Both Hearn & Burns have been very honest. Hope that Ricky recovers well and they honour Beltran with that re-match.
I'd be amazed if they go near Beltran again. They'll probably pick someone like Crolla instead. Although i'm not sure if he has to fight Crawford as a mandatory?
Apparently the judge that gave the 115-112 score to Burns is the same one who gave Darren Barker (who Eddie Hearn promotes) the 12th round which he never won in a million years, thus making him world champion.
Surely there has to be some sort of investigation.
I didn't see the fight but was in Glasgow on Friday night and a cab driver we had was a huge Burns fan and was going but said that he thought he'd meet his match in Beltran and thought it would need a dodgy decision to hang on to his title!
Both Hearn & Burns have been very honest. Hope that Ricky recovers well and they honour Beltran with that re-match.
I'd be amazed if they go near Beltran again. They'll probably pick someone like Crolla instead. Although i'm not sure if he has to fight Crawford as a mandatory?
Apparently the judge that gave the 115-112 score to Burns is the same one who gave Darren Barker (who Eddie Hearn promotes) the 12th round which he never won in a million years, thus making him world champion.
Surely there has to be some sort of investigation.
If the boxing commission had any credibility at all, they'd order a rematch between the two once Burns has healed.
Barry Hearn @BarryHearn 6h we all agree that Beltran won the fight. However the judges gave their decision and that's how boxing is. We all think a rematch is right.
Barry Hearn @BarryHearn 8h Two things. Firstly lets hope Ricky recovers from his terrible injury. Then let Beltran have another chance. Seems fair to me.
I'd imagine its results like this and the obvious levels of corruption within the sport that is helping MMA become more popular than boxing. Can see it overtaking in terms of revenue / popularity within the next 5-10 years.
I'd imagine its results like this and the obvious levels of corruption within the sport that is helping MMA become more popular than boxing. Can see it overtaking in terms of revenue / popularity within the next 5-10 years.
I personally don't think that will ever happen but can see why mma fans think it will
Boxing is bent - and always has been. How can it not be with the characters that surround/run/promote it?
However, anyone suspecting that MMA will ever overtake it in popularity is deluding themselves. Boxing at it's best is pure theatre. MMA at it's best is one up from blokes chucking tables through windows and glassing each other...
Whilst corruption has always been there with boxing it doesn't often rear it's head like Saturday night. Watch the malignaggi v broner fight and tell me broner won that, and if you think he did was it by as wide a margin as one of the judges had it
Mma v boxing is another argument totally and it will be decades before that gets near boxing in Britain. Nolly has it right in his post
Hearn was on TalkSport this morning and reiterated that a rematch is what's needed. Didn't see the fight, kudos to Burns for carrying on - must have been excrutiating to take even a jab - but sounds like the dodgiest of decisions.
115-112 is the fair result Beltran was so professional in his dismantling of Burns once he realised Burns refused to get close to fight as his jaw was killing him
anyone who can last 12 with an injury gained inside 6 mins is a warrior a super human but no one is talking about it as the result was so wrong,
and those saying Boxing Fixed Never !!!! yes everyone knows in certain countries and certain states you need a KO as a challenger and no that is not right and never has been, but most of those fights are close and there is an element doubt and a split decision amongst fans and journos and judges, but this was not the case, if anyone saw it and thought Burns won then they turned the tv off after rd 2 or they watched rd 11 and 12 and even those last 2 rds although close Beltran won them
the result was not in doubt, the crowd was partisan it was a home crowd at its best but they knew and their reaction was spot on, Like all good fans boxing fans are knowledgeable about their sport, they are amazingly gracious to the losing boxer In the majority of fights
but we don't like to see things like that happen, these 2 men put their lives on the line, ultimately they are willing to die for the sport and its followers and yes they can earn huge money in doing so, Beltran has been Pacmans sparring partner for ages, he aint a top earner he aint the millionaire boxer like, Khan, Mayweather, Pacman etc , nor is Burns to be fair but that makes this decision so bad , he put it all there for ultimately nothing
mma in uk is at the troxy the top fighters luck to get a couple of grand, meanwhile in boxing a domestic dust up between haye v fury is a sell out and they are both getting paid about 300 times more than any uk cage fighter, in america for all its effort mma get paid a small fraction what mayweather will be getting this sat. Boxing is thriving and mma seems to have not pushed on
Boxing is bent - and always has been. How can it not be with the characters that surround/run/promote it?
However, anyone suspecting that MMA will ever overtake it in popularity is deluding themselves. Boxing at it's best is pure theatre. MMA at it's best is one up from blokes chucking tables through windows and glassing each other...
There should be at least some kind of punishment given to judges that are so obviously taking bribes/preferring British fighters. Anyone able to score that fight for Burns was either on the payroll or blind.
Boxing is the chequers to MMA's chess. If Sky Sports was to start showing UFC things would change. I don't watch UFC due to it being on ESPN but the last show (sold out, natch) at London had 4 Brits winning the first 6 fights and a $50k prize for the best knockout, fight out the night etc. When things like this and Mayweather not fighting Pacquiao happening the casual fan could be attracted by MMA, but that's not going to happen with out a proper TV deal. IMO.
There should be at least some kind of punishment given to judges that are so obviously taking bribes/preferring British fighters. Anyone able to score that fight for Burns was either on the payroll or blind.
This. Some sports, like football, you can forgive a referee making the wrong decision as it's a split second thing, with no replays and people can make genuine mistakes. But when you're sitting at ringside for 12 rounds and manage to come up with a decision that literally no other person came up with then you're either corrupt or incompetent. In either case, you have no place at ringside!
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I'd be amazed if they go near Beltran again. They'll probably pick someone like Crolla instead. Although i'm not sure if he has to fight Crawford as a mandatory?
Apparently the judge that gave the 115-112 score to Burns is the same one who gave Darren Barker (who Eddie Hearn promotes) the 12th round which he never won in a million years, thus making him world champion.
Surely there has to be some sort of investigation.
Barry Hearn @BarryHearn 6h
we all agree that Beltran won the fight. However the judges gave their decision and that's how boxing is. We all think a rematch is right.
Barry Hearn @BarryHearn 8h
Two things. Firstly lets hope Ricky recovers from his terrible injury. Then let Beltran have another chance. Seems fair to me.
However, anyone suspecting that MMA will ever overtake it in popularity is deluding themselves. Boxing at it's best is pure theatre. MMA at it's best is one up from blokes chucking tables through windows and glassing each other...
Boxing when conducted correctly is the second best sport in the world.
Mma v boxing is another argument totally and it will be decades before that gets near boxing in Britain. Nolly has it right in his post
Boxing probably has the best numbers/viewing figures/financial rewards it's had in a long time.
Mayweather is getting a record $40m+ for his fight this coming weekend.
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anyone who can last 12 with an injury gained inside 6 mins is a warrior a super human but no one is talking about it as the result was so wrong,
and those saying Boxing Fixed Never !!!! yes everyone knows in certain countries and certain states you need a KO as a challenger and no that is not right and never has been, but most of those fights are close and there is an element doubt and a split decision amongst fans and journos and judges, but this was not the case, if anyone saw it and thought Burns won then they turned the tv off after rd 2 or they watched rd 11 and 12 and even those last 2 rds although close Beltran won them
the result was not in doubt, the crowd was partisan it was a home crowd at its best but they knew and their reaction was spot on, Like all good fans boxing fans are knowledgeable about their sport, they are amazingly gracious to the losing boxer In the majority of fights
but we don't like to see things like that happen, these 2 men put their lives on the line, ultimately they are willing to die for the sport and its followers and yes they can earn huge money in doing so, Beltran has been Pacmans sparring partner for ages, he aint a top earner he aint the millionaire boxer like, Khan, Mayweather, Pacman etc , nor is Burns to be fair but that makes this decision so bad , he put it all there for ultimately nothing