkar managed 6 assists...
Green's contribution towards the end of the season earned us quite a few points. Ask Jon Obika what he thinks of Green's crossing.
I know it's not the whole truth, and doesn't take into account indirect assists, where somebody else got the credit for a good bit of work by Green, but a glimpse at the Charlton Life Stats for the season shows Green hardly figured (less games time than the likes of Frimpong and Seaborne) and produced a grand total of zero assists, whereas the much maligned Kerkar managed 6 assists...
I'm surprised he's still at the club
Typical example of trying to use flimsy facts and stats against us Charlton fan's solid dependence on emotion, prejudice and a general liking for Green. Shame on you!
He has to decide whether he wants to work on the rest of his game or work on selling 'Ballers Clothing'
It really gets my goat when footballers spend more time and effort promoting and selling their own shitty brand of clothes than actually doing what they get paid for.
It's not about his crossing though. It's the rest of his game.
Kind of agree with this.
On the ball, he can open up packed defences and be an effective player, given the right kind of service.
And while I believe Greenie has plenty of ability at this level, something seems to be missing from his game - whether he doesn't read the game quickly enough or just loses concentration at times?
What I'm trying to say, is that his 'off the ball' game sometimes seems lacking.
He has to decide whether he wants to work on the rest of his game or work on selling 'Ballers Clothing'
It really gets my goat when footballers spend more time and effort promoting and selling their own shitty brand of clothes than actually doing what they get paid for.
I'd ban it if I was manager.
They train for a couple of hours a day, and the rest of the time it is up to them what they do as long as it isn't detrimental to their fitness.
What would you rather, he just played Football for an extra 6 hours a day on his own?
Green's contribution towards the end of the season earned us quite a few points. Ask Jon Obika what he thinks of Green's crossing.
I know it's not the whole truth, and doesn't take into account indirect assists, where somebody else got the credit for a good bit of work by Green, but a glimpse at the Charlton Life Stats for the season shows Green hardly figured (less games time than the likes of Frimpong and Seaborne) and produced a grand total of zero assists, whereas the much maligned Kerkar managed 6 assists...
I'm surprised he's still at the club
I've always been deeply sceptical of "assists" statistics. What exactly is an "assist"? Is it the touch immediately before the scorer's killer blow? If so, then Pritchard could be credited with an "assist" for clumsily deflecting the ball to the scorer after another player had done all the real work of creating the opportunity.
It is equally important to analyse the goals we concede - whose fault are they? The blame for most of those many depressing defeats at The Valley last season lies not with the keeper, nor with the defenders, but squarely with Pritchard and Stephens' lack of strength and ability in midfield.
Back to Danny Green. I liked the cut of his jib right from the off - a tricky winger who had consistently done the biz with the Daggers - but I have to say he flatters to deceive at Champs level. I've never seen him actually skin a defender and then deliver the right cross; it's possible he simply doesn't have the acceleration to get past experienced campaigners. It's partly a catch-22: he doesn't get enough game time to improve his consistency, which won't get better unless he plays more often. I sincerely hope our coaching team are working extra hard to develop his skills.
Then difference with Beckham is that 8/10 of his crosses were dangerous. Danny makes up the remaining two.
Watch how many times he tries to cross next time out. Not sure where this myth of Danny Green being the crossing, chance crating saviour has come from - certainly not from his time with us.
"How people can say Danny Green should play, he played in a couple of two bob friendly games. He is not Championship material. Our board have us scraping the barrel. League One Charlton 2014/15 believe it."
There's no point in comparing his style of play to Beckham. He needs to stop the stupid corners aiming for goal and just aim to contribute to the team.
Green's contribution towards the end of the season earned us quite a few points. Ask Jon Obika what he thinks of Green's crossing.
I know it's not the whole truth, and doesn't take into account indirect assists, where somebody else got the credit for a good bit of work by Green, but a glimpse at the Charlton Life Stats for the season shows Green hardly figured (less games time than the likes of Frimpong and Seaborne) and produced a grand total of zero assists, whereas the much maligned Kerkar managed 6 assists...
I'm surprised he's still at the club
I've always been deeply sceptical of "assists" statistics. What exactly is an "assist"? Is it the touch immediately before the scorer's killer blow? If so, then Pritchard could be credited with an "assist" for clumsily deflecting the ball to the scorer after another player had done all the real work of creating the opportunity.
It is equally important to analyse the goals we concede - whose fault are they? The blame for most of those many depressing defeats at The Valley last season lies not with the keeper, nor with the defenders, but squarely with Pritchard and Stephens' lack of strength and ability in midfield.
Back to Danny Green. I liked the cut of his jib right from the off - a tricky winger who had consistently done the biz with the Daggers - but I have to say he flatters to deceive at Champs level. I've never seen him actually skin a defender and then deliver the right cross; it's possible he simply doesn't have the acceleration to get past experienced campaigners. It's partly a catch-22: he doesn't get enough game time to improve his consistency, which won't get better unless he plays more often. I sincerely hope our coaching team are working extra hard to develop his skills.
Prithchard may not be strong enough defensively for central midfield, but that's academic as he moved out wide where he was effective, hence Green hardly ever playing. As for Stephens, well that's another never ending discussion :-)
I didn't think Green was that good for us at L1 level either, as there wasn't enough end product. JJ is the opposite, on the face of it he's slow and doesn't have that bit of magic, but consistently produces goals and assists.
Then difference with Beckham is that 8/10 of his crosses were dangerous. Danny makes up the remaining two.
Watch how many times he tries to cross next time out. Not sure where this myth of Danny Green being the crossing, chance crating saviour has come from - certainly not from his time with us.
I have to agree with you. Even Green's corners regularly go awry. There was a home game late last season (Leeds? Wolves? I've forgotten which one) when in the last few minutes Green took a corner that didn't get past the first defender, who bundled it out for another corner. Then almost exactly the same thing happened again. Green's third attempt to get the ball over was so inept that it completely bamboozled the opposing defenders, and one of our lads knocked it in to the onion bag. It was really quite comical, though we were cheering rather than laughing. Is someone going to tell me Green did all that deliberately, a clever deceit?
was really disappointed with him last season main reason wouldn't track back and help his full back.I think on his day can be a real player for us but haven't seen it yet.
I suspect he's chosen Wilson and Pritch over both of them and for the right offer Greeny would be allowed to leave without too much of a fight from CP.
That said Powell signed him do no doubt sees Green as one if 'his players' so as long as he's under contract he'll be in the fold.
For me he's not as talented as he's made out to be by some but he made a bit of an impact from the bench at times last season. He'll have to be content with that role until he starts to do it more consistently. Very few teams play 442 with two orthodox wingers theses days, especially with a central midfield like ours so as long as Harriot is in good form Green will struggle to get into the team anyway. That's without even mentioning Pritch brings a much better all round package and consistency to the team, as does Wilson arguably.
I saw an interview with Greeny the other day and he was saying all the right things. Needs to get fitter, wants to make a contribution etc etc. I think CP has had a word and said effectively last chance mate. As said on his day he's a player, but that day is too rare. I want to see less swagger and more effort.
I saw an interview with Greeny the other day and he was saying all the right things. Needs to get fitter, wants to make a contribution etc etc. I think CP has had a word and said effectively last chance mate. As said on his day he's a player, but that day is too rare. I want to see less swagger and more effort.
If we don't splash the cash on too may new faces in August ( and going by another thread, most on here feel that's highly likely) then DG will become a more valuable member of the squad than he's been so far.
If/when given the opportunity, it's up to him to prove that he's worthy - as agim states, it could be the last chance saloon.
I trust in SCP to get the best out of ALL his players this coming season - we know he has the ability to do it and remember that the spirit within this squad is something special.
I'd bet that the (dis)likes of the Massive and the Spanners wish they had as committed a group of players led by the best manager in the Championship by a country mile, new signings or no new signings.
This squad doesn't need time to "gel" - just carry on where they left off on May 4th.And DG will play his part.
Green said in his Spain interview that he "really wants to stay at Charlton", which rather suggests he's already been told that he needs to improve or leave.
I saw an interview with Greeny the other day and he was saying all the right things. Needs to get fitter, wants to make a contribution etc etc. I think CP has had a word and said effectively last chance mate. As said on his day he's a player, but that day is too rare. I want to see less swagger and more effort.
The problem with him isn't that he's not fit enough, or doesn't work hard enough, but that he isn't good enough for the Championship, sadly.
I saw an interview with Greeny the other day and he was saying all the right things. Needs to get fitter, wants to make a contribution etc etc. I think CP has had a word and said effectively last chance mate. As said on his day he's a player, but that day is too rare. I want to see less swagger and more effort.
The problem with him isn't that he's not fit enough, or doesn't work hard enough, but that he isn't good enough for the Championship, sadly.
I saw an interview with Greeny the other day and he was saying all the right things. Needs to get fitter, wants to make a contribution etc etc. I think CP has had a word and said effectively last chance mate. As said on his day he's a player, but that day is too rare. I want to see less swagger and more effort.
Needs to get fitter? You're not kidding, count the chins at Welling?
I saw an interview with Greeny the other day and he was saying all the right things. Needs to get fitter, wants to make a contribution etc etc. I think CP has had a word and said effectively last chance mate. As said on his day he's a player, but that day is too rare. I want to see less swagger and more effort.
The problem with him isn't that he's not fit enough, or doesn't work hard enough, but that he isn't good enough for the Championship, sadly.
Won't write him off completely but it's hard to see a midfield with three of Green, Gower/Hughes and Jackson working at this level. You need more energy, pace and movement off the ball in there, Harriott on his own won't be enough.
Something about Danny Green I've always liked, was solid for us when we won L1 but failed to start much last season but when at his best I think he is a very useful player. He's shown in this pre-season what he can do and I believe he should certainly get some opportunities to start in the 13/14 season!
I think they all now understand the step up they have had to make to be a championship team, not just Green. I am a fan of Green and feel he has what it takes but it is all down to him now.
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I'm surprised he's still at the club
I'd ban it if I was manager.
On the ball, he can open up packed defences and be an effective player, given the right kind of service.
And while I believe Greenie has plenty of ability at this level, something seems to be missing from his game - whether he doesn't read the game quickly enough or just loses concentration at times?
What I'm trying to say, is that his 'off the ball' game sometimes seems lacking.
What would you rather, he just played Football for an extra 6 hours a day on his own?
It is equally important to analyse the goals we concede - whose fault are they? The blame for most of those many depressing defeats at The Valley last season lies not with the keeper, nor with the defenders, but squarely with Pritchard and Stephens' lack of strength and ability in midfield.
Back to Danny Green. I liked the cut of his jib right from the off - a tricky winger who had consistently done the biz with the Daggers - but I have to say he flatters to deceive at Champs level. I've never seen him actually skin a defender and then deliver the right cross; it's possible he simply doesn't have the acceleration to get past experienced campaigners. It's partly a catch-22: he doesn't get enough game time to improve his consistency, which won't get better unless he plays more often. I sincerely hope our coaching team are working extra hard to develop his skills.
Then difference with Beckham is that 8/10 of his crosses were dangerous. Danny makes up the remaining two.
Watch how many times he tries to cross next time out. Not sure where this myth of Danny Green being the crossing, chance crating saviour has come from - certainly not from his time with us.
"How people can say Danny Green should play, he played in a couple of two bob friendly games. He is not Championship material. Our board have us scraping the barrel. League One Charlton 2014/15 believe it."
I lolled
I didn't think Green was that good for us at L1 level either, as there wasn't enough end product. JJ is the opposite, on the face of it he's slow and doesn't have that bit of magic, but consistently produces goals and assists.
Let's hope he justifies that faith.
That said Powell signed him do no doubt sees Green as one if 'his players' so as long as he's under contract he'll be in the fold.
For me he's not as talented as he's made out to be by some but he made a bit of an impact from the bench at times last season. He'll have to be content with that role until he starts to do it more consistently. Very few teams play 442 with two orthodox wingers theses days, especially with a central midfield like ours so as long as Harriot is in good form Green will struggle to get into the team anyway. That's without even mentioning Pritch brings a much better all round package and consistency to the team, as does Wilson arguably.
If/when given the opportunity, it's up to him to prove that he's worthy - as agim states, it could be the last chance saloon.
I trust in SCP to get the best out of ALL his players this coming season - we know he has the ability to do it and remember that the spirit within this squad is something special.
I'd bet that the (dis)likes of the Massive and the Spanners wish they had as committed a group of players led by the best manager in the Championship by a country mile, new signings or no new signings.
This squad doesn't need time to "gel" - just carry on where they left off on May 4th.And DG will play his part.
Believe !!
Agree, Fanny.
Green said in his Spain interview that he "really wants to stay at Charlton", which rather suggests he's already been told that he needs to improve or leave.
Won't write him off completely but it's hard to see a midfield with three of Green, Gower/Hughes and Jackson working at this level. You need more energy, pace and movement off the ball in there, Harriott on his own won't be enough.