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Anyway I'm, predictably enough, the weirdo who'll always be found in the Green Goddess whenever I'm anywhere near that area. Yeah I know. It isn't real beer, it's hipster nonsense, blah blah. You know I like real ale too right
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Wasn't this place ludicrously expensive after it rebranded to the Duke?clive said:2 -
I had you down as more of a Davy's Wine Vault manLeuth said:Anyway I'm, predictably enough, the weirdo who'll always be found in the Green Goddess whenever I'm anywhere near that area. Yeah I know. It isn't real beer, it's hipster nonsense, blah blah. You know I like real ale too right 0 -
Surprisingly as far as I am aware, they never made a pitch to Charlton fans. Which you would have thought they would have done given how close to Maze Hill station.clive said:2 -
I got the impression that football fans aren't the clientele they were looking for .....msomerton said:
Surprisingly as far as I am aware, they never made a pitch to Charlton fans. Which you would have thought they would have done given how close to Maze Hill station.clive said:
And now it's shutting.1 -
The leaseholder is a complete bastard. Drove the prior tenants out after several years fighting them to stop them building a house in the beer garden. Simply ran out of energy to fight them.The guy who owns the ultimate company owns lots of pubs across London that he is shutting down or charging criminal rents.The current tenants have tried to make a fist of it and I age always enjoyed a decent pint and laugh there. Sunday roasts were awesome too.Shame to see them go.His name is Asif Aziz. He’s a billionaire.3
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So he owns the White Swan also?
https://www.the-londoner.co.uk/exclusive-the-billionaire-developer-closing-londons-pubs/5 -
Looks like it from a quick google search0
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Very good article.Curb_It said:So he owns the White Swan also?
https://www.the-londoner.co.uk/exclusive-the-billionaire-developer-closing-londons-pubs/
The author reckons this bloke is responsible for around a third of all pub closures in london over the past 10 years, possibly more. Market forces some may say but the way he forces closures and eviction is immoral if it's not illegal.
"at least 29 pubs across London have been closed or redeveloped under the stewardship of companies owned by Aziz. The vast majority never reopened, with the buildings being left an empty husk or changed into flats."
Comments section mentions the Vanburgh and White Swan.4 -
It appears so, although it's very hard to conclusively prove this because of the network of offshore companies involved.Curb_It said:So he owns the White Swan also?
https://www.the-londoner.co.uk/exclusive-the-billionaire-developer-closing-londons-pubs/Although it seems the dam is starting to break, with lots of stories about companies connected to him having appeared recently, such as https://www.londoncentric.media/p/asf-aziz-london-candy-shops-gift-shop-unpaid-tax3 - Sponsored links:
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Is a shame, I often walk down there for a quick pint after games before getting the train back from maze hill.clive said:
At this rate I'll have to start walking all the way into Greenwich where I'll have a choice of spoons or paying £8 a pint.0 -
A shame that. I’d never been in it, but when it was Barclays it was managed, at one point, by the dad of a lad who became a great pal when we both joined Barclays ourselves in 1985. He was sadly killed in a car crash just before his 30th birthday and always reminded of his family connection whenever I went past it.clive said:2 -
Not local to Charlton, but there is a new book about the pubs over the years in my village. We haven't had more than one pub for over a 100yrs, although there is a suggestion that we had up to 4 at one time.
They may well be closing down faster now than before, but it appears to not be new. There is a link to the book here if you're interested.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1362880551391 -
Last time I went in there was 1st May 1999 - my wedding day, quick bit of dutch courage before crossing the road to the church!clive said:0 -
TellyTubby said:Not local to Charlton, but there is a new book about the pubs over the years in my village. We haven't had more than one pub for over a 100yrs, although there is a suggestion that we had up to 4 at one time.
They may well be closing down faster now than before, but it appears to not be new. There is a link to the book here if you're interested.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/136288055139The way of the world now. When we moved to Halling in Kent in 1985 there were five pubs (a sixth had only recently been closed) - there are now two and both are struggling. We now live in a small village in Cheshire which had two thriving pubs when we moved here in 2008 - now just one and that is struggling. There were 60k pubs in the UK in 2000, now 45k and still falling - it's a simple case of supply and demand and very little that can be done to reverse it.Thankfully, in nearby Nantwich it's a different story - more pubs than you can shake a stick at and a brilliant new sports bar has just opened.0 -
I have recently noticed it is probably the cosy country pub that has suffered the quickest demise. Any that have smaller clientele (obviously), plus have not been willing or able to diversify, to food or event hire etc. So the country pub with carpeted floor, low ceiling and alcoves, which I miss the most seems to be the hardest to find now.1
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I agree about "The Park Tavern" in that article. A wonderful pub in my opinion, nice staff, beers great, and the food spot on. Try their Pie, chips, and gravy! I meet old work colleagues there for catch ups and am always loathed to leave ! The garden is also great. Proper pub!! And only 10 minutes or so from the Station.0
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First pub I got served in due to being tall & looking older. Sounds like it’s changed a bit since early 80’scharlton4ever said:I agree about "The Park Tavern" in that article. A wonderful pub in my opinion, nice staff, beers great, and the food spot on. Try their Pie, chips, and gravy! I meet old work colleagues there for catch ups and am always loathed to leave ! The garden is also great. Proper pub!! And only 10 minutes or so from the Station.1 -
it's definitely changed! - great pub when I used to frequent it regularly 20+ years agoAlicanteaddicks said:
First pub I got served in due to being tall & looking older. Sounds like it’s changed a bit since early 80’scharlton4ever said:I agree about "The Park Tavern" in that article. A wonderful pub in my opinion, nice staff, beers great, and the food spot on. Try their Pie, chips, and gravy! I meet old work colleagues there for catch ups and am always loathed to leave ! The garden is also great. Proper pub!! And only 10 minutes or so from the Station.0 -
So glad The Rusty Bucket is still going as well., hopefully for many years to come.0
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bobmunro said:TellyTubby said:Not local to Charlton, but there is a new book about the pubs over the years in my village. We haven't had more than one pub for over a 100yrs, although there is a suggestion that we had up to 4 at one time.
They may well be closing down faster now than before, but it appears to not be new. There is a link to the book here if you're interested.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/136288055139The way of the world now. When we moved to Halling in Kent in 1985 there were five pubs (a sixth had only recently been closed) - there are now two and both are struggling. We now live in a small village in Cheshire which had two thriving pubs when we moved here in 2008 - now just one and that is struggling. There were 60k pubs in the UK in 2000, now 45k and still falling - it's a simple case of supply and demand and very little that can be done to reverse it.Thankfully, in nearby Nantwich it's a different story - more pubs than you can shake a stick at and a brilliant new sports bar has just opened.
Have been following the story of The Goat in Nantwich on Instagram....tbh, it's my personal idea of hell, but the owner seems a decent chap and am pleased it looks like it's doing well...we need some more good news stories when it comes to bars and pubs...0 -
No public transport (or the one-bus-a-week syndrome) anywhere but big cities has added to the problem.swords_alive said:I have recently noticed it is probably the cosy country pub that has suffered the quickest demise. Any that have smaller clientele (obviously), plus have not been willing or able to diversify, to food or event hire etc. So the country pub with carpeted floor, low ceiling and alcoves, which I miss the most seems to be the hardest to find now.0 -
But there's never been public transport to some of these places. I would suggest it's the change in attitudes towards drink driving that's a big cause of the issues for country pubs, on top of all of the other factors that have brought challenges to pubs as a whole.Algarveaddick said:
No public transport (or the one-bus-a-week syndrome) anywhere but big cities has added to the problem.swords_alive said:I have recently noticed it is probably the cosy country pub that has suffered the quickest demise. Any that have smaller clientele (obviously), plus have not been willing or able to diversify, to food or event hire etc. So the country pub with carpeted floor, low ceiling and alcoves, which I miss the most seems to be the hardest to find now.1 -
Some of them Offy, I agree, but not all?Off_it said:
But there's never been public transport to some of these places. I would suggest it's the change in attitudes towards drink driving that's a big cause of the issues for country pubs, on top of all of the other factors that have brought challenges to pubs as a whole.Algarveaddick said:
No public transport (or the one-bus-a-week syndrome) anywhere but big cities has added to the problem.swords_alive said:I have recently noticed it is probably the cosy country pub that has suffered the quickest demise. Any that have smaller clientele (obviously), plus have not been willing or able to diversify, to food or event hire etc. So the country pub with carpeted floor, low ceiling and alcoves, which I miss the most seems to be the hardest to find now.
In the seventies when my dad's factory was in Watton-at Stone and we lived in Biggleswade, if my dad had a few after work, the village bobby would follow him to the motorway in his patrol car so he wouldn't get pulled up... He'd usually had a couple himself. Different world.1 -
Luckily, our local has a dynamic couple running it. Before they bought it during Covid, it was on its knees.bobmunro said:TellyTubby said:Not local to Charlton, but there is a new book about the pubs over the years in my village. We haven't had more than one pub for over a 100yrs, although there is a suggestion that we had up to 4 at one time.
They may well be closing down faster now than before, but it appears to not be new. There is a link to the book here if you're interested.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/136288055139The way of the world now. When we moved to Halling in Kent in 1985 there were five pubs (a sixth had only recently been closed) - there are now two and both are struggling. We now live in a small village in Cheshire which had two thriving pubs when we moved here in 2008 - now just one and that is struggling. There were 60k pubs in the UK in 2000, now 45k and still falling - it's a simple case of supply and demand and very little that can be done to reverse it.Thankfully, in nearby Nantwich it's a different story - more pubs than you can shake a stick at and a brilliant new sports bar has just opened.
Only problem is that the landlady and the current village shop owner are poxy Nigels! FFS, we move 250 miles away and have to deal with that!!!1 -
No smoking must have made a big impact. Pint and a fag was the norm for most men.Off_it said:
But there's never been public transport to some of these places. I would suggest it's the change in attitudes towards drink driving that's a big cause of the issues for country pubs, on top of all of the other factors that have brought challenges to pubs as a whole.Algarveaddick said:
No public transport (or the one-bus-a-week syndrome) anywhere but big cities has added to the problem.swords_alive said:I have recently noticed it is probably the cosy country pub that has suffered the quickest demise. Any that have smaller clientele (obviously), plus have not been willing or able to diversify, to food or event hire etc. So the country pub with carpeted floor, low ceiling and alcoves, which I miss the most seems to be the hardest to find now.0 -
Yeah, but that goes for all pubs. What would make a country pub different from a city pub is that it's more remote and less people would probably live in walking distance. So on top of all of the other pressures/changes pubs have faced (smoking ban, cheap supermarket booze, higher taxes, change in culture, other things to do, etc) the average country pub would also probably have less potential punters on their immediate doorstep.Baldybonce said:
No smoking must have made a big impact. Pint and a fag was the norm for most men.Off_it said:
But there's never been public transport to some of these places. I would suggest it's the change in attitudes towards drink driving that's a big cause of the issues for country pubs, on top of all of the other factors that have brought challenges to pubs as a whole.Algarveaddick said:
No public transport (or the one-bus-a-week syndrome) anywhere but big cities has added to the problem.swords_alive said:I have recently noticed it is probably the cosy country pub that has suffered the quickest demise. Any that have smaller clientele (obviously), plus have not been willing or able to diversify, to food or event hire etc. So the country pub with carpeted floor, low ceiling and alcoves, which I miss the most seems to be the hardest to find now.1
