So presumably Guardian media group director Grant Hoberman is one of the "self hating Jews" that Pat Condell describes?
And I guess the BBCs hatred for Jews was put on temporary hold when they appointed a certain Michael I. Grade as chairman?
So you feel the guardian and the BBC are balanced in their treatment of the subject? There were Jews involved in the nationalist socialist party, at first, in Germany. Do you think Islam is force for good then? I am not talking about in medieval times, I am talking about now.
I was just pointing out two facts that would, on the face of it, appear to fly in the face of what has been stated.
I don't read the Guardian and I have never noticed the BBC being anti-Semitic. In fact I believe a whole documentary series about the Jewish people, presented by a Jewish person recently concluded on BBC2?
No I do not think Islam is a force for good, I think all religions are ludicrous.
Agree with you that all religions are ludicrous, but that needs to be applied by certain media outlets to all religions, not just Christianity and Judaism as tends to ne the case within the 'liberal' left, who seem to afraid to criticise islam.
If Christians were running round the Middle East murdering Muslims, huh? Did you watch that Wikileaks video 'Collateral Murder'?
Let me be unambiguous. ANY sort of ideological murder is evil, whether it's wrought by NATO or Hamas. Your generalisations about Islam are little short of ignorant. Personally, I think there's plenty to be said for some of the theological and cultural aspects of Islam, especially considering certain reformist or spiritualist trends.
Those idiot or gullible enough to throw their young lives away with the false promise of virgins could well apply to the Western military, the promised virgins being the teenpop stars fetishised in the media.
Hold on, did you just compare suicide bombers to our servicemen and women?
If Christians were running round the Middle East murdering Muslims, huh? Did you watch that Wikileaks video 'Collateral Murder'?
Let me be unambiguous. ANY sort of ideological murder is evil, whether it's wrought by NATO or Hamas. Your generalisations about Islam are little short of ignorant. Personally, I think there's plenty to be said for some of the theological and cultural aspects of Islam, especially considering certain reformist or spiritualist trends.
Those idiot or gullible enough to throw their young lives away with the false promise of virgins could well apply to the Western military, the promised virgins being the teenpop stars fetishised in the media.
Hold on, did you just compare suicide bombers to our servicemen and women?
Consider it a facetious rejoinder with a serious point to make. I have nothing against individual servicepeople per se, and I respect their choice to defend their country's financial interests, but I must ask what they are fighting for. What *exactly* they are fighting for, every abstract such as 'Queen and country' considered until fully explicable (or otherwise left as an abstract, in which case fighting is an aesthetic choice & a reflection of a need for violent dominion of other peoples - perhaps innate to the human psyche - I would hope not, but -). The feelgood propaganda machine also know as the entertainment industry being a key facet of national morale & sense of wellbeing.
Most suicide bombers are so deadened to the idea of other people's lives mattering that they regard themselves as heroic martyrs. This is the result of another, more extreme and possibly more directly awful form of propaganda, but it's directly comparable to the NATO war economy.
We must view these things from every perspective. I'm happy to hear yours.
Those I know in the forces did not join to kill or maim innocent civilians, nor do they necessarily agree with the politics that leads to them being stationed abroad. They joined to earn a decent wage to support their families, and to gain qualifications they can use in life once their service has come to an end. Others want a full career in the forces, but again they have not joined for the opportunity to shoot a gun or drop a bomb.
I only know a few soldiers so I admit I cannot talk for every troop but I would suggest that none are comparable to those who strap bombs to their chest and march in to a public case with the sole purpose of murdering the innocent.
Those I know in the forces did not join to kill or maim innocent civilians, nor do they necessarily agree with the politics that leads to them being stationed abroad. They joined to earn a decent wage to support their families, and to gain qualifications they can use in life once their service has come to an end. Others want a full career in the forces, but again they have not joined for the opportunity to shoot a gun or drop a bomb.
I only know a few soldiers so I admit I cannot talk for every troop but I would suggest that none are comparable to those who strap bombs to their chest and march in to a public case with the sole purpose of murdering the innocent.
I know they want to support their families - admirable & utterly worthy of respect - and I know many servicepeople do so. I've met servicepeople who have been pleasant and ostensibly well-intentioned individuals.
Nonetheless, there are many ways to support one's family and I'm curious (not in a hostile way!) why they'd choose the armed forces. I know CL has servicepeople as active posters - I'd be happy to engage with them.
The strongest justification I can see for joining the Services, as far as I can see, is to protect the UK from terror cells. But then, I ask, are there not other ways to challenge Al-Qaeda's activities that don't involved armed invasions and drone strikes - right up to the adoption of a foreign policy that disincentivises terror recruitment? Is there not a vicious circle at play here? I would also ask what sort of domestic terror hazard there really is (based on demonstrable evidence, please!), and whether it isn't more a matter for the police force.
I personally wish the UK forces would aspire to, say, act as a peacekeeping force in the humanitarian clusterf**k that is central Africa. No money there, though. (Well, until they hit oil in the Congo. Then, let the games begin...)
comparing our soldiers with those who shoot and blow up civilians in shopping centres, tells its own story really, this is seriously what some people believe, will mention it to my brother that he is like a suicide bomber next time I see him.
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Most suicide bombers are so deadened to the idea of other people's lives mattering that they regard themselves as heroic martyrs. This is the result of another, more extreme and possibly more directly awful form of propaganda, but it's directly comparable to the NATO war economy.
We must view these things from every perspective. I'm happy to hear yours.
Oh, and 'our' servicepeople? In whose name...
I only know a few soldiers so I admit I cannot talk for every troop but I would suggest that none are comparable to those who strap bombs to their chest and march in to a public case with the sole purpose of murdering the innocent.
2billion % this
all of you on here you are all right both sides of the argument no one is wrong
= war over
;-)
Nonetheless, there are many ways to support one's family and I'm curious (not in a hostile way!) why they'd choose the armed forces. I know CL has servicepeople as active posters - I'd be happy to engage with them.
The strongest justification I can see for joining the Services, as far as I can see, is to protect the UK from terror cells. But then, I ask, are there not other ways to challenge Al-Qaeda's activities that don't involved armed invasions and drone strikes - right up to the adoption of a foreign policy that disincentivises terror recruitment? Is there not a vicious circle at play here? I would also ask what sort of domestic terror hazard there really is (based on demonstrable evidence, please!), and whether it isn't more a matter for the police force.
I personally wish the UK forces would aspire to, say, act as a peacekeeping force in the humanitarian clusterf**k that is central Africa. No money there, though. (Well, until they hit oil in the Congo. Then, let the games begin...)
comparing our soldiers with those who shoot and blow up civilians in shopping centres, tells its own story really, this is seriously what some people believe, will mention it to my brother that he is like a suicide bomber next time I see him.