Subbed. Not only for the lad's health, which is of course the key concern, but because he's an important asset for the club and you would have thought they'd have wanted him to be given the once over properly and right away.
There was a very interesting interview on TalkSport last night with the Sky Sport NFL correspondent.
They also mentioned what rugby do, in that any player suspected of receiving a head injury has to go off for 5 minutes to get checked out by a doctor who has final say on whether they can return to the game or not.
The problem with that is that all footballers, coaches and managers are cheating bastards. In rugby a blood replacement goes on for those 5 mins so the team isn't disadvantaged and when the decision is made by the doctor either the player returns or the blood replacement stays on, assuming the team has enough substitutions left, otherwise the replacement comes off and the team are a man down.
Obviously in football that wouldn't work, teams would simply instruct players to hold their heads to they could get an extra striker on for a free kick, etc.
In football you'd have to disadvantage the injured team by forcing them to play with a man down for those 5 mins. The benefit would be that players might stop clutching their face when an opponent clips their ankle if they know they'd then have to sit out 5 mins.
And the rugby rule was abused in bloodgate by quins. At least those involved got lengthy bans ..and even more apt, the cheating git missed the kick i believe
And the rugby rule was abused in bloodgate by quins. At least those involved got lengthy bans ..and even more apt, the cheating git missed the kick i believe
I remember Dean Richards saying words to the effect that his only regret on that matter was that Tom WIlliams was such a prat that he couldn't even do it properly.
Very interesting read. Someone mentioned the NFL earlier and there's quite alot in the article about how their attitudes are changing and indeed how they recently settled a very large (nearly £500m) claim by players regarding the dangers of head injuries.
Also a link in that article to similar finding amongst wrestlers, citing the case of Chris Benoit, who people may remember murdered his wife and child and killed himself a few years back. At the time it was thought to be 'roid rage but new tests show that Benoit's brain was so severely damaged it resembled the brain of an 85-year-old Alzheimer's patient.
It's a man's game, get on with it. THIS No one knows better than the person who's on the receiving end if he's okay to continue.
Yeah, cos a man who is probably concussed and possibly suffering from serious internal bleeding is guaranteed to give a sensible and informed opinion on his own condition.
If a player is concussed he is not allowed to play in the following game, so it stands to reason, he shouldn't be able to play in the game he was concussed in. Very poor call from Spurs and I would expect them to get a heavy fine!
'FIFA's chief medical officer, professor Jiri Dvorak, said if there is any doubt about concussion then the player should be removed from the field of play.
Dvorak said there was a "99 per cent probability" that Lloris would have been concussed - and pointed out that Everton striker Lukaku needed an ice-pack on his knee afterwards.
"The player should have been substituted," Dvorak told Press Association Sport. "The fact the other player needed ice on his knee means it's obvious the blow was extensive.
"It's a 99 per cent probability that losing consciousness in such an event will result in concussion."
Dvorak added that the player's view should not be taken into account in such situations.
He said: "When he has been knocked unconscious, the player himself may not see the reality'.
It's a man's game, get on with it. THIS No one knows better than the person who's on the receiving end if he's okay to continue.
Yeah, cos a man who is probably concussed and possibly suffering from serious internal bleeding is guaranteed to give a sensible and informed opinion on his own condition.
It's a man's game, get on with it. THIS No one knows better than the person who's on the receiving end if he's okay to continue.
Contender for the daftest post of the year.
Yeah I feel really daft, bore off
At the risk of boring you further, this "mans" game you mention. Is it tougher than professional boxing ? Remind me what happens when a boxer takes a blow that puts him down on the canvas. Who steps in to decide if he is fit enough to carry on. Is it the boxer himself or a third party i.e. the referee that makes that decision ? Yep you're right it's the referee because the boxer himself cannot be assumed to be compos mentis. I think if it's good enough for pugilism to adopt then the same protection should be afforded to footballers.
It's a man's game, get on with it. THIS No one knows better than the person who's on the receiving end if he's okay to continue.
Yeah, cos a man who is probably concussed and possibly suffering from serious internal bleeding is guaranteed to give a sensible and informed opinion on his own condition.
Notice how you say probably and possibly here.
Well, as we don't know for sure let's just assume everything is okay. After all, what could possibly go wrong?
It's a man's game, get on with it. THIS No one knows better than the person who's on the receiving end if he's okay to continue.
Contender for the daftest post of the year.
Yeah I feel really daft, bore off
At the risk of boring you further, this "mans" game you mention. Is it tougher than professional boxing ? Remind me what happens when a boxer takes a blow that puts him down on the canvas. Who steps in to decide if he is fit enough to carry on. Is it the boxer himself or a third party i.e. the referee that makes that decision ? Yep you're right it's the referee because the boxer himself cannot be assumed to be compos mentis. I think if it's good enough for pugilism to adopt then the same protection should be afforded to footballers.
You can compare it to what Sport you want, end of the day Lloris said he was okay, and he is okay, so not really an issue.
It's a man's game, get on with it. THIS No one knows better than the person who's on the receiving end if he's okay to continue.
Contender for the daftest post of the year.
Yeah I feel really daft, bore off
At the risk of boring you further, this "mans" game you mention. Is it tougher than professional boxing ? Remind me what happens when a boxer takes a blow that puts him down on the canvas. Who steps in to decide if he is fit enough to carry on. Is it the boxer himself or a third party i.e. the referee that makes that decision ? Yep you're right it's the referee because the boxer himself cannot be assumed to be compos mentis. I think if it's good enough for pugilism to adopt then the same protection should be afforded to footballers.
You can compare it to what Sport you want, end of the day Lloris said he was okay, and he is okay, so not really an issue.
Are you on a wind up or are you genuinely this ignorant?
It's a man's game, get on with it. THIS No one knows better than the person who's on the receiving end if he's okay to continue.
Contender for the daftest post of the year.
Yeah I feel really daft, bore off
At the risk of boring you further, this "mans" game you mention. Is it tougher than professional boxing ? Remind me what happens when a boxer takes a blow that puts him down on the canvas. Who steps in to decide if he is fit enough to carry on. Is it the boxer himself or a third party i.e. the referee that makes that decision ? Yep you're right it's the referee because the boxer himself cannot be assumed to be compos mentis. I think if it's good enough for pugilism to adopt then the same protection should be afforded to footballers.
You can compare it to what Sport you want, end of the day Lloris said he was okay, and he is okay, so not really an issue.
Are you on a wind up or are you genuinely this ignorant?
Not sure why my opinion upsets you to be honest, but like I said, he said he was okay and is okay so what's the problem?
It's a man's game, get on with it. THIS No one knows better than the person who's on the receiving end if he's okay to continue.
Contender for the daftest post of the year.
Yeah I feel really daft, bore off
At the risk of boring you further, this "mans" game you mention. Is it tougher than professional boxing ? Remind me what happens when a boxer takes a blow that puts him down on the canvas. Who steps in to decide if he is fit enough to carry on. Is it the boxer himself or a third party i.e. the referee that makes that decision ? Yep you're right it's the referee because the boxer himself cannot be assumed to be compos mentis. I think if it's good enough for pugilism to adopt then the same protection should be afforded to footballers.
You can compare it to what Sport you want, end of the day Lloris said he was okay, and he is okay, so not really an issue.
Are you on a wind up or are you genuinely this ignorant?
Oh and also, the two medics said he was okay, the same two medics that helped save a life 2 seasons (Muamba)
It's a man's game, get on with it. THIS No one knows better than the person who's on the receiving end if he's okay to continue.
Contender for the daftest post of the year.
Yeah I feel really daft, bore off
At the risk of boring you further, this "mans" game you mention. Is it tougher than professional boxing ? Remind me what happens when a boxer takes a blow that puts him down on the canvas. Who steps in to decide if he is fit enough to carry on. Is it the boxer himself or a third party i.e. the referee that makes that decision ? Yep you're right it's the referee because the boxer himself cannot be assumed to be compos mentis. I think if it's good enough for pugilism to adopt then the same protection should be afforded to footballers.
You can compare it to what Sport you want, end of the day Lloris said he was okay, and he is okay, so not really an issue.
Are you on a wind up or are you genuinely this ignorant?
Not sure why my opinion upsets you to be honest, but like I said, he said he was okay and is okay so what's the problem?
I'm not upset, just somewhat bemused as to how you can believe that the victim of a blow to the head should be the one who is consulted on whether he's okay to carry on. Do you believe a drunk who says he's sober?
SHG mentioned the boxing example and stilladdicted previously quoted FIFA's Chief Medical Officer who said there was a "99 per cent probability" that Lloris would have been concussed, that "the player's view should not be taken into account in such situations" and that "When he has been knocked unconscious, the player himself may not see the reality". This is a position also held in many other sports and it is frankly ridiculous to say "Well he said he was okay".
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They also mentioned what rugby do, in that any player suspected of receiving a head injury has to go off for 5 minutes to get checked out by a doctor who has final say on whether they can return to the game or not.
The problem with that is that all footballers, coaches and managers are cheating bastards. In rugby a blood replacement goes on for those 5 mins so the team isn't disadvantaged and when the decision is made by the doctor either the player returns or the blood replacement stays on, assuming the team has enough substitutions left, otherwise the replacement comes off and the team are a man down.
Obviously in football that wouldn't work, teams would simply instruct players to hold their heads to they could get an extra striker on for a free kick, etc.
In football you'd have to disadvantage the injured team by forcing them to play with a man down for those 5 mins. The benefit would be that players might stop clutching their face when an opponent clips their ankle if they know they'd then have to sit out 5 mins.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/24765650
Also a link in that article to similar finding amongst wrestlers, citing the case of Chris Benoit, who people may remember murdered his wife and child and killed himself a few years back. At the time it was thought to be 'roid rage but new tests show that Benoit's brain was so severely damaged it resembled the brain of an 85-year-old Alzheimer's patient.
No one knows better than the person who's on the receiving end if he's okay to continue.
Dvorak said there was a "99 per cent probability" that Lloris would have been concussed - and pointed out that Everton striker Lukaku needed an ice-pack on his knee afterwards.
"The player should have been substituted," Dvorak told Press Association Sport. "The fact the other player needed ice on his knee means it's obvious the blow was extensive.
"It's a 99 per cent probability that losing consciousness in such an event will result in concussion."
Dvorak added that the player's view should not be taken into account in such situations.
He said: "When he has been knocked unconscious, the player himself may not see the reality'.
Had Lloris let one in, the manager would've been slated.
Maybe they should make a special rule for the reserve keeper to be able to come on.
AVB saying decision was correct, people getting involved who do not know what they are talking about?
SHG mentioned the boxing example and stilladdicted previously quoted FIFA's Chief Medical Officer who said there was a "99 per cent probability" that Lloris would have been concussed, that "the player's view should not be taken into account in such situations" and that "When he has been knocked unconscious, the player himself may not see the reality". This is a position also held in many other sports and it is frankly ridiculous to say "Well he said he was okay".