Unfortunately think it'll be a good appointment but it'll be nice to see the Toolbox in meltdown for a couple of months at least. Earlier we play them in the season, the better IMO.
Well it won't be a better appointment than the manager they already had.
Unfortunately think it'll be a good appointment but it'll be nice to see the Toolbox in meltdown for a couple of months at least. Earlier we play them in the season, the better IMO.
Well it won't be a better appointment than the manager they already had.
Depends.
Jackett was good but not exactly the messiah. Not sure how Lomas will fair but with a decent track record, it would be silly to write him off.
Don't know what all the fuss is about, we've played West Ham more then Scumwall have. Their rivalry is a joke
What has how many times they've played against each other have to do with anything? And what do you mean by `their rivalry is a joke'?
They hate each other...and I really mean hate each other. Both clubs have heavy elements within their support that would love nothing more than to be allowed to kick seven bells out of each other. The Police have an absolute 'mare whenever the two teams meet and the clubs themselves dread it for obvious reasons. We call Palace the `Nigels' and they call us `Trainspotters/Clowns'. Millwall/West Ham refer to each other as the rats/vermin/poison/scum etc....much more intense. How you can describe their rivalry as a joke is ridiculous. I suspect the `81' in your name indicates your year of birth so maybe you're too young and not aware of when the bitter rivalry started between 'em and its background.
Don't know what all the fuss is about, we've played West Ham more then Scumwall have. Their rivalry is a joke
What has how many times they've played against each other have to do with anything? And what do you mean by `their rivalry is a joke'?
They hate each other...and I really mean hate each other. Both clubs have heavy elements within their support that would love nothing more than to be allowed to kick seven bells out of each other. The Police have an absolute 'mare whenever the two teams meet and the clubs themselves dread it for obvious reasons. We call Palace the `Nigels' and they call us `Trainspotters/Clowns'. Millwall/West Ham refer to each other as the rats/vermin/poison/scum etc....much more intense. How you can describe their rivalry as a joke is ridiculous. I suspect the `81' in your name indicates your year of birth so maybe you're too young and not aware of when the bitter rivalry started between 'em and its background.
Their rivalry goes back to the London Docks and allegedly some Labour disputes when the Milwall docks carried on working whilst the West Ham docks were on strike.
This seems to have been forgotten about until the 70's and the next big claim to close rivalry is really concerning hooliganism surprise suprise.Wiki has an entry 'East London derby'about it.
Invented tradition. It's like the jubilee, you just make some old shit up and say it's always been like this and it slowly gets into the consciousness and you almost believe it. The dock shit is a classic example.
Invented tradition. It's like the jubilee, you just make some old shit up and say it's always been like this and it slowly gets into the consciousness and you almost believe it. The dock shit is a classic example.
Well whatever, but they do not like each other. Cups aside they are not likely to be playing each other much any time soon.
My brother is a West ham season ticket holder as are five of my good friends and they would struggle to give you 5 millwall players names of the past 20 years between them.
99% of West ham fans do not know why they hâte them. I hear a lot more anti spurs stuff than anything nowa days.
A has been hooligan rivalry so stuck in the past its embarrassing. Millwall thinks it Makes them à bigger club, not quite sure what's in it for west ham.
Their rivalry goes back to the London Docks and allegedly some Labour disputes when the Milwall docks carried on working whilst the West Ham docks were on strike.
This seems to have been forgotten about until the 70's and the next big claim to close rivalry is really concerning hooliganism surprise suprise.Wiki has an entry 'East London derby'about it.
No it doesn't and it wasnt' "forgotten" until the 70s, it was made up in the 80/90s to justify it.
There are no records of this dispute being the reason from before the 80s when suddenly every other spanner had heard it from some old relative. Just another Millwall myth.
The fixture between Millwall and West Ham has always been a fierce encounter, from the first ever meeting between the clubs, a friendly on 23 September 1897 which the newly-formed Thames Ironworks (which later became West Ham United) lost 2–0. Millwall was formed in 1885 by tinsmiths at JT Morton's canned food factory on the Isle of Dogs. Ten years later, a foreman at Thames Ironworks, London's last major shipbuilding firm, decided to form a football team to improve the morale of his workers. With each set of players and supporters working for opposing firms, vying for the same contracts, rivalries were instigated and they intensified.
The second meeting between the sides was a Southern League match that became the game that spanned two centuries. The fixture at Thames Ironworks' Memorial Ground on 23 December 1899 was abandoned after 69 minutes due to smog, with Millwall leading 2–0. Bizarrely, instead of replaying the game, the remaining 21 minutes were tagged on to the return fixture four months later, on 28 April 1900. After completing the return fixture which Thames Ironworks won 1–0, the players took a short rest and proceeded to play the rest of the abandoned game, with no further score. On 17 September 1906 in a Western League game, a particularly ferocious encounter saw one player hurled against a metal advertising board and others were stretchered off following heavy tackles. The East Ham Echo reported: "From the very first kick of the ball it was seen likely to be some trouble, but the storm burst when Dean and Jarvis came into collision (Millwall had two players sent off during the match). This aroused considerable excitement among the spectators. The crowds on the bank having caught the fever, free fights were plentiful."[12]
In 1926 a general strike was observed by workers around the Royal Docks, who were mainly West Ham supporters, but the Millwall-supporting shipyard workers of the Isle of Dogs refused to lend their support, provoking outrage.[13] This inspiration for the rivalry has never been confirmed though,[14] and may be an urban legend, with conflicting reports of it happening in 1912.[15] The story may also be a re-hashing of a similar incident in the history of the South Coast derby, where supporters from Portsmouth and Southampton clashed over crossed picket lines.[15]
In 1972, a testimonial match for Millwall defender Harry Cripps was marred by intense fighting between the two club's hooligan firms.
Four years later, a Millwall supporter, Ian Pratt, died at New Cross railway station[16] after falling out of a train during a fight with some West Ham fans. Leaflets were later distributed at Millwall's home matches bearing the words: "A West Ham fan must die to avenge him".[13]
On 15 May 2011, West Ham were relegated from the Premier League after a 3–2 defeat at Wigan. Their relegation meant they would meet Millwall in the 2011–12 Football League Championship as Millwall had been promoted in English football's second tier the previous season. As Wigan equalised at 2–2, a light aircraft flew above the stadium trailing a banner which read 'Avram Grant – Millwall Legend'.[17][18] The plane had been hired by Millwall supporters from the fans' website House of Fun, celebrating manager Grant's failure to prevent West Ham's relegation and thus reigniting the rivalry once more.[19]
"This inspiration for the rivalry has never been confirmed though,[14] and may be an urban legend, with conflicting reports of it happening in 1912.[15] The story may also be a re-hashing of a similar incident in the history of the South Coast derby, where supporters from Portsmouth and Southampton clashed over crossed picket lines.[15]"
Is there any evidence from 1926 (and other Spanner sites name a different dock strike) or before 1980s.
I've been to Millwall-West Ham and I have to say the atmosphere would make our encounter at The Den in December last year look like a teddy bear's picnic.
Chris Powell was playing in that game and got all sorts of abuse everytime he tried to collect the ball for throw ins.
Just a thought .... what if Millwall' s move from the Isle of Dogs in 1910 was delayed to 1913 - they would have found a ready-made football stadium in Plumstead empty and available, after Woolwich Arsenal moved away to Highbury. Would life under the open skies of SE18 have been a more civilised and calming affair than the feverish surroundings of New Cross/Bermondsey ? Would Charlton have ever been able to get established in the area - they struggled in the twenties as it was (think of the failed move to Catford). Would we have all ended up as Millwall fans, albeit with a Charlton reputation .... ?
Just a thought .... what if Millwall' s move from the Isle of Dogs in 1910 was delayed to 1913 - they would have found a ready-made football stadium in Plumstead empty and available, after Woolwich Arsenal moved away to Highbury. Would life under the open skies of SE18 have been a more civilised and calming affair than the feverish surroundings of New Cross/Bermondsey ? Would Charlton have ever been able to get established in the area - they struggled in the twenties as it was (think of the failed move to Catford). Would we have all ended up as Millwall fans, albeit with a Charlton reputation .... ?
Feck me. You should think of writing a few horror movie scripts.
Steve Lomas says he is already planning for the new season after accepting the Millwall manager's job offer once he returns from holiday next week.
Lomas leaves a successful 18-month spell in Perth and the Scottish Premier League with St Johnstone to take over at The Den.
Speaking about his new position, he said: "This is a really exciting challenge for me and I can't wait to get stuck into it.
"I know Millwall well as a club. It has a great set up and passionate loyal fans who, if we can get them on our side, particularly at The Den, will be a real asset to us.
"There is already a nucleus of a good squad there, with the likes of David Forde, Paul Robinson, Alan Dunne, Danny Shittu and Jimmy Abdou, proper players and good characters, and those are the sort of people we need and the Millwall fans respond to.
"I know there is a good group, but we will need to add four or five, particularly in attacking areas and then I think we'll be ready to give it a real go. In making signings I will be looking for character and the right type of player as well as ability.
"The Championship is a great league, exciting, very competitive, passionate, full-on and while we'll be underdogs against many of the clubs we face, that's the way I like it.
"Our first priority is to turn the recent home form around. I found the same when I arrived at St Johnstone - good away, less so at home and we worked to get that right. That's my number one goal again now.
"Millwall is a family club, a working class club whose fans hold it very dear to their hearts. I've already been asked, what's an ex-Hammer doing managing them, then?
"The answer is that I was a council estate kid, I love a challenge, I like hard work and I understand the fans who work hard all week and come to see Millwall on a Saturday expecting to see their team play with pride and passion.
Sensible words from Lomas. Hope he falls on his arse but sensible words nonetheless.
"The answer is that I was a council estate kid, I love a challenge, I like hard work and I understand the fans who work hard all week and come to see Millwall on a Saturday expecting to see their team play with pride and passion."
'Proper Wall' will automatically love this bloke now, braindeads.
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Jackett was good but not exactly the messiah. Not sure how Lomas will fair but with a decent track record, it would be silly to write him off.
They'd still be moaning if it was Alan Curbishley.
They hate each other...and I really mean hate each other. Both clubs have heavy elements within their support that would love nothing more than to be allowed to kick seven bells out of each other. The Police have an absolute 'mare whenever the two teams meet and the clubs themselves dread it for obvious reasons.
We call Palace the `Nigels' and they call us `Trainspotters/Clowns'. Millwall/West Ham refer to each other as the rats/vermin/poison/scum etc....much more intense. How you can describe their rivalry as a joke is ridiculous.
I suspect the `81' in your name indicates your year of birth so maybe you're too young and not aware of when the bitter rivalry started between 'em and its background.
Millsmall
Chelsea
Tottenham
The chelsea and tottenham are on a par
Anyone who says westjam hate spurs more than millwall
Do not know their history and should be poked with a stick
Their rivalry goes back to the London Docks and allegedly some Labour disputes when the Milwall docks carried on working whilst the West Ham docks were on strike.
This seems to have been forgotten about until the 70's and the next big claim to close rivalry is really concerning hooliganism surprise suprise.Wiki has an entry 'East London derby'about it.
Its a violent fixture and always has been its a cracking fixture to attend if you enjoy the edgy spicy side of football culuture as a nuetral
Not glorifying the hooliganism but the tension and hate at these games bring spice and atmosphere which we very rarely have st the valley
99% of West ham fans do not know why they hâte them. I hear a lot more anti spurs stuff than anything nowa days.
A has been hooligan rivalry so stuck in the past its embarrassing. Millwall thinks it Makes them à bigger club, not quite sure what's in it for west ham.
There are no records of this dispute being the reason from before the 80s when suddenly every other spanner had heard it from some old relative. Just another Millwall myth.
The fixture between Millwall and West Ham has always been a fierce encounter, from the first ever meeting between the clubs, a friendly on 23 September 1897 which the newly-formed Thames Ironworks (which later became West Ham United) lost 2–0.
Millwall was formed in 1885 by tinsmiths at JT Morton's canned food factory on the Isle of Dogs. Ten years later, a foreman at Thames Ironworks, London's last major shipbuilding firm, decided to form a football team to improve the morale of his workers. With each set of players and supporters working for opposing firms, vying for the same contracts, rivalries were instigated and they intensified.
The second meeting between the sides was a Southern League match that became the game that spanned two centuries. The fixture at Thames Ironworks' Memorial Ground on 23 December 1899 was abandoned after 69 minutes due to smog, with Millwall leading 2–0. Bizarrely, instead of replaying the game, the remaining 21 minutes were tagged on to the return fixture four months later, on 28 April 1900. After completing the return fixture which Thames Ironworks won 1–0, the players took a short rest and proceeded to play the rest of the abandoned game, with no further score.
On 17 September 1906 in a Western League game, a particularly ferocious encounter saw one player hurled against a metal advertising board and others were stretchered off following heavy tackles. The East Ham Echo reported: "From the very first kick of the ball it was seen likely to be some trouble, but the storm burst when Dean and Jarvis came into collision (Millwall had two players sent off during the match). This aroused considerable excitement among the spectators. The crowds on the bank having caught the fever, free fights were plentiful."[12]
In 1926 a general strike was observed by workers around the Royal Docks, who were mainly West Ham supporters, but the Millwall-supporting shipyard workers of the Isle of Dogs refused to lend their support, provoking outrage.[13] This inspiration for the rivalry has never been confirmed though,[14] and may be an urban legend, with conflicting reports of it happening in 1912.[15] The story may also be a re-hashing of a similar incident in the history of the South Coast derby, where supporters from Portsmouth and Southampton clashed over crossed picket lines.[15]
In 1972, a testimonial match for Millwall defender Harry Cripps was marred by intense fighting between the two club's hooligan firms.
Four years later, a Millwall supporter, Ian Pratt, died at New Cross railway station[16] after falling out of a train during a fight with some West Ham fans. Leaflets were later distributed at Millwall's home matches bearing the words: "A West Ham fan must die to avenge him".[13]
On 15 May 2011, West Ham were relegated from the Premier League after a 3–2 defeat at Wigan. Their relegation meant they would meet Millwall in the 2011–12 Football League Championship as Millwall had been promoted in English football's second tier the previous season. As Wigan equalised at 2–2, a light aircraft flew above the stadium trailing a banner which read 'Avram Grant – Millwall Legend'.[17][18] The plane had been hired by Millwall supporters from the fans' website House of Fun, celebrating manager Grant's failure to prevent West Ham's relegation and thus reigniting the rivalry once more.[19]
That was written long after the 80s.
Even wiki, the most unreliable source says:
"This inspiration for the rivalry has never been confirmed though,[14] and may be an urban legend, with conflicting reports of it happening in 1912.[15] The story may also be a re-hashing of a similar incident in the history of the South Coast derby, where supporters from Portsmouth and Southampton clashed over crossed picket lines.[15]"
Is there any evidence from 1926 (and other Spanner sites name a different dock strike) or before 1980s.
Chris Powell was playing in that game and got all sorts of abuse everytime he tried to collect the ball for throw ins.
Lomas leaves a successful 18-month spell in Perth and the Scottish Premier League with St Johnstone to take over at The Den.
Speaking about his new position, he said: "This is a really exciting challenge for me and I can't wait to get stuck into it.
"I know Millwall well as a club. It has a great set up and passionate loyal fans who, if we can get them on our side, particularly at The Den, will be a real asset to us.
"There is already a nucleus of a good squad there, with the likes of David Forde, Paul Robinson, Alan Dunne, Danny Shittu and Jimmy Abdou, proper players and good characters, and those are the sort of people we need and the Millwall fans respond to.
"I know there is a good group, but we will need to add four or five, particularly in attacking areas and then I think we'll be ready to give it a real go. In making signings I will be looking for character and the right type of player as well as ability.
"The Championship is a great league, exciting, very competitive, passionate, full-on and while we'll be underdogs against many of the clubs we face, that's the way I like it.
"Our first priority is to turn the recent home form around. I found the same when I arrived at St Johnstone - good away, less so at home and we worked to get that right. That's my number one goal again now.
"Millwall is a family club, a working class club whose fans hold it very dear to their hearts. I've already been asked, what's an ex-Hammer doing managing them, then?
"The answer is that I was a council estate kid, I love a challenge, I like hard work and I understand the fans who work hard all week and come to see Millwall on a Saturday expecting to see their team play with pride and passion.
Sensible words from Lomas. Hope he falls on his arse but sensible words nonetheless.
'Proper Wall' will automatically love this bloke now, braindeads.
Ya sister is ya muva
In that pic
in the same sentence.
Sounds like he'll do well.
If they sign the 5 players he states and we don't sign anyone then I'll be "to The Den" next season. You watch me.
Little Muggy Pricks (to coin a popular phrase)