Is it feasible to have a dog track around a football pitch like you get with athletics or are their circuits much shorter?
Yes. Wembley had a dog track as did Chelsea. There may be a reason why Wimbledon can't have both but it has traditionally been possible at various grounds. Suspect it may be a case that football fans want to be near the action and don't want a dog track in the way but don't know whether this is correct.
Is it feasible to have a dog track around a football pitch like you get with athletics or are their circuits much shorter?
Yes. Wembley had a dog track as did Chelsea. There may be a reason why Wimbledon can't have both but it has traditionally been possible at various grounds. Suspect it may be a case that football fans want to be near the action and don't want a dog track in the way but don't know whether this is correct.
That would surely be the best course of action then. It may not be the ideal but it must be an improvement and beter than tryng to force another local tradition out of the area.
I feel that Wimbledon FC, in moving to Milton Keynes, gave many Dons fans every reason to feel cheated and hacked off. It was probably more a case of that club giving up on its fans, rather than they giving up on it. For different reasons, some Manchester Utd fans felt the same about their club, and put their energies into establishing FC United of Manchester. In both cases, supporters voted with their feet and chanelled their frustrations into something positive. And, Chizz, please note that, not so long ago, Fulham FC left Craven Cottage to play at Loftus Rd, whilst the Cottage was to undergo construction works. Fulham fans championed the move back to the Cottage, the campaigning group responsible going on to form the Fulham Supporters' Trust.
Yes. Fulham fans - like Charlton fans - stuck with their club. "FC United " fans - like AFC Wimbledon fans - decided to walk away from their club and set up a new one.
Fulham's home is Craven Cottage. Charlton's is The Valley. FC United have played home games at Old Trafford. AFC Wimbledon have never played at Plough Lane.
You cannot conflate Charlton fans' work to return to SE7 with AFC Wimbledon's setting up of a new club.
Completely different scenarios though. We only moved to a nearby ground to share. Dons moved to a completely different part of the country, changed their name and are seen officially by the FA as a new team, not Wimbledon. If Charlton had done that then they would no longer be Charlton and I wouldn't be supporting them. As A_K said, Wimbledon fans did not abandon the club, the club abandoned them and no longer exists.
This is an interminable argument. Especially if people draw a distinction between a club abandoning its fans and fans abandoning the club. The former is what happened to Charlton; I would argue the latter is what happened to Wimbledon.
The fact of the matter is that AFC Wimbledon - like FC United fans - set up their own new club when they didn't want to fight for their old one. And fans like Charlton's, Fulham's and others fought for their club, their traditions and their rightful home.
I will always be grateful for the brilliant work done by my club's fans back in the 80s to drag Charlton home. They overcame massive odds, financial constraints, political hurdles. My club's fans worked incredibly hard, selflessly and against all odds to bring Charlton home.
I hated going to Selhurst. Wimbledon fans were much less bothered about their club leaving Selhurst than my club's fans were of going there in the first place.
Someone has come on here to ask that people sign up to support a club - born from the detritus of a horrible situation where one club was dragged out of Croydon - wants to move "home" to a place where they have never played before. I cannot bring myself to support that idea.
In my view, for what it's worth (and I am happy to accept it may be worth very little) AFC Wimbledon fans should push their club forwards, find their own feet, create their own history; and not try to shackle themselves to the history of a tawdry little club from, whose nasty, offensive, dirty players won one trophy and many enemies. Good riddance to Wimbledon FC; and good luck to AFC Wimbledon. Only, let's not marry the two together.
Nothing quite like redefining history. Whilst Wimbledon was initially 'relocated' to Milton Keynes, in effect Winkelman bought the club for the golden share and treated it as a franchise for his own purposes of establishing a football club in MK - something he wasn't prepared to do through the pyramid like, say, the original Wimbledon and AFC Wimbledon did.
That the FA approved the move effectively killed off Wimbledon, which led to AFC Wimbledon's formation in continuance of the original club. Interestingly they have subsequently changed the rules to prevent future Winkelmans doing the same thing.
Following your argument, Charlton have never won the FA Cup, since the 1984 company was formed following the dissolution of the previous one and obtaining Football League permission to retain the club's share. Had Crystal Athletic arisen in its place, played at Selhurst, yet Charlton 1984 rose up through the pyramid and sought a return to the Valley - well I'd say they had a damn sight more right to play there than Crystal Athletic.
To me, AFC Wimbledon are Charlton 1984, and fully entitled to their history. The original Wimbledon was put to death by the transfer of their share to MK Dons. The fact that MK Dons have relinquished all Wimbledon's trophies (albeit to Merton Council) and don't list any history prior to 2004 says it all for me.
No. Sheffield FC play at Dronfield just South of the city.
Sheffield has a dog track shared with the speedway (I think). It is not far from Sheff Weds, after you leave the football ground, it's on your left hand side as you go into town.
No. Sheffield FC play at Dronfield just South of the city.
Sheffield has a dog track shared with the speedway (I think). It is not far from Sheff Weds, after you leave the football ground, it's on your left hand side as you go into town.
being used by the Sheffield Eagles RL side as well this year
No. Sheffield FC play at Dronfield just South of the city.
Sheffield has a dog track shared with the speedway (I think). It is not far from Sheff Weds, after you leave the football ground, it's on your left hand side as you go into town.
being used by the Sheffield Eagles RL side as well this year
Wondered where they would end up. Not ideal but keeps them in the city, talk of a potential purpose built stadium.
I went to a greyhound meeting in Manchester a while ago, I always thought it was a southern sport.
Petition not signed, find somewhere else.
I wonder if the AFC V MK debate will go on for another 10 years? zzzzz...
IF computers/forums/websites were around in the 80's, most people might have said "I wonder if the AFC CAFC V Greenwich Council MK debate will go on for another 10 years? zzzzz..."
I got the impression that @Anna_Kissed asked people, if they wanted too, to "sign/support" a petition. Can't remember anyone asking for critizism or even to discuss it.
I went to a greyhound meeting in Manchester a while ago, I always thought it was a southern sport.
Petition not signed, find somewhere else.
I wonder if the AFC V MK debate will go on for another 10 years? zzzzz...
IF computers/forums/websites were around in the 80's, most people might have said "I wonder if the AFC CAFC V Greenwich Council MK debate will go on for another 10 years? zzzzz..."
I got the impression that @Anna_Kissed asked people, if they wanted too, to "sign/support" a petition. Can't remember anyone asking for critizism or even to discuss it.
I went to a greyhound meeting in Manchester a while ago, I always thought it was a southern sport.
Petition not signed, find somewhere else.
I wonder if the AFC V MK debate will go on for another 10 years? zzzzz...
IF computers/forums/websites were around in the 80's, most people might have said "I wonder if the AFC CAFC V Greenwich Council MK debate will go on for another 10 years? zzzzz..."
I got the impression that @Anna_Kissed asked people, if they wanted too, to "sign/support" a petition. Can't remember anyone asking for critizism or even to discuss it.
[Edit: Sorry, 3 bloody minutes to get it right !]
The post was directed at Chizz. :-)
Apologies Mr Fod. My point still stands though, was asked to support something: why discuss the right or wrongs here ? Start another thread if you don't agree.
Thanks, M.O.G. If people want to discuss the geography of greyhound stadiums, they can start a thread on the topic. This thread, as the subject heading indicates, is about the opportunity to show one's support of AFC Wimbledon. Once again, many thanks to those who have offered their support. The petition remains active. http://bringthedonshome.org/
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There may be a reason why Wimbledon can't have both but it has traditionally been possible at various grounds. Suspect it may be a case that football fans want to be near the action and don't want a dog track in the way but don't know whether this is correct.
That the FA approved the move effectively killed off Wimbledon, which led to AFC Wimbledon's formation in continuance of the original club. Interestingly they have subsequently changed the rules to prevent future Winkelmans doing the same thing.
Following your argument, Charlton have never won the FA Cup, since the 1984 company was formed following the dissolution of the previous one and obtaining Football League permission to retain the club's share. Had Crystal Athletic arisen in its place, played at Selhurst, yet Charlton 1984 rose up through the pyramid and sought a return to the Valley - well I'd say they had a damn sight more right to play there than Crystal Athletic.
To me, AFC Wimbledon are Charlton 1984, and fully entitled to their history. The original Wimbledon was put to death by the transfer of their share to MK Dons. The fact that MK Dons have relinquished all Wimbledon's trophies (albeit to Merton Council) and don't list any history prior to 2004 says it all for me.
Sheffield has a dog track shared with the speedway (I think). It is not far from Sheff Weds, after you leave the football ground, it's on your left hand side as you go into town.
Yep they are the oldest football club, FIFA have acknowledged this. When did you go to the dog track? They have been at Dronfield since 2001. Wondered where they would end up. Not ideal but keeps them in the city, talk of a potential purpose built stadium.
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I wonder if the AFC V MK debate will go on for another 10 years? zzzzz...
Thanks.
"I wonder if the
AFCCAFC V Greenwich CouncilMKdebate will go on for another 10 years? zzzzz..."I got the impression that @Anna_Kissed asked people, if they wanted too, to "sign/support" a petition. Can't remember anyone asking for critizism or even to discuss it.
[Edit: Sorry, 3 bloody minutes to get it right !]
My point still stands though, was asked to support something: why discuss the right or wrongs here ?
Start another thread if you don't agree.
;-)
If people want to discuss the geography of greyhound stadiums, they can start a thread on the topic. This thread, as the subject heading indicates, is about the opportunity to show one's support of AFC Wimbledon.
Once again, many thanks to those who have offered their support. The petition remains active. http://bringthedonshome.org/