Sunderland players get paid a lot of money and have a lifestyle that we can only dream about. What comes with that is an expectation of dedication, hard work and a level of professionalism. I can completely see why PDC thinks certain players have not lived up to those expectations if they are out a 3 am in a casino. The players in my view can adhere to the expectations of their manager or expect to get shipped out. The managers job is dependant on him producing the goods and to do so he needs staff he can trust and work with. Footballers are not role models in any way but this is just about well paid, pampered and lucky employees doing what is required of them.
Don't get me wrong, i admire di Canio for putting his foot down but it's the way he's gone about it and from that post above quoting Gordon taylor it appears as if he's upset half his squad. He could probably afford to throw his weight around and bully players in league's one and two because decent players are a lot easier to come by. Good premier league players are not so easy to come by though, and he'll have a job attracting players when they hear about his hard line approach.
At school did you enjoy the class more with the relaxed teacher who had a laugh with the class, or the class with the no nonsense shouting bully of a teacher who gave you a detention for breathing?
How many good Premier League players do Sunderland have? Not very many, Di Canio is probably stirring the nest to try and get rid of all the shite he has in his squad and bring some decent players in, or at least some that want to play for him.
I know he comes across as a bit of a twat at times, but his record so far is OK he just needs to make sure he doesn't overdo it like Roy Keane did with all the 'iron fist' stuff.
Given our reaction when McCormick took his missus up the Oxo tower (ooer) can you imagine what it would have been like had it been one of our players pissed up in a casino four days before a match and when the only thing they're celebrating is narrowly avoiding relegation by the skin of their teeth? And if we'd heard one of ours hadn't turned up to a charity shirt signing?
If it was at Charlton we'd mostly be singing DiCanio's praises for publicly distancing the club from such behaviour.
And for those that say it should be dealt with behind closed doors, I'm afraid the players lost that right when they started posting photos of their antics on social networks.
I'm not DiCanio's biggest fan but in this instance I don't think he's done anything wrong.
It's going to be interesting as Gordon Taylor seems to be up for a fight and they have already clashed over exactly the same thing at swindon. As much as i agree with the purge of lazy prima donnas, public humilation does not work, ask Roberto Mancini.
Should've kept it all internal like Powell has done with some of ours I think. Wasn't Kyle Reid a bit of a nawty boy and Powell quietly showed him the door?
Curbs said the likes of Parker learnt a shitload about the "professional" lifestyle by the way di canio ate and conducted himself and looked after his body. I think as some one mentioned, blind loyalty is good if you want a team of robots. If you want a team of good decision making players on the pitch you've got to create an environment in which everyone's in it together and cares for each other. Makes me feel even luckier to have SCP as manager.
Should've kept it all internal like Powell has done with some of ours I think. Wasn't Kyle Reid a bit of a nawty boy and Powell quietly showed him the door?
Curbs said the likes of Parker learnt a shitload about the "professional" lifestyle by the way di canio ate and conducted himself and looked after his body. I think as some one mentioned, blind loyalty is good if you want a team of robots. If you want a team of good decision making players on the pitch you've got to create an environment in which everyone's in it together and cares for each other. Makes me feel even luckier to have SCP as manager.
Agree. Its a fine line as a manager and something the SCP seems to have mastered very quickly.
Di Canio is right to fine the two players but it seems that he wants to put out some sort of message early in his Sunderland career that he wont stand for any shit, but thats a dangerous game to play, especially when they really need to strengthen over the summer.
Wonder how long Cattermole will remain club captain for. He's usually either injured, suspended or in trouble with the police. Can't see di Canio putting up with him for long. Is he still banned from every pub in Newcastle?
I am sure that Chris Powell may have had some player issues to deal with, what workplace doesn't? However one of Chris' big strengths is how much he has created a genuine team, where, as he puts it, everybody 'cares' about each-other. Not blind 'loyalty' simply for loyalty's sake. A subtle difference between being loyal and being caring. I think Chris deals with players and their issues in their context. He knows if he is digging out somebody, it is somebody's son, or partner, that they are always people, he makes space for that wider view of his players. Hence I have yet to hear about any player having a bad word to say about Chris however much playing time they get. In my view Chris has excellent interpersonal skills.
Well said, Seth. We speak as one on this.
The current Mackems are not HIS players but surely one of the first thing a new manager does is to set out the ground rules clearly but using the right language . Coming across as a dictator would ineviatblt get a few hackles rising. Unfortunately, I wouldn't think that man management and communication skills feature high on his CV.
To gain the respect of a group of players , you surely have to show respect to them first.
He could learn a lot of lessons from SCP , for sure but would he be prepared to listen ?
Given our reaction when McCormick took his missus up the Oxo tower (ooer) can you imagine what it would have been like had it been one of our players pissed up in a casino four days before a match and when the only thing they're celebrating is narrowly avoiding relegation by the skin of their teeth? And if we'd heard one of ours hadn't turned up to a charity shirt signing?
If it was at Charlton we'd mostly be singing DiCanio's praises for publicly distancing the club from such behaviour.
And for those that say it should be dealt with behind closed doors, I'm afraid the players lost that right when they started posting photos of their antics on social networks.
I'm not DiCanio's biggest fan but in this instance I don't think he's done anything wrong.
I didn't realise the players had posted the fotos themselves. I think that swings me further on PDC's side in going public. And I am massively unimpressed with the PFA statement. Am I understand that the PFA has set up some kind of tariff system for fines which managers have to follow? Well **** that, if so.I'd like to hear from Gordon-900k a year - Taylor if he is condoning the behaviour of these twats, and if not, how he thinks PDC should deal with them.
I am sure that Chris Powell may have had some player issues to deal with, what workplace doesn't? However one of Chris' big strengths is how much he has created a genuine team, where, as he puts it, everybody 'cares' about each-other. Not blind 'loyalty' simply for loyalty's sake. A subtle difference between being loyal and being caring. I think Chris deals with players and their issues in their context. He knows if he is digging out somebody, it is somebody's son, or partner, that they are always people, he makes space for that wider view of his players. Hence I have yet to hear about any player having a bad word to say about Chris however much playing time they get. In my view Chris has excellent interpersonal skills.
Well said, Seth. We speak as one on this.
The current Mackems are not HIS players but surely one of the first thing a new manager does is to set out the ground rules clearly but using the right language . Coming across as a dictator would ineviatblt get a few hackles rising. Unfortunately, I wouldn't think that man management and communication skills feature high on his CV.
To gain the respect of a group of players , you surely have to show respect to them first.
He could learn a lot of lessons from SCP , for sure but would he be prepared to listen ?
Players do have more power it seems - Di Canio has a right to be strong with under-performing players but he doesn't want to lose the respect of the decent players he has.
How many quality players would take a chance and sign for such an unpredictable manager. Sunderland already have problems attracting top players to the North East.
Didn't Graham Westley try laying down the law when he first started at Preston? Lost the dressing room almost immediately. If a bunch of L1 players threw their toys out of the pram I can't imagine Prem players will take it any better. I agree with Henry that there's no point in seeing these players as role models, because they aren't, but it seems like they've been ludicrously unprofessional and they deserve their fines. The thing that rankles most is these men are unbelievably lucky to be where they are, they've behaved in a way unacceptable for the position they occupy, and when they're disciplined for their transgressions they go crying to their union claiming it's unfair. It's unfair that Sunderland fans had to watch a bunch of clowns shrug their way through a Prem season at ridiculous prices. Players don't have to love the club or alter their lifestyles to suit the fans but they do have to act like professionals
I think PDC should tell Mr. Taylor that when his job (Taylor's) depends on the performance and professionalism of a group of individuals that are paid enormous sums of money for putting in a performance and being professional but can't because they have been up all night on the lash then he would be prepared to listen.
I think PDC should tell Mr. Taylor that when his job (Taylor's) depends on the performance and professionalism of a group of individuals that are paid enormous sums of money for putting in a performance and being professional but can't because they have been up all night on the lash then he would be prepared to listen.
Mixed feelings. Glad he is coming out and saying this sort of shit is unacceptable. Not sure it is good management to be so public. I can imagine SCP may have done similar things, but kept it all on the inside. Apart from anything else, PDC has basically said that any player who leaves this summer behaves this way. Could affect transfer values.
Disagree strongly with Henry. They are not role models, but certain standards are demanded in return for the money the earn. Just because they are often not bright, or from disrupted backgrounds, does not mean that they should be allowed to behave just any old way. There is also a peculiarly British problem with boozing, which really offends PDC, and rightly. As he says, it takes you 3-4 days to recover fully from a bender. The continentals are baffled why Brit players interfere with their own career potential in this destructive way.
If a role model is someone who sets an example for others to emulate then good or bad I think we're in cloud cuckoo land if we imagine our kids aren't influenced by what our footballers get up to, whether directly or indirectly. Certainly you only have to spend 15 minutes at a kids' match to see that for yourself, and it's not all good by any means.
So I tend to agree that there's a responsibility of anyone with the type of profile footballers have to behave in a way that sets a good example to anyone wishing to emulate their success. Compare our footballers to our athletes, and the positive influence they had on us all. That's not to say footballers should be angels, of course - but the excesses that so many footballers seem to go to should be curbed in my opinion.
Except the responsible Brighton footballer, of course - all footballers should be encouraged to emulate that particular achievement.
All that said, PDC's a fruitloop and personally I think he's in danger of bringing Sunderland into no less disrepute than his players are. He's so busy talking himself up that he's missing the damage he's doing to the very hand that feeds him.
Tempted to stick a lot of money on Sunderland going down next year.
Premiership footballers with their egos won't work well under someone like Di Canio. Either there'll be a complete overhaul of the squad, or the team will not play well at all.
Given our reaction when McCormick took his missus up the Oxo tower (ooer) can you imagine what it would have been like had it been one of our players pissed up in a casino four days before a match and when the only thing they're celebrating is narrowly avoiding relegation by the skin of their teeth? And if we'd heard one of ours hadn't turned up to a charity shirt signing?
If it was at Charlton we'd mostly be singing DiCanio's praises for publicly distancing the club from such behaviour.
And for those that say it should be dealt with behind closed doors, I'm afraid the players lost that right when they started posting photos of their antics on social networks.
I'm not DiCanio's biggest fan but in this instance I don't think he's done anything wrong.
Tempted to stick a lot of money on Sunderland going down next year.
Premiership footballers with their egos won't work well under someone like Di Canio. Either there'll be a complete overhaul of the squad, or the team will not play well at all.
Agree .di canio looks to have a real job on his hands.sunderland wont be getting in any 100k a week players so will probably end up with more of same.dont see him being there more than a season.
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I know he comes across as a bit of a twat at times, but his record so far is OK he just needs to make sure he doesn't overdo it like Roy Keane did with all the 'iron fist' stuff.
If it was at Charlton we'd mostly be singing DiCanio's praises for publicly distancing the club from such behaviour.
And for those that say it should be dealt with behind closed doors, I'm afraid the players lost that right when they started posting photos of their antics on social networks.
I'm not DiCanio's biggest fan but in this instance I don't think he's done anything wrong.
Curbs said the likes of Parker learnt a shitload about the "professional" lifestyle by the way di canio ate and conducted himself and looked after his body. I think as some one mentioned, blind loyalty is good if you want a team of robots. If you want a team of good decision making players on the pitch you've got to create an environment in which everyone's in it together and cares for each other. Makes me feel even luckier to have SCP as manager.
Di Canio is right to fine the two players but it seems that he wants to put out some sort of message early in his Sunderland career that he wont stand for any shit, but thats a dangerous game to play, especially when they really need to strengthen over the summer.
The current Mackems are not HIS players but surely one of the first thing a new manager does is to set out the ground rules clearly but using the right language . Coming across as a dictator would ineviatblt get a few hackles rising. Unfortunately, I wouldn't think that man management and communication skills feature high on his CV.
To gain the respect of a group of players , you surely have to show respect to them first.
He could learn a lot of lessons from SCP , for sure but would he be prepared to listen ?
Sorry. You the woman!
Sunderland already have problems attracting top players to the North East.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2326902/Phil-Bardsley-pictured-lying-50-notes-casino-floor.html
So I tend to agree that there's a responsibility of anyone with the type of profile footballers have to behave in a way that sets a good example to anyone wishing to emulate their success. Compare our footballers to our athletes, and the positive influence they had on us all. That's not to say footballers should be angels, of course - but the excesses that so many footballers seem to go to should be curbed in my opinion.
Except the responsible Brighton footballer, of course - all footballers should be encouraged to emulate that particular achievement.
All that said, PDC's a fruitloop and personally I think he's in danger of bringing Sunderland into no less disrepute than his players are. He's so busy talking himself up that he's missing the damage he's doing to the very hand that feeds him.
Premiership footballers with their egos won't work well under someone like Di Canio. Either there'll be a complete overhaul of the squad, or the team will not play well at all.