Katrien Meire
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I make the fella right, also he was not abusive at all.
"What is going on with this club is a disgrace" says it all.
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Do you really believe that, I don't hold a position with anywhere near the seniority that KM does but I'm expected to interact with my customer whenever I meet them, this, in the past has even interrupted nights out with friends but it's part of the job and I accept that. As the CEO of a customer based company I'd expect the same from her.Dazzler21 said:
she.wasn't even at work so didn't have to answer a single question.WestCountryAddick said:Nobody was rude or threatening, stop blowing it out of proportion. The guy was a bit drunk and a bit loud
If I started shouting at my customers and crying I'd be dismissed the second my boss found out.
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Fair play to both of them.he said what we are all thinking and she stood her ground .I like her3
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thanks Bubble
agree with Boogica, and she must have expected a reaction like that with all that has gone on in the past week and then that abject display by the team.0 -
A woman will most likely see it differently and I most certainly see it as harassment, bullying also in respect of the considerable physical size difference. It is intimidating and unpleasant and reflects badly on all Charlton men, the vast majority of whom would not have behaved in that way.boogica said:
The fella did nothing wrong didn't see him being abusive or bullying , he asked her simple questions nothing wrong with that.stilladdicted said:She does have a right to be on public transport at any time without being harassed or bullied in any way. That's it, full stop, otherwise you are effectively blaming a victim for the bullying that she received. The man has to take responsibility for his own actions.
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Utterly sexist.stilladdicted said:
A woman will most likely see it differently and I most certainly see it as harassment, bullying also in respect of the considerable physical size difference. It is intimidating and unpleasant and reflects badly on all Charlton men, the vast majority of whom would not have behaved in that way.boogica said:
The fella did nothing wrong didn't see him being abusive or bullying , he asked her simple questions nothing wrong with that.stilladdicted said:She does have a right to be on public transport at any time without being harassed or bullied in any way. That's it, full stop, otherwise you are effectively blaming a victim for the bullying that she received. The man has to take responsibility for his own actions.
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Her actions this week reflect badly on all Charlton women15
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Fair play to the CEO for not hiding away in a nice car after that loss. To be honest I think I would have gone for that cosier option purely to avoid a bit of grief, but why not travel with fans, your customers, admirable in its way.
To me it does not matter if our CEO is male or female, they presumably have the job on their own merits and abilities. They are entitled to travel around without intimidation, but they are also well able to consider their own safety and well being in such circumstances.
I really hope the CEO did not feel physically intimidated by what went on, because that is clearly not pleasant or acceptable. But I would certainly expect (and imagine )that they could handle themselves well enough in a discussion/ argument/ exchange of views, without too trouble. You do not get to be CEO without a certain resilience and resolve eh.
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See @stilladdicted's post0
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Agree with this. We moan that there's a massive disconnect between the board and the support so putting herself up to being approached outside the ground, as she has done in the past, or travelling with fans is to be welcomed and applauded.stoneroses19 said:Regarding transport, I'd say Meire can't win with (some) fans.
People saying she shouldn't be on a public train because fans are also using it, hence she apparently deserves fans looming over her without listening to her answers.
If Meire was seen getting into and being driven away in a plush, tinted windowed car, people would accuse her of being flash and having no connections with what it's like to be a fan.
That said on this occasion a wiser head may have suggested discretion was the better part of valour and to let the dust settle before putting herself in a position where she was always likely to face this type of situation. As things stand, and I haven't seen the video, the existing chasm between us and them is a little wider than it was even this time yesterday.
Sad times, given our history of engagement between the owners and supporters.2 -
What he has done is wrong and shouldn't happen. Possibly a bit naive to travel with the "fans" after a performance like that and I wouldn't be surprised if she reverts to her own vehicle now.ElfsborgAddick said:I make the fella right, also he was not abusive at all.
"What is going on with this club is a disgrace" says it all.
But I'd love to know who it was shouting " Belgian C*#€ts" because they need banning. Permanently.
And a good slap
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The guy talking to her in the video isn't actually that bad, i don't think anyone could say he overstepped the mark at all, just asking questions that everyone wants answers to.
What is out of order though, is that someone commented on the video saying that after the video stopped someone else went up to her and got right in her face and was rude to her. That's unacceptable.
Still find it remarkable she was on a train home with away fans. If she really wanted to get the train, stick around for an hour or so after the game then go, don't sit right in amongst angry fans after the past weeks debacle and a 5-0 drubbing0 -
It was just a conversation, a big lad having a conversation with a lady. Nothing intimidating, just putting his point across. And it is a point. He was no more rude than her imo. I'm sure she's very stressed at this moment in time but so are our fans, and she gets PAID for it, it's her career.. our fans are the ones PAYING for it.
Also I'm not sure I quite understand Katriens story about why she hadn't lied?3 -
She had a choice to make after watching us capitulate 5-0, it was a very brave decision to still get on that train (man or woman) knowing that she was likely to be travelling with some very irate fans.
I take my hat off to her for sticking to her decision and facing up to her responsibilities as a CEO, how many other clubs CEO's would have thought "sod that" and headed for the nearest cab office?
I still believe she played her part in RD's bulls*** based appointment process, but, then he probably pays her very well for doing so and she was following his instructions.1 -
And when she leaves Charlton she is not going to give a moments thought about the supporters.Atletico Addick said:It was just a conversation, a big lad having a conversation with a lady. Nothing intimidating, just putting his point across. And it is a point. He was no more rude than her imo. I'm sure she's very stressed at this moment in time but so are our fans, and she gets PAID for it, it's her career.. our fans are the ones PAYING for it.
Also I'm not sure I quite understand Katriens story about why she hadn't lied?0 -
The situation is intimidating on that train and was bound to be so. She created that situation by choosing to take the train in the context of recent events. It's no good other people then complaining about that on her behalf.
Given the random nature of who she was going to find herself sitting with and the huge variety of attitudes and behaviour in the crowd, she could have put herself at risk, so in my view it was foolhardy rather than brave, but mainly it was naive.
The key thing she has to do is manage the message from the club and that needs structure. It's not best done when tempers are hot from a farce like yesterday afternoon.
I don't see anything wrong with the behaviour of the questioner. It's the situation that make people feel uneasy about it. He didn't create that.
The key point she makes for me, although she doesn't finish the sentences, is that you can't just go back to what you've had in the past and that no one else wants to employ Curbs. She then goes on to say that they like Luzon, in terms, because they know him. There is a contradiction in that.
There's absolutely no way that Curbs could work with Duchatelet, but my take is that they want Luzon because he can be relied upon to accept the owner's methods. It doesn't bode well.
At some point someone needs to ask her who carried out the alleged interviews, because unless it was Roland they were clearly pointless.
I remain of the view that she is a decent person doing her best, but she is going to sink because she is not equipped or allowed to do the job.15 -
Was she supposed to get the train there and a taxi back after a bad result but the train after a good one?
Following the wise principle of hate the sin love the sinner, I admire her for often travelling the same as supporters it is an admirable quality, but I don't admire other stuff she has been a party to.
Personally I have found her to be likeable but I don't like some of the things she does or says. But being critical of her mode of travel is a bit desperate even for us.0 -
I'd suspect you're incorrect on this occasion. Meire has travelled by train to numerous away games this season, and also travels to The Valley by train.Lincsaddick said:I suspect that the train journey to and from the away game was a publicity stunt, a friendly gesture that misfired very badly. As others have said, this is not polite Belgium. This was a situation where passionate English football fans, some who'd had a few beers, had just seen their team capitulate on the field of play after weeks of turmoil and upheaval at the club they follow and said fans were eager to vent their frustrations.
Katrien was foolish to put herself in this position, IF we'd won, she would have been Ms Popularity, but we didn't, the team for which she is ostensibly responsible was dire and so was the response to her. Let that be a lesson to the owner, if he is capable of learning any lessons about English football 'culture'
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He says what we all want to say, its passionate yes, aggressive no, she needs to be held accountable for her actions. Its part and parcel of the job.2
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Do you think Richard Murray arrived on the train? It's hardly rocket science to drop her off somewhere away from the departing fans (and for all I know he offered). Or Chris Parkes?seth plum said:Was she supposed to get the train there and a taxi back after a bad result but the train after a good one?
Following the wise principle of hate the sin love the sinner, I admire her for often travelling the same as supporters it is an admirable quality, but I don't admire other stuff she has been a party to.
Personally I have found her to be likeable but I don't like some of the things she does or says. But being critical of her mode of travel is a bit desperate even for us.0 -
She must be a glutton for punishment.Airman Brown said:
Do you think Richard Murray arrived on the train? It's hardly rocket science to drop her off somewhere away from the departing fans (and for all I know he offered). Or Chris Parkes?seth plum said:Was she supposed to get the train there and a taxi back after a bad result but the train after a good one?
Following the wise principle of hate the sin love the sinner, I admire her for often travelling the same as supporters it is an admirable quality, but I don't admire other stuff she has been a party to.
Personally I have found her to be likeable but I don't like some of the things she does or says. But being critical of her mode of travel is a bit desperate even for us.0 -
Agreed, Seth - when we start criticising trains it does nothing for our hard fought for reputation.seth plum said:Was she supposed to get the train there and a taxi back after a bad result but the train after a good one?
Following the wise principle of hate the sin love the sinner, I admire her for often travelling the same as supporters it is an admirable quality, but I don't admire other stuff she has been a party to.
Personally I have found her to be likeable but I don't like some of the things she does or says. But being critical of her mode of travel is a bit desperate even for us.19 -
probably just the whole card-scanner entry methodAtletico Addick said:
Developments at the time the attendances are dropping in the hundreds weekly? Kinell..sammy391 said:Charlton Athletic Choice Tv
On Monday we will be bringing you exclusive inside info re the manager Roland really wants who will replace Luzon + intended stadium developments at The Valley #cafc0 -
I get your point about folk being circumspect, but it didn't happen and she ended up on the train. We are trainspotters after all.Airman Brown said:
Do you think Richard Murray arrived on the train? It's hardly rocket science to drop her off somewhere away from the departing fans (and for all I know he offered). Or Chris Parkes?seth plum said:Was she supposed to get the train there and a taxi back after a bad result but the train after a good one?
Following the wise principle of hate the sin love the sinner, I admire her for often travelling the same as supporters it is an admirable quality, but I don't admire other stuff she has been a party to.
Personally I have found her to be likeable but I don't like some of the things she does or says. But being critical of her mode of travel is a bit desperate even for us.
I also understand that if it was a statement of some kind, or a florid show of Chutzpa then it is unwise, but it simply seems like she took the most convenient way to travel to and from Vicarage Road.
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Not abusive at all. Just two passionate people have a bit of an argument, if that. The only thing wrong with the video is the bloke not letting her finish when she starts explaining the process of Luzon's appointment. This is what she needs to do next. Publish an honest timeline of Peeters' sacking and Luzon's appointment in The Valley Review and put it to bed.2
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personally i find the abuse of katrien to sit uncomfortably with me. Not because she's a woman, but i think it's because she's been hung out to dry by roland. He's obviously an awful person to work for and will turn his back on you at a moments notice. Katrien is a relatively young CEO in charge of a company that turnover millions of pounds a year - who would give that up? Especially in such a field that's dominated by men. That's why she hasn't resigned after being treated like poop by roland imo. He's using that as leverage.2
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I do like the way he asks a fellow fan "were you there today?"
If he could have got a word in he should have replied "No I just fancied going to Watford for a bit of shopping!"8 -
(Have not watched the video yet)
But I think, that after some thought of fear that the video would be uncomfortable viewing etc, I think, overall, what happened is a good thing.
The slight (very slight) sexism issue arising on here over this can be explained in parts.
If a drunk bald bloke that I've never met started firing questions at me on public transport when on my own (given the fact that I can handle myself) I would find it unpleasant, uncomfortable and would want him to f*ck off basically, before a possibly threatening situation occurred. Whether you are a man or women, it would not be enjoyable and does not make a difference what gender you are. You could say a women is more vulnerable in that situation, but no, I don't think so. Probably the opposite to be fair, in reality, but it is just not particularly nice to see. Considering hearing she handled herself well then that's great. She chose her travel circumstances knowing this could occur and she fought her corner like a good person and a professional , did not hide away.
If she went home in floods of tears then she is in the wrong job. She is old enough and wise enough.
From a fans thoughts and feelings towards her, this has done her favours.
I like her.1 -
Just seen it at last, it struck me that:
- it’s not abuse. he just does not understand the importance of listening to the answer
- several other fans tried to calm him down and disagreed with some of his points. Good for them.
- I greatly admire Katrien for travelling to and from games on the train.
- what a pity though that as a result she says more to a random fan than to choose to put her case for example to the Trust in a calm disciplined discussion.
There are still many questions unanswered, because he didn't ask them.18
