The representative of the City till I die campaign was claiming on the radio last night that Allam has admitted that his has done zero research into the idea or the business benefits of changing the name.
The name change is now being considered by the FA with Allam threatening to pull out if he is not allowed to change the name.
While I think the idea of changing the name is silly and pointless but what does it have to do with the FA?
If a Club wants to change it's name then why should the FA have a sanction?
Clapton/Leyton Orient Swansea Town/City
Unless it is offensive or illegal why should the FA have the power stop a club renaming themselves?
The representative of the City till I die campaign was claiming on the radio last night that Allam has admitted that his has done zero research into the idea or the business benefits of changing the name.
The name change is now being considered by the FA with Allam threatening to pull out if he is not allowed to change the name.
While I think the idea of changing the name is silly and pointless but what does it have to do with the FA?
If a Club wants to change it's name then why should the FA have a sanction?
Clapton/Leyton Orient Swansea Town/City
Unless it is offensive or illegal why should the FA have the power stop a club renaming themselves?
I'm assuming one reason is because any change in name leads to a whole headache with membership, administration etc.
I don't know the exact reasoning but I think its a good thing that they do have to go through the FA. I wish they could do more to stop such idiots coming into the English game in the first place.
I'm not sure that the owner sees Hull City fans as the main consumers. It would seem the overseas market is more important. I wouldn't be happy with our new owner changing our name to the Charlton Swords so we could sell Charlton vests and pj sets in downtown Mumbai.
I'm not sure that the owner sees Hull City fans as the main consumers. It would seem the overseas market is more important. I wouldn't be happy with our new owner changing our name to the Charlton Swords so we could sell Charlton vests and pj sets in downtown Mumbai.
Neither would I but does it have anything to do with the FA.
If it is trying to con people ie calling the club Madchester United but otherwise why is it their business especially as they are happy to allow West Ham to move into Orient's patch.
I'm not sure that the owner sees Hull City fans as the main consumers. It would seem the overseas market is more important. I wouldn't be happy with our new owner changing our name to the Charlton Swords so we could sell Charlton vests and pj sets in downtown Mumbai.
Neither would I but does it have anything to do with the FA.
If it is trying to con people ie calling the club Madchester United but otherwise why is it their business especially as they are happy to allow West Ham to move into Orient's patch.
Maybe it's a way to show you that they have the ultimate power in deciding everything.....
Rugby clubs and cricket counties have changed names/invented brand names for different competitions .. Most Hull fans are probably not fussed so long as the club is successful .. It's probably a case of the vociferous objectors trying to get their own way .. the tail trying to wag the dog .. as for the FA .. it can 'interfere' with clubs administration if the actions of the owners are bringing the game into disrepute .. given all the dodgy characters who have come into English football over the past few years, one would think that the FA had more things to worry about than the desire of a man to change the name of the club he owns in a very inoffensive way .. Hull City Tigers sounds OK to me ... How many people call the Tottenham club 'The Spurs' rather than the 'official name' .. if you get my drift
What is the most recent example of a name change you can think of? I can only think of Orient switching back and forwards with the Leyton bit, and Swansea changing from Town to City, in my lifetime, and I'm getting on a bit.
I can remember a few tinkerings with names - Bournemouth & Boscombe Athletic became AFC Bournemouth in the early seventies and Hartlepools United became Hartlepool and then Hartlepool United at around the same time. I'm sure there must be others. The most recent controversial name change in English football was probably Newcastle's ridiculous idea to change St James's Park to the Sports Direct Arena. That didn't last long. And nor, I suspect, would Hull Tigers.
@Lincsaddick That wasn't what was proposed. Allam wants to change the name to Hull Tigers thus dropping City altogether.
according to the BBC website, the FA are not going to allow the name change .. a homicide or suicide attempt ? .. Allam has put millions into the club, he may now walk away in disgust .. a case perhaps where the undue influence of a few 'diehard' fans who would rather watch 'City' in the conference than 'Tigers' in the premier has swung the FA's approval their way
@Lincsaddick That wasn't what was proposed. Allam wants to change the name to Hull Tigers thus dropping City altogether.
according to the BBC website, the FA are not going to allow the name change .. a homicide or suicide attempt ? .. Allam has put millions into the club, he may now walk away in disgust .. a case perhaps where the undue influence of a few 'diehard' fans who would rather watch 'City' in the conference than 'Tigers' in the premier has swung the FA's approval their way
It would set a dangerous precedent if they allowed the name change. Just because he's bought the club it doesn't mean he can do what he wants.
@Lincsaddick That wasn't what was proposed. Allam wants to change the name to Hull Tigers thus dropping City altogether.
according to the BBC website, the FA are not going to allow the name change .. a homicide or suicide attempt ? .. Allam has put millions into the club, he may now walk away in disgust .. a case perhaps where the undue influence of a few 'diehard' fans who would rather watch 'City' in the conference than 'Tigers' in the premier has swung the FA's approval their way
It would set a dangerous precedent if they allowed the name change. Just because he's bought the club it doesn't mean he can do what he wants.
well I would disagree with that, so long as the changes are not too fundamental and detrimental to the well being of the organisation concerned .. how many 'fit and proper persons' have bought clubs and F***ed them right up the swanee ?, but that's OK if the names remain the same ? .. any owner has a right under most circumstances to change the name of a company that he controls, so long as the majority of shareholders and companies house agree .. in this case, a separate old boys club/closed shop, the FA, has (reportedly)put a nix against the plan .. fair enough .. as stated in the previous post, Allam now has the option of withdrawing his finances and selling the club .. perhaps the 'cityites', the 'traditionalists' can stump up the cash for the purchase
A late answer to @PragueAddick, if we consider 'recent' name changes the ones that occured after WW2, apart from Orient and Swansea, Hartlepool and Bournemouth mentioned by Bill Stumps, we also have Cambridge United formerly Abbey United (1919 to 1949), Scunthorpe formerly Scunthorpe and Lindsey United (1910 to 1958) and Millwall previously Millwall ATHLETIC - of all names (1889 to 1985). Won't post the list of the name changes before WW2, too many of them (53). Since we're playing them tomorrow, Bournemouth was called Boscombe St.John's from 1890 to 1899 Boscombe from 1899 to 1923 Bournemouth & Boscombe from 1923 to 1971
A late answer to @PragueAddick, if we consider 'recent' name changes the ones that occured after WW2, apart from Orient and Swansea, Hartlepool and Bournemouth mentioned by Bill Stumps, we also have Cambridge United formerly Abbey United (1919 to 1949), Scunthorpe formerly Scunthorpe and Lindsey United (1910 to 1958) and Millwall previously Millwall ATHLETIC - of all names (1889 to 1985). Won't post the list of the name changes before WW2, too many of them (53). Since we're playing them tomorrow, Bournemouth was called Boscombe St.John's from 1890 to 1899 Boscombe from 1899 to 1923 Bournemouth & Boscombe from 1923 to 1971
Hold on - Millwall were called Millwall Athletic until 1985 ?
Why not? Because the vast majority of fans were totally against the change. What would happen if Roland decided to change us from being Charlton Athletic to Greenwich United? I think he'd be a complete mug to try!
That said, the situation with Wimbledon was different, though. That was where the club became split with one lot forming the MK Dons. This is about one club keeping the name it's had for ages and which their fans identify with.
A late answer to @PragueAddick, if we consider 'recent' name changes the ones that occured after WW2, apart from Orient and Swansea, Hartlepool and Bournemouth mentioned by Bill Stumps, we also have Cambridge United formerly Abbey United (1919 to 1949), Scunthorpe formerly Scunthorpe and Lindsey United (1910 to 1958) and Millwall previously Millwall ATHLETIC - of all names (1889 to 1985). Won't post the list of the name changes before WW2, too many of them (53). Since we're playing them tomorrow, Bournemouth was called Boscombe St.John's from 1890 to 1899 Boscombe from 1899 to 1923 Bournemouth & Boscombe from 1923 to 1971
Hold on - Millwall were called Millwall Athletic until 1985 ?
They dropped Athletic around 1920, a name they'd had since 1889. Before that they were known as Millwall rovers.
However, in 1972 they formally became known as Millwall scum..............
A late answer to @PragueAddick, if we consider 'recent' name changes the ones that occured after WW2, apart from Orient and Swansea, Hartlepool and Bournemouth mentioned by Bill Stumps, we also have Cambridge United formerly Abbey United (1919 to 1949), Scunthorpe formerly Scunthorpe and Lindsey United (1910 to 1958) and Millwall previously Millwall ATHLETIC - of all names (1889 to 1985). Won't post the list of the name changes before WW2, too many of them (53). Since we're playing them tomorrow, Bournemouth was called Boscombe St.John's from 1890 to 1899 Boscombe from 1899 to 1923 Bournemouth & Boscombe from 1923 to 1971
Hold on - Millwall were called Millwall Athletic until 1985 ?
They dropped Athletic around 1920, a name they'd had since 1889. Before that they were known as Millwall rovers.
However, in 1972 they formally became known as Millwall scum..............
The latin phrase added to the club badge in the early 80s "Nit oneov yous likius" was later made into a club anthem by adding "But we dont care"
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The name change is now being considered by the FA with Allam threatening to pull out if he is not allowed to change the name.
While I think the idea of changing the name is silly and pointless but what does it have to do with the FA?
If a Club wants to change it's name then why should the FA have a sanction?
Clapton/Leyton Orient
Swansea Town/City
Unless it is offensive or illegal why should the FA have the power stop a club renaming themselves?
I don't know the exact reasoning but I think its a good thing that they do have to go through the FA. I wish they could do more to stop such idiots coming into the English game in the first place.
If it is trying to con people ie calling the club Madchester United but otherwise why is it their business especially as they are happy to allow West Ham to move into Orient's patch.
the owner tbf listening to him and watching him in interviews seems like a real kind and genuine gentleman
but he has said, if anyone tells him he cant he will leave within 24hrs ,
does this mean he can take back the money he has put in
Hartlepool and Bournemouth mentioned by Bill Stumps, we also have Cambridge United formerly Abbey United (1919 to 1949), Scunthorpe
formerly Scunthorpe and Lindsey United (1910 to 1958) and Millwall previously Millwall ATHLETIC - of all names (1889 to 1985).
Won't post the list of the name changes before WW2, too many of them (53). Since we're playing them tomorrow, Bournemouth was called Boscombe St.John's from 1890 to 1899
Boscombe from 1899 to 1923
Bournemouth & Boscombe from 1923 to 1971
15,000 people signed the petition and they did a very professional presentation
http://www.citytillwedie.com/fa-consultation/
That said, the situation with Wimbledon was different, though. That was where the club became split with one lot forming the MK Dons. This is about one club keeping the name it's had for ages and which their fans identify with.
However, in 1972 they formally became known as Millwall scum..............
The latin phrase added to the club badge in the early 80s "Nit oneov yous likius" was later made into a club anthem by adding "But we dont care"
Bad news for Grant McCann as they want a Turkish dominated club, probably with a Turkish manager