Kim Jong-un is estimated to have a personal fortune equivalent to $5billion USD.
Sounds rather simplistic and James Bond villain-like, but for example in theory, (before or after most likely before!) couldn't he H-Bomb the US then before anyone has time to retaliate, he has managed to get an overwhelming amount of facial surgery and has got a completely new identity to the point where he is absolutely unidentifiable and unrecognizable.
He hasn't attacked yet due to it being an obvious ineivitable suicide move.
Ooh, you noticed big boy!
Your next for a bomb be careful the crazy fucka is watching
Yes he is crazy and probably somewhat paranoic (and who wouldn't be with crazy entirely self serving leaching fuckers around you 24/7)........but I think you'll find a significant number of his generals and hangers on are even more crazy and IMHO at least as potentially dangerous if not more so. He wouldn't appear to be that intelligent, so just who are the faceless minions who are 'really' pulling the strings? What if anything do we outsiders know about them........I suspect very very little and I am convinced that therein lies the main problem?
Kim Jong-un is estimated to have a personal fortune equivalent to $5billion USD.
Sounds rather simplistic and James Bond villain-like, but for example in theory, (before or after most likely before!) couldn't he H-Bomb the US then before anyone has time to retaliate, he has managed to get an overwhelming amount of facial surgery and has got a completely new identity to the point where he is absolutely unidentifiable and unrecognizable.
He hasn't attacked yet due to it being an obvious ineivitable suicide move.
Ooh, you noticed big boy!
Your next for a bomb be careful the crazy fucka is watching
Yes he is crazy and probably somewhat paranoic (and who wouldn't be with crazy entirely self serving leaching fuckers around you 24/7)........but I think you'll find a significant number of his generals and hangers on are even more crazy and IMHO at least as potentially dangerous if not more so. He wouldn't appear to be that intelligent, so just who are the faceless minions who are 'really' pulling the strings? What if anything do we outsiders know about them........I suspect very very little and I am convinced that therein lies the main problem?
I don't think you are giving KJU enough credit. His grandfather and father of course did the groundwork but he is part of a dynasty where the North Korean population literally worship him. Yes it's through indoctrination, propaganda and fear but nonetheless he rules and it would take a very brave general or group to risk trying to unseat him. He's smart enough to eliminate family rivals and already has conducted purges within the military elite. No other individual is allowed to become too influential.
His drive towards full nuclear power status for NK is driven to secure his position and nullify any attempt by outside foreign influences for regime change.
I doubt he's going to win any prizes for intellect but he's read his history with regard to how dictators work.
Just lobbed another long range missile over Japan.
Roughly translated as 'taking the piss'
and China and Russia are laughing at Donald.
I certainly think that both China and Russia are secretly enjoying seeing the USA stuck between a rock and a hard place over this.
I think that "the west" needs to accept that sanctions or talks are not going to deter Kim Jong-Un from reaching his goal of North Korea becoming a fully fledged nuclear power. Half the population are starving and the other half are the elite who will be able to ride out any economic pressure. A fully functioning ICBM programme is now only a few years away. Until that programme is fully functioning there will be many more missile tests and the world has to suck it up.
Military intervention is not an option. Diplomacy is the only avenue but limited by the unalterable goals set by Pyongyang.
I think Japan stating that missile tests over its territory won't be tolerated is in this case unhelpful. Yes of course it's unacceptable but what action can Japan actually take ? Just makes for hollow words.
Ive heard it estimated at six months to a year for a fully functioning ICBM with a nuclear warhead from smart journos who cover this stuff. Now, as with most things with North Korea, there's a lot of guessing involved in that, but I think this year has shown they're further a long than anticipated.
But yeah other than that, bang on the banana.
Trump has come out with more hollow rhetoric. To be fair to him, there's very, very, very little he can do, thought empty threats don't help. One thing he could do is APPOINT AN AMBASSADOR TO SOUTH KOREA FFS!!!
Also, this stuff with North Korea really puts the Iran deal into perspective. Iran is still a hugely problematic player in the region, but a nuclear Iran would be far worse. I was not a huge fan of some of Obama's foreign policy, but that was a good un.
The whole place needs flattening and handing over to the USA as a gift from the rest of the world replacing one crazy mo go with a bstd hair cut for another
Kim Jong-un is estimated to have a personal fortune equivalent to $5billion USD.
Sounds rather simplistic and James Bond villain-like, but for example in theory, (before or after most likely before!) couldn't he H-Bomb the US then before anyone has time to retaliate, he has managed to get an overwhelming amount of facial surgery and has got a completely new identity to the point where he is absolutely unidentifiable and unrecognizable.
He hasn't attacked yet due to it being an obvious ineivitable suicide move.
Ooh, you noticed big boy!
Your next for a bomb be careful the crazy fucka is watching
Yes he is crazy and probably somewhat paranoic (and who wouldn't be with crazy entirely self serving leaching fuckers around you 24/7)........but I think you'll find a significant number of his generals and hangers on are even more crazy and IMHO at least as potentially dangerous if not more so. He wouldn't appear to be that intelligent, so just who are the faceless minions who are 'really' pulling the strings? What if anything do we outsiders know about them........I suspect very very little and I am convinced that therein lies the main problem?
I don't think you are giving KJU enough credit. His grandfather and father of course did the groundwork but he is part of a dynasty where the North Korean population literally worship him. Yes it's through indoctrination, propaganda and fear but nonetheless he rules and it would take a very brave general or group to risk trying to unseat him. He's smart enough to eliminate family rivals and already has conducted purges within the military elite. No other individual is allowed to become too influential.
His drive towards full nuclear power status for NK is driven to secure his position and nullify any attempt by outside foreign influences for regime change.
I doubt he's going to win any prizes for intellect but he's read his history with regard to how dictators work.
I think he's making too many enemies to go untouched, it leads to paranoia for himself and more importantly for others surrounding him.......he's no different from many who have gone before him and there's a good chance he will fall, one way or another..............eventually.
He just says louder, dumber things. Much of his policy is the same as Obama's apart from trying to distance himself from/neg South Korea and bully China.
But as we see once or twice a month now, all of his threats are completely hollow. And not just at North Korea. His threats about "stopping trade with people who trade with North Korea." What, so we're going to stop trade with our largest trading partner, China, and crash our economy? It's ridiculous.
If there is one silver lining in all this it's that, at this point, seemingly no one takes his threats seriously at all. Except for the fact that the President of the United States is considered a joke, that's great.
He was telling a lot of the lying bullshitting buracrats some home truths in that room and he didn't care if it made him unpopular
His speech was brilliant if you read between the lines of some of he was telling those giving the U.K. a hard time on brexit that the leader of the country is the lone voice of its people and that as the voice of its people it often has hard decisions and stand alone moments
Much like he had to make the decisions he had based on those that voted for him
People can sneer and call him out for many things
But he went way up in my estimation for that speech
His speech was brilliant if you read between the lines of some of he was telling those giving the U.K. a hard time on brexit that the leader of the country is the lone voice of its people and that as the voice of its people it often has hard decisions and stand alone moments
This is a pretty good approximation of his delivery style tbf
The Trump factor increases the risk tenfold here. He is just going to have enough of it at some point!
It's Trump's words that will do the damage, not his deeds. Thankfully he doesn't have complete control of the US nuclear/conventional arsenal. Mattis would almost certainly stop him doing anything stupid, and if not then the Generals would.
I'm sorry to say that it's the POTUS and he alone who has the power to command a nuclear strike, and there is no provision for any second opinion. Since Trump is unstable and a fucking moron, I am very worried.
As I understand it, he is the only one with the power to call it, but he can't actually do it without approval from his generals (as opposed to the generals who can advise it, but can't call it). Really hope I'm right, or we could all be in trouble!
This is one in the long line of things we've discovered in the last seven months where there isn't really precedent.
I'm inclined to side with Bob on this, while theoretically there is no check on the ability to launch nuclear weapons, in practice there are approvals needed and there is the Sec. of Defense and various others who would actually need to carry out the order. I don't think that order would be executed. There are more checks in place for a traditional Military strike, and I think there are enough people who understand this game that would potentially talk the President out of it.
Now, if North Korea gains the ability, as predicted, in the next six months to a year to launch a nuclear warhead at the US that *might* change.
For what it's worth, and I think it's clear I'm no fan, but I don't think Trump is here to start wars, particularly nuclear wars. Let's break it down to why he's President, he wants to be loved and admired and applauded. Starting a war with North Korea doesn't really achieve any of that. Of course it's hard to say because his outlook on foreign policy seems to change week to week, but to me a pre-emptive strike isn't him.
Somewhat ironically, his Administration doesn't have the hardline hawks like Cheney and Rumsfeld and Bremer and various others that the W. Bush Administration had. His Administration mostly has former Goldman guys. None of them particularly want war with North Korea.
I heard a very good description of this a couple of weeks ago. The worrying part is that, eventually, the President decides.
In the normal course of affairs, if the President woke up tomorrow and decide to nuke them, it wouldn't happen immediately. There's a whole process that would need to be followed, which would involve a lot of people trying to talk him out of it. But in the end it's either his decision, or you need to replace the President somehow.
However, if he gets woken up at 2am in the morning by his Defense staff, and they advise here the US is in danger, he has about 30 minutes to decide, and nobody will stop him.
I think the whole thing is fucking nuts. I can't get my head round these insecure little men and their deranged psychological demons that they feel the need to take the world to the brink of destruction
We talk a lot about mental health these days and the need to help those suffering. These two are crying out for help. And I don't mean this to belittle mental health. I truly believe we have two individuals that are fighting some huge demons
I think the whole thing is fucking nuts. I can't get my head round these insecure little men and their deranged psychological demons that they feel the need to take the world to the brink of destruction
We talk a lot about mental health these days and the need to help those suffering. These two are crying out for help. And I don't mean this to belittle mental health. I truly believe we have two individuals that are fighting some huge demons
I wonder, vaguely, which of them has the smaller penis.
There has been a lot of media coverage about that though, and it's incredibly annoying and callow and shows just how prone to shiny objects the media sometimes is.
He was telling a lot of the lying bullshitting buracrats some home truths in that room and he didn't care if it made him unpopular
His speech was brilliant if you read between the lines of some of he was telling those giving the U.K. a hard time on brexit that the leader of the country is the lone voice of its people and that as the voice of its people it often has hard decisions and stand alone moments
Much like he had to make the decisions he had based on those that voted for him
People can sneer and call him out for many things
But he went way up in my estimation for that speech
Absolutely brilliant with great delivery
Well I "sneer" at him because he wants to take away my access to healthcare, deny rights to large sections of Americans, and sometimes sides with White Supremacists.
The standards are so low for him that one decent speech is considered a success. In years gone, giving a passable speech to the UNGA would be a given.
His MO is to come in with grand statements and huge criticisms. Then, a foreign leader, like Macron or Abe or Jinping explain how complex and nuanced a situation is, and his outlook changes completely. See: his entire stance on North Korea and China back around February/March, and his outlook on NATO.
He was telling a lot of the lying bullshitting buracrats some home truths in that room and he didn't care if it made him unpopular
His speech was brilliant if you read between the lines of some of he was telling those giving the U.K. a hard time on brexit that the leader of the country is the lone voice of its people and that as the voice of its people it often has hard decisions and stand alone moments
Much like he had to make the decisions he had based on those that voted for him
People can sneer and call him out for many things
But he went way up in my estimation for that speech
Absolutely brilliant with great delivery
I'm really hoping this was a parody post, but I have a bad feeling it's not.
Trump is grandstanding to his jingoistic American nation. He knows America has the armaments to ‘win’ a war that will never ever happen. Trump = pudding in the wind and Willson run out is American support. Cue NK setting off another missile and Trump getting his dick out again. Not sure what the answer is as NK win’t disarm. China us the real power here, semi aligned with the Russians. Status quo
He is taking calculated risks, but if something goes wrong we could see a nuclear war. Fireing missiles is not a safe thing to do. The chance is remote but one could hit a passenger aircraft or fail at a crucial point and land in Japan rather than over it!
He is taking calculated risks, but if something goes wrong we could see a nuclear war. Fireing missiles is not a safe thing to do. The chance is remote but one could hit a passenger aircraft or fail at a crucial point and land in Japan rather than over it!
Could say thats already happened a few years ago with Russia and that Malaysia Airlines plane
Yes, but I think there was a different sort of error there. The last thing North Korea want to do is hit any plane, but there is always a chance when you shoot the missiles i the air where they do. They don't clear Japanese airspace first although I'm sure they do calculations.
Yes, but I think there was a different sort of error there. The last thing North Korea want to do is hit any plane, but there is always a chance when you shoot the missiles i the air where they do. They don't clear Japanese airspace first although I'm sure they do calculations.
People might think the North Koreans are crazy but their rocket scientists are not silly. Their missiles are launched from the western side of the country so the biggest hazard to air navigation and civilian populations is whilst over North Korea, by the time the missiles are over international waters their altitude is far in excess of anything a commercial airliner could reach. It might be a bit trickier on the way down but air navigation tracks over the Pacific are fixed and published so it's possible to plot an avoiding course for the missile re-entering the atmosphere. The track of the missiles over Japan is also aimed at the Tsugaru Straits so they actually spend as little time over Japanese land as possible, and at an altitude of 500+Km, in space.
While everybody makes a lot of noise about how reckless the North Koreans are, and I'll grant you the policy is geopolitically reckless, they are actually being rather careful where they point them.
I think Trump is grandstanding. He knows his rhetoric will be widely condemned by the diplomatic community and by China and Russia but he couldn't care less. He likes the sound of his own voice and knows full well that North Korea has no intentions of firing on US territory or at South Korea. All his jingoistic words are meaningless and he knows it.
Kim Jong- Un isn't going to stop his missile programme and will continue to test launch.
The only danger of this going tits up is as already has been said is for NK to mess up and for a missile going wrong.
Trump is a loose cannon and KJU a tyrannical nut job. How on earth do we let these people get anywhere near power.
He is taking calculated risks, but if something goes wrong we could see a nuclear war. Fireing missiles is not a safe thing to do. The chance is remote but one could hit a passenger aircraft or fail at a crucial point and land in Japan rather than over it!
why would it be a parody Trumps speech was superb yesterday, his politics and his opinions may not be to all taste but his speech was the bollox
To me, and to many others, it was the kind of speech he gives to appeal to his right wing nutcase supporters. There's a big difference between being strong and showing strength.
I think when his own chief of staff reacts like this...
...during the speech, that it's a bit of a clue as to how well it's going.
I especially liked the bit where he paused for applause, and the audience laughed at him.
To you it's scary to me it's fantastic that someone will stand up and publicly say what he did
Politicians and people are far too scared to say what they actually feel
What does it matter if it offends so what if that's someone's view then they should be allowed to say it
I don't agree with loads that the man says but his speech yesterday was superb it made people feel awkward and made people listen and debate
It's not the boring shit we normally here , he will only kill 25 million if their country tries to kill first what's wrong with that
Why should anyone have a country willingly firing rockets over other countries air space and just put up with it
Him telling people that it's USA first is right we should also be U.K. First as should every country in the world
It's refreshing like Reece Mogg the other day was refreshing he should be allowed to say his views and beliefs why not and the fact that it got Trump in power shows his thoughts and views were supported by the majority
He gets his wings clipped daily he can't pass through many things as the safety net is there to ensure that all people get representation via the senate and the House of Representatives
I love it when Vlad says it how it is we need more people willing to put their views out there and let people choose who runs their country based on who they really are not the boring towing the line shit we hear daily
Everett was reviled for his joke "Let's bomb Russia" as being in very poor taste. Who would have thought the leader of the US would one day say something similar for real when he was not being paid to be funny.
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He wouldn't appear to be that intelligent, so just who are the faceless minions who are 'really' pulling the strings?
What if anything do we outsiders know about them........I suspect very very little and I am convinced that therein lies the main problem?
His drive towards full nuclear power status for NK is driven to secure his position and nullify any attempt by outside foreign influences for regime change.
I doubt he's going to win any prizes for intellect but he's read his history with regard to how dictators work.
But yeah other than that, bang on the banana.
Trump has come out with more hollow rhetoric. To be fair to him, there's very, very, very little he can do, thought empty threats don't help. One thing he could do is APPOINT AN AMBASSADOR TO SOUTH KOREA FFS!!!
Also, this stuff with North Korea really puts the Iran deal into perspective. Iran is still a hugely problematic player in the region, but a nuclear Iran would be far worse. I was not a huge fan of some of Obama's foreign policy, but that was a good un.
"Just to be clear: The president of the United States threatened to wipe a country of 25 million people off the map."
Why Trump’s threat to ‘totally destroy’ North Korea is extraordinary — even for him
If they attack the US or its allies then he will totally destroy them
Which in my mind is what I would want our PM to say
Trumps speech today was epic it was bang on the money and superb about time someone said it
He just says louder, dumber things. Much of his policy is the same as Obama's apart from trying to distance himself from/neg South Korea and bully China.
Trump’s North Korea strategy: A lot like Obama’s
But as we see once or twice a month now, all of his threats are completely hollow. And not just at North Korea. His threats about "stopping trade with people who trade with North Korea." What, so we're going to stop trade with our largest trading partner, China, and crash our economy? It's ridiculous.
If there is one silver lining in all this it's that, at this point, seemingly no one takes his threats seriously at all. Except for the fact that the President of the United States is considered a joke, that's great.
He was telling a lot of the lying bullshitting buracrats some home truths in that room and he didn't care if it made him unpopular
His speech was brilliant if you read between the lines of some of he was telling those giving the U.K. a hard time on brexit that the leader of the country is the lone voice of its people and that as the voice of its people it often has hard decisions and stand alone moments
Much like he had to make the decisions he had based on those that voted for him
People can sneer and call him out for many things
But he went way up in my estimation for that speech
Absolutely brilliant with great delivery
We talk a lot about mental health these days and the need to help those suffering. These two are crying out for help. And I don't mean this to belittle mental health. I truly believe we have two individuals that are fighting some huge demons
There has been a lot of media coverage about that though, and it's incredibly annoying and callow and shows just how prone to shiny objects the media sometimes is.
The standards are so low for him that one decent speech is considered a success. In years gone, giving a passable speech to the UNGA would be a given.
His MO is to come in with grand statements and huge criticisms. Then, a foreign leader, like Macron or Abe or Jinping explain how complex and nuanced a situation is, and his outlook changes completely. See: his entire stance on North Korea and China back around February/March, and his outlook on NATO.
Let's see what he's saying on Thursday.
A perfect speech and if that's what he done during the election over there it's no wonder he won
The thing with Trump as I see it is that he is as mad as a box of frogs
People might think the North Koreans are crazy but their rocket scientists are not silly. Their missiles are launched from the western side of the country so the biggest hazard to air navigation and civilian populations is whilst over North Korea, by the time the missiles are over international waters their altitude is far in excess of anything a commercial airliner could reach. It might be a bit trickier on the way down but air navigation tracks over the Pacific are fixed and published so it's possible to plot an avoiding course for the missile re-entering the atmosphere. The track of the missiles over Japan is also aimed at the Tsugaru Straits so they actually spend as little time over Japanese land as possible, and at an altitude of 500+Km, in space.
While everybody makes a lot of noise about how reckless the North Koreans are, and I'll grant you the policy is geopolitically reckless, they are actually being rather careful where they point them.
Kim Jong- Un isn't going to stop his missile programme and will continue to test launch.
The only danger of this going tits up is as already has been said is for NK to mess up and for a missile going wrong.
Trump is a loose cannon and KJU a tyrannical nut job. How on earth do we let these people get anywhere near power.
I think when his own chief of staff reacts like this...
...during the speech, that it's a bit of a clue as to how well it's going.
I especially liked the bit where he paused for applause, and the audience laughed at him.
The bit about killing 25m people wasn't exactly a moment to be proud of, however you frame it, especially as respected NK experts have since stated they feel it's made more launches "more likely" than before.
I'm no expert (SD can talk about this with far more insight than I can) but the idea that his speech was "the bollox" is ludicrous. And scary.
Politicians and people are far too scared to say what they actually feel
What does it matter if it offends so what if that's someone's view then they should be allowed to say it
I don't agree with loads that the man says but his speech yesterday was superb it made people feel awkward and made people listen and debate
It's not the boring shit we normally here , he will only kill 25 million if their country tries to kill first what's wrong with that
Why should anyone have a country willingly firing rockets over other countries air space and just put up with it
Him telling people that it's USA first is right we should also be U.K. First as should every country in the world
It's refreshing like Reece Mogg the other day was refreshing he should be allowed to say his views and beliefs why not and the fact that it got Trump in power shows his thoughts and views were supported by the majority
He gets his wings clipped daily he can't pass through many things as the safety net is there to ensure that all people get representation via the senate and the House of Representatives
I love it when Vlad says it how it is we need more people willing to put their views out there and let people choose who runs their country based on who they really are not the boring towing the line shit we hear daily