I always wondered why the Government didn't reverse the choice and make a 'Yes' vote a 'yes' to stay as part of the UK and 'No' a vote for Scotland to leave. Any expert psychologists out there?
Nigel Farage was making sense this morning when he pointed out that you cannot claim independence if you are a part of the European Union. Have you all bought your powerful Vacuum Cleaners yet ?
Nigel Farage was making sense this morning when he pointed out that you cannot claim independence if you are a part of the European Union. Have you all bought your powerful Vacuum Cleaners yet ?
I always wondered why the Government didn't reverse the choice and make a 'Yes' vote a 'yes' to stay as part of the UK and 'No' a vote for Scotland to leave. Any expert psychologists out there?
Didn't the SNP get to decide how the question was worded?
If I were a canny Scot, I think I'd be telling the pollsters yes, to see what concessions can be dragged out of the Tories, regardless of how I would actually vote. I still think they will vote no.
se9addickMember That really doesn't make any sense at all.
It will when you try to buy a powerful Kettle ! ( Now I have really confused you ) The European Union is banning the purchase of powerful electrical equipment in the future, in other words taking away your independence of choice.
se9addickMember That really doesn't make any sense at all.
It will when you try to buy a powerful Kettle ! ( Now I have really confused you ) The European Union is banning the purchase of powerful electrical equipment in the future, in other words taking away your independence of choice.
se9addickMember That really doesn't make any sense at all.
It will when you try to buy a powerful Kettle ! ( Now I have really confused you ) The European Union is banning the purchase of powerful electrical equipment in the future, in other words taking away your independence of choice.
se9addickMember That really doesn't make any sense at all.
It will when you try to buy a powerful Kettle ! ( Now I have really confused you ) The European Union is banning the purchase of powerful electrical equipment in the future, in other words taking away your independence of choice.
Thats one eu law that doesn't matter. Womens gagets.
se9addickMember That really doesn't make any sense at all.
It will when you try to buy a powerful Kettle ! ( Now I have really confused you ) The European Union is banning the purchase of powerful electrical equipment in the future, in other words taking away your independence of choice.
Nigel Farage was making sense this morning when he pointed out that you cannot claim independence if you are a part of the European Union. Have you all bought your powerful Vacuum Cleaners yet ?
"Independence" is surely the wrong word to be using in the case of Scotland. It is a word loaded with connotations of freedom won from an occupying force. Britain gave independence to countries it had colonised in the days of the Empire; America won independence from its British overlords and so on. What would happen to the UK if the Scots vote yes is more of a separation or a "conscious uncoupling", to borrow Gwyneth Paltrow's phrase. Calling it "independence" simply gives strength to those who want to perpetuate the ridiculous image of the Scots as victims of English oppression.
Nigel Farage was making sense this morning when he pointed out that you cannot claim independence if you are a part of the European Union. Have you all bought your powerful Vacuum Cleaners yet ?
"Independence" is surely the wrong word to be using in the case of Scotland. It is a word loaded with connotations of freedom won from an occupying force. Britain gave independence to countries it had colonised in the days of the Empire; America won independence from its British overlords and so on. What would happen to the UK if the Scots vote yes is more of a separation or a "conscious uncoupling", to borrow Gwyneth Paltrow's phrase. Calling it "independence" simply gives strength to those who want to perpetuate the ridiculous image of the Scots as victims of English oppression.
But isn't that mainly because the whole things been so amicable ? Scotland will be gaining as much independence as the nations in your analogy just without the need for some sort of rebellion movement. This independence movement is ironically British and I think that's a credit to both sides.
I think the polls will fluctuate and only the final result will be accurate. Complete truism I know but the build up is fascinating. The idea that the PRA would allow a bank the size of RBS to "move the plaque" to the City of London but somehow allow the key functions to remain on foreign soil is laughable. I think that yes majority poll has succeeded in galvanising the no campaign and no vote. And I expect a whole series of announcements via the markets etc. particularly in the final days. Salmond complains about team Westminster, the banks, Tests... Who next? Starting to sound like the SNP vs everyone and that's bound to win votes! Salmond wants a divorce but he wants to keep a joint bank account and credit cards - no thanks!
Nigel Farage was making sense this morning when he pointed out that you cannot claim independence if you are a part of the European Union. Have you all bought your powerful Vacuum Cleaners yet ?
"Independence" is surely the wrong word to be using in the case of Scotland. It is a word loaded with connotations of freedom won from an occupying force. Britain gave independence to countries it had colonised in the days of the Empire; America won independence from its British overlords and so on. What would happen to the UK if the Scots vote yes is more of a separation or a "conscious uncoupling", to borrow Gwyneth Paltrow's phrase. Calling it "independence" simply gives strength to those who want to perpetuate the ridiculous image of the Scots as victims of English oppression.
But isn't that mainly because the whole things been so amicable ? Scotland will be gaining as much independence as the nations in your analogy just without the need for some sort of rebellion movement. This independence movement is ironically British and I think that's a credit to both sides.
It's the connotation which I find troubling. Scotland may be on the way to becoming a separate nation again. To say it is gaining independence implies that it has been in thrall to an occupying power, when it has actually been a partner in a union. I know it's not an exact analogy but if we were to leave the European Union I doubt very much that we would say that we were becoming independent; we would simply be withdrawing from the partnership. And so is Scotland (well, may be). There is a view north of the border, summarised in Trainspotting, along the lines of 'the English are just wankers but we are colonised by those wankers' (I know from working in Glasgow how anti-English sentiments in Braveheart and other films resonate with some Scots) and allowing them to declare independence gives them a fake romantic, freedom fighting aura, as if they were the nouveaux sans culottes, which neither they nor the rest of the UK, but particularly the English, deserve.
just been given a job to do in Scotland on the Thursday and Friday of next week, going out in Glasgow Thursday night should be quite enjoyable, to be there when the decision is made is always quite an attraction to the job, looking forward to it
Nigel Farage was making sense this morning when he pointed out that you cannot claim independence if you are a part of the European Union. Have you all bought your powerful Vacuum Cleaners yet ?
"Independence" is surely the wrong word to be using in the case of Scotland. It is a word loaded with connotations of freedom won from an occupying force. Britain gave independence to countries it had colonised in the days of the Empire; America won independence from its British overlords and so on. What would happen to the UK if the Scots vote yes is more of a separation or a "conscious uncoupling", to borrow Gwyneth Paltrow's phrase. Calling it "independence" simply gives strength to those who want to perpetuate the ridiculous image of the Scots as victims of English oppression.
But isn't that mainly because the whole things been so amicable ? Scotland will be gaining as much independence as the nations in your analogy just without the need for some sort of rebellion movement. This independence movement is ironically British and I think that's a credit to both sides.
It's the connotation which I find troubling. Scotland may be on the way to becoming a separate nation again. To say it is gaining independence implies that it has been in thrall to an occupying power, when it has actually been a partner in a union. I know it's not an exact analogy but if we were to leave the European Union I doubt very much that we would say that we were becoming independent; we would simply be withdrawing from the partnership. And so is Scotland (well, may be). There is a view north of the border, summarised in Trainspotting, along the lines of 'the English are just wankers but we are colonised by those wankers' (I know from working in Glasgow how anti-English sentiments in Braveheart and other films resonate with some Scots) and allowing them to declare independence gives them a fake romantic, freedom fighting aura, as if they were the nouveaux sans culottes, which neither they nor the rest of the UK, but particularly the English, deserve.
I disagree, in the correct usage of the word Scotland would literally be gaining independence. Whether that independence lives up to the connotations you've chosen to attribute to the word isn't really possible to define.
Independence is the outcome rather than the process that gets you there.
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That really doesn't make any sense at all.
It will when you try to buy a powerful Kettle ! ( Now I have really confused you ) The European Union is banning the purchase of powerful electrical equipment in the future, in other words taking away your independence of choice.
Vacuum Cleaners and other kitchen stuff.
This latest ICM poll has 17% don't know compared to YouGov's 4 or 6%, can't remember.
The idea that the PRA would allow a bank the size of RBS to "move the plaque" to the City of London but somehow allow the key functions to remain on foreign soil is laughable.
I think that yes majority poll has succeeded in galvanising the no campaign and no vote.
And I expect a whole series of announcements via the markets etc. particularly in the final days.
Salmond complains about team Westminster, the banks, Tests... Who next?
Starting to sound like the SNP vs everyone and that's bound to win votes!
Salmond wants a divorce but he wants to keep a joint bank account and credit cards - no thanks!
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/09/12/scottish-independence-jim-sillars-nationalise_n_5810496.html?icid=maing-grid7|uk|dl1|sec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D292766
Independence is the outcome rather than the process that gets you there.