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Di Canio

Always liked the bloke, quality player, great attitude and desire and i love his passion as a manager, especially during that north east derby victory.

However i'm starting to wonder just how long he can continue as he is. These are his latest comments:

Sunderland boss Paolo Di Canio has threatened to get rid of players who have stepped out of line at the club. Phil Bardsley and Matthew Kilgallon, who were pictured in a casino in midweek, were not included in the squad for Sunday's 1-0 defeat at Tottenham.
Di Canio recently fined seven players for breaches of discipline and called some behaviour "pathetic".
"These players will not be here next year - not under me," said the Italian, without naming specific squad members.

He added: "The owner and I are going to sit at the table and go through but he knows many things. "This is what he told me before: 'Relax, don't worry because we are going to change many things', so it sounds like he supports me completely. We will see in the future. We have to make sure we bring in not only good players, but with a good professionalism that can give satisfaction to everyone”.

Di Canio was particularly angered by Bardsley and Kilgallon's behaviour in midweek as he vented his anger following their final-day defeat.
"It was disgusting. These people can't train with me," the former Swindon Town manager said.
"We were talking about strict rules. I discovered the day after that these people spent nearly all night out in the way you saw.
"I know someone can make a mistake - I did in the past, maybe not in that way. But every time we win, or we are happy, are we going to behave like this? It is ridiculous and pathetic"



After a while players will surely tire of such a hardline approach and won't want to play for him. Whilst i agree there needs to be some form of discipline you can't just keep fining players week after week and threatening to sell anyone who upsets you.
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  • think he's right, bunch of over-paid prima donnas. they can behave as they wish when they retire or during the summer break but during the season act properly and don't breach club discipline procedures. can't have it all ways. priviledged over-paid tossers most of them.
  • If I was Sunderland I'd sack him now.

    They brought him in to generate a reaction to keep them up, I guess it worked. However with Di Canio it's only ever going to end one way - badly.

    If they stick with him for next season I reckon they'll be relegated.
  • Always liked the bloke, quality player, great attitude and desire and i love his passion as a manager, especially during that north east derby victory.

    However i'm starting to wonder just how long he can continue as he is. These are his latest comments:

    Sunderland boss Paolo Di Canio has threatened to get rid of players who have stepped out of line at the club. Phil Bardsley and Matthew Kilgallon, who were pictured in a casino in midweek, were not included in the squad for Sunday's 1-0 defeat at Tottenham.
    Di Canio recently fined seven players for breaches of discipline and called some behaviour "pathetic".
    "These players will not be here next year - not under me," said the Italian, without naming specific squad members.

    He added: "The owner and I are going to sit at the table and go through but he knows many things. "This is what he told me before: 'Relax, don't worry because we are going to change many things', so it sounds like he supports me completely. We will see in the future. We have to make sure we bring in not only good players, but with a good professionalism that can give satisfaction to everyone”.

    Di Canio was particularly angered by Bardsley and Kilgallon's behaviour in midweek as he vented his anger following their final-day defeat.
    "It was disgusting. These people can't train with me," the former Swindon Town manager said.
    "We were talking about strict rules. I discovered the day after that these people spent nearly all night out in the way you saw.
    "I know someone can make a mistake - I did in the past, maybe not in that way. But every time we win, or we are happy, are we going to behave like this? It is ridiculous and pathetic"



    After a while players will surely tire of such a hardline approach and won't want to play for him. Whilst i agree there needs to be some form of discipline you can't just keep fining players week after week and threatening to sell anyone who upsets you.

    Don't see what is wrong with his comments, players should have more rules and boundaries as some clearly just take the pi**.

    IMO more managers should speak out more in regards to unprofessional behaviour.
  • Well at least he makes the training run on time.
  • I think he's right as well. Shows how ridiculous the footballing world is when average run of the mill players like Phil bloody Bardsley are on £20-30k a week and think they are above the normal man. I've got no problem that Messi and Ronaldo in one week earn more than the "average" person earns in a decade, they are truly at the top of their profession and are a global influence on the game both in a sporting and commercial sense. But honestly, squad players at average PL teams? It is out of control.

    However, whether or not he can be so cutting and so public in his handling of these matters is another question. I think it's about time someone "on the inside" had the balls to come out and say things like this but not sure if I'm your average ignorant self-indulged footballer I'd be falling over myself to join Sunderland and take a pounding in public.
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    Good on Paolo. 50k a week these bogg standard players and think they can mess about when they've got a job to do. As Large said, go out in the summer, work hard during the season.
  • think he's right, bunch of over-paid prima donnas. they can behave as they wish when they retire or during the summer break but during the season act properly and don't breach club discipline procedures. can't have it all ways. priviledged over-paid tossers most of them.

    Agree 100%. His political views might not be to our liking but he's got the same no-nonsense attitude as, for instance, Brian Clough.
  • edited May 2013
    ...can't we just resurrect the old "Di Canio, he's great! No he isn't he's sh*t!" thread?
  • Well pleased Di Canio has said this, what the feck does Bardsley think he is doing behaving like this?

    He has a new boss - who he knows is a hard arse - and he gets pissed till the early hours and takes stupid photos, what a dickhead.

  • However, whether or not he can be so cutting and so public in his handling of these matters is another question. I think it's about time someone "on the inside" had the balls to come out and say things like this but not sure if I'm your average ignorant self-indulged footballer I'd be falling over myself to join Sunderland and take a pounding in public.




    Exactly. It's probably reasonably difficult to get top players to go and live in the north east, usually you'd do so by over paying them. If players know the manager is a nutter who will be on their case 24-7 making them actually work hard for their money then they might well decide to go elsewhere.
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  • the pics of bardsley and others out in the casino at 3 am on tuesday night when you have a game the weekend is out of order and shows a lack of class and respect


    one game left in the season is the equivilant to having a week left at work before a nice long hol they only had to wait a week to let their hair down

    i make him 100% right
  • It reads well in the papers and it gets the reaction above that he wants ie "all players are overpaid, blah, blah, blah, Di Canio is tough and sorting them out, blah, blah, blah"

    In reality it means nothing. Paying players £30k of £3k pw won't makes them better or worse players or better or worse people.

    Some players have always broken curfews and done stupid things and some always will. Most players work hard and obey the rules. And most clubs and fans will forgive mis-behaviour if the player is doing it on the pitch.

    These people aren't and shouldn't be role models. They are just footballers.
  • If we were all on the same amount of money and had the same status, then we would all be such goody goodies with no flaws wouldn't we? :)
  • Mixed feelings. Glad he is coming out and saying this sort of shit is unacceptable. Not sure it is good management to be so public. I can imagine SCP may have done similar things, but kept it all on the inside. Apart from anything else, PDC has basically said that any player who leaves this summer behaves this way. Could affect transfer values.

    Disagree strongly with Henry. They are not role models, but certain standards are demanded in return for the money the earn. Just because they are often not bright, or from disrupted backgrounds, does not mean that they should be allowed to behave just any old way. There is also a peculiarly British problem with boozing, which really offends PDC, and rightly. As he says, it takes you 3-4 days to recover fully from a bender. The continentals are baffled why Brit players interfere with their own career potential in this destructive way.
  • I think the Swindon chairman said something about how he'd throw a grenade and he'd have to pick up the pieces. I don;t have a problem with what he said at Sunderland though. They're still being paid a fortune to represent the club, the season's not over yet and they're partying like it's 1979.

    I wrote an article on why I can't bring myself to dislike him despite his being a fascist, recently, if anyone's interested. Written from the perspective of a lefty Charlton fan.

    http://sabotagetimes.com/football/id-rather-spend-an-hour-with-fascist-di-canio-than-5-mins-with-alan-shearer/
  • It reads well in the papers and it gets the reaction above that he wants ie "all players are overpaid, blah, blah, blah, Di Canio is tough and sorting them out, blah, blah, blah"

    In reality it means nothing. Paying players £30k of £3k pw won't makes them better or worse players or better or worse people.

    Some players have always broken curfews and done stupid things and some always will. Most players work hard and obey the rules. And most clubs and fans will forgive mis-behaviour if the player is doing it on the pitch.

    These people aren't and shouldn't be role models. They are just footballers.

    I agree that PDC will be loving the press coverage BUT I also think he is well within his rights to address the 'drinking culture' amongst the younger players head on.

    From what I understand MON was not a big presence at Sunderland because he spent a lot of time at home with his wife who has been unwell, so he was more of a coach than an all seeing manager.

    For PDC, a bloke who payed at the highest levels of the game, he probably cannot believe that a bloke like Bardsley thinks he has made it already and can write himself off between games!

    The culture in a club is critical, look at the total unravelling of the Australian cricket team these last few years as solid blokes like Hayden and Langer have been replaced by wankers like Warner and Watson who are in it for themselves.
  • I bet Michael Johnson could have done with a manager like Di Canio when he was a kid.
  • PDC.......it's always about him. What he is saying is probably correct, but that should have been kept in house. Can't stand the ego maniac. Sunderland and PDC is destined for tears.

  • However, whether or not he can be so cutting and so public in his handling of these matters is another question. I think it's about time someone "on the inside" had the balls to come out and say things like this but not sure if I'm your average ignorant self-indulged footballer I'd be falling over myself to join Sunderland and take a pounding in public.

    If players know the manager is a nutter who will be on their case 24-7 making them actually work hard for their money then they might well decide to go elsewhere.
    ...and the club would be far better off for those players who don't fancy putting the effort in going elsewhere IMO.

    Let's put this in perspective, these players were celebrating finishing 4th bottom ffs. They should be ashamed of their performance given the resources they had available this season, not beering it up before the season's over.
    cafctom said:

    If we were all on the same amount of money and had the same status, then we would all be such goody goodies with no flaws wouldn't we? :)

    Yes, I would be a "goody goodie". It's called professionalism.
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  • If he forces a few players out of Sunderland with this hard line attitude then it's mission accomplished. A vast majority of their players are rubbish. And dicks, by the sounds of things.
  • Sunderland players get paid a lot of money and have a lifestyle that we can only dream about. What comes with that is an expectation of dedication, hard work and a level of professionalism. I can completely see why PDC thinks certain players have not lived up to those expectations if they are out a 3 am in a casino. The players in my view can adhere to the expectations of their manager or expect to get shipped out. The managers job is dependant on him producing the goods and to do so he needs staff he can trust and work with. Footballers are not role models in any way but this is just about well paid, pampered and lucky employees doing what is required of them.
  • Agree with SHG. Can I just add that I worked for Transport for London. They had a strict "no drink, no drugs" rule, with random tests. These were applied to everyone, not just the tube and bus drivers. It's about turning up to work fit and well enough to do your job properly.

    And we weren't on fotballers wages and we didn't have six weeks off in the summer.
  • Sunderland players get paid a lot of money and have a lifestyle that we can only dream about. What comes with that is an expectation of dedication, hard work and a level of professionalism. I can completely see why PDC thinks certain players have not lived up to those expectations if they are out a 3 am in a casino. The players in my view can adhere to the expectations of their manager or expect to get shipped out. The managers job is dependant on him producing the goods and to do so he needs staff he can trust and work with. Footballers are not role models in any way but this is just about well paid, pampered and lucky employees doing what is required of them.

    Agree 100%.
  • I am sure that Chris Powell may have had some player issues to deal with, what workplace doesn't? However one of Chris' big strengths is how much he has created a genuine team, where, as he puts it, everybody 'cares' about each-other. Not blind 'loyalty' simply for loyalty's sake. A subtle difference between being loyal and being caring. I think Chris deals with players and their issues in their context. He knows if he is digging out somebody, it is somebody's son, or partner, that they are always people, he makes space for that wider view of his players. Hence I have yet to hear about any player having a bad word to say about Chris however much playing time they get.
    In my view Chris has excellent interpersonal skills.
  • Sunderland will be relegated next season FACT!
  • Well certainly Paulo doesn't play with the full deck but the players are like a bunch of overpaid, moronic schoolkids and righly need pulling in line. Not much of an example to set youngsters is it? Frankly with the Stuff going on at Stoke and this at times I despair at modern players.
  • Sunderland boss Paolo Di Canio issued warning by the PFA

    PFA chief Gordon Taylor has warned Di Canio that he cannot be a "law unto himself" after members of Sunderland's squad raised a complaint with their union following a series of club fines.

    Di Canio has fined a number of his players after a club night out hit the back page headlines prior to their final game of the season at Tottenham.

    The Italian was unapologetic in his public condemnation of some of his players - but now they have brought the PFA in.

    And PFA chief Taylor is far from happy with Di Canio.

    "He cannot be a law unto himself," Taylor told the Daily Mirror.

    "We're aware of player unrest at some comments made publicly, and other situations. A number of players are involved.

    "We're aware of Paolo Di Canio's comments - it's something we had to deal with [when the Italian was manager] at Swindon as well.

    "Our rules for discipline are agreed with the Premier League and Football Association."
  • Sunderland players get paid a lot of money and have a lifestyle that we can only dream about. What comes with that is an expectation of dedication, hard work and a level of professionalism. I can completely see why PDC thinks certain players have not lived up to those expectations if they are out a 3 am in a casino. The players in my view can adhere to the expectations of their manager or expect to get shipped out. The managers job is dependant on him producing the goods and to do so he needs staff he can trust and work with. Footballers are not role models in any way but this is just about well paid, pampered and lucky employees doing what is required of them.




    Don't get me wrong, i admire di Canio for putting his foot down but it's the way he's gone about it and from that post above quoting Gordon taylor it appears as if he's upset half his squad. He could probably afford to throw his weight around and bully players in league's one and two because decent players are a lot easier to come by. Good premier league players are not so easy to come by though, and he'll have a job attracting players when they hear about his hard line approach.

    At school did you enjoy the class more with the relaxed teacher who had a laugh with the class, or the class with the no nonsense shouting bully of a teacher who gave you a detention for breathing?
  • Good for DiCanio.
    He's the boss and should run his team as he sees fit.
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