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Southeastern train disruption (franchise to be taken over by Govt p191)

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  • Was travelling on Southeastern yesterday and they were announcing that due to the weather on Friday 13 October trains would be subject to delays and not calling at all advertised stations.

    What's that all about? Is severe weather due today?
  • Just checked their website, its to do with higher than expected leaf-fall today!!!

    I assume its going to be windy today.
  • MrLargo said:

    Yep, completely unprepared for the meterological freak of nature known as "Autumn".

    It's bollocks. Is there any other industry in the world that wouldn't bother to invest in a solution to a problem like this.

    Tyre manufacturers and car makers invest billions looking at ways to enhance the performance of their products.

    Airlines - it takes too long to check people in, lets let them do it online.

    Shipmakers - invest millions in making their boats less likely to sink and more resilient to extreme weather.

    The UK rail network - What shall we do about this leaf problem that causes huge disruption to our services every year? Sit on our arses and count the cash. They're only our customers.


    The UK rail network is owned and run by the government - we are NOT "customers" of the government. They are literally taking us for a ride by making us think this!
  • Blimey the train spotters would be knocking one out seeing that.
  • iaitch said:

    Was travelling on Southeastern yesterday and they were announcing that due to the weather on Friday 13 October trains would be subject to delays and not calling at all advertised stations.

    What's that all about? Is severe weather due today?

    It's to do with their bullshit Autumn timetable that they openly admit is die to a few leaves on the track. It's a load of bullshit. It's just a way they can add an extra 5 mins to every journey to hide the fact their bullshit system doesn't work and their trains are always late.

    They don't reverse the changes in spring so every year your journey time gets slightly longer.
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  • I think I saw somewhere once that there is a train built to clear leaves from the lines. I think it was called a Swedish Scrubber or something similar.

    Proper train porn there.

    This is sort of true, at the design concept meeting when Anders Svensson announced his machine and introduced everyone to "Ulf Scuttler" the people in the meeting room were all too busy laughing at the name to sign it off
  • Most trains are fitted with sand boxes to overcome this problem. It's caused by the slime the leaves leave behind. Don't know why they don't/can't use them.

    But as I said, there's 68 new numbers to get.
  • The trains not calling at advertised stations "due to leaf fall" between Dartford and Gravesend are all in the middle of the day.

    By the middle of the day, loads of trains will already have travelled over the rails meaning that by this time rail adhesion should be as good as it's going to get. By definition it's the first trains of the day that , if any, will be affected.

    Presumably it's some other reason for introducing the decision to not call at stations in the middle of the day, and I don't remember this ever being done in previous years
  • They have been getting hammered on Twitter over it and yesterday changed the story to "Network Rail told us to do this" to avoid getting any more blame.
  • The trains not calling at advertised stations "due to leaf fall" between Dartford and Gravesend are all in the middle of the day.

    By the middle of the day, loads of trains will already have travelled over the rails meaning that by this time rail adhesion should be as good as it's going to get. By definition it's the first trains of the day that , if any, will be affected.

    Presumably it's some other reason for introducing the decision to not call at stations in the middle of the day, and I don't remember this ever being done in previous years

    Going back to my early days at work in the mid-80s, but does my memory serve me right that some stations were "request" and you had to pull the cord to get the driver to stop? Have it in my head that this included Deptford and Woolwich Dockyard on the Cannon Street-Dartford line.
  • iaitch said:

    Just checked their website, its to do with higher than expected leaf-fall today!!!

    I assume its going to be windy today.

    This is comical - top wind speed to day in London 13 mph and 17mph down in Hastings - the real reason is to improve punctuality figures so they can avoid a fine or lie about them in the franchise bid.
  • iaitch said:

    Was travelling on Southeastern yesterday and they were announcing that due to the weather on Friday 13 October trains would be subject to delays and not calling at all advertised stations.

    What's that all about? Is severe weather due today?

    It's to do with their bullshit Autumn timetable that they openly admit is die to a few leaves on the track. It's a load of bullshit. It's just a way they can add an extra 5 mins to every journey to hide the fact their bullshit system doesn't work and their trains are always late.

    They don't reverse the changes in spring so every year your journey time gets slightly longer.
    They are doing the same as a result of the London Bridge work - no time taken off the timetables when trains don't stop at London Bridge during the work - but the timetables for when the work is completed add time on so that they can make the additional stops at London Bridge - and of course no extra trains for Southeastern customers after the work is completed. 3 years of pain for slower train journeys - the only slime is the management of Southeastern and not the leaves on the track.
  • TelMc32 said:

    The trains not calling at advertised stations "due to leaf fall" between Dartford and Gravesend are all in the middle of the day.

    By the middle of the day, loads of trains will already have travelled over the rails meaning that by this time rail adhesion should be as good as it's going to get. By definition it's the first trains of the day that , if any, will be affected.

    Presumably it's some other reason for introducing the decision to not call at stations in the middle of the day, and I don't remember this ever being done in previous years

    Going back to my early days at work in the mid-80s, but does my memory serve me right that some stations were "request" and you had to pull the cord to get the driver to stop? Have it in my head that this included Deptford and Woolwich Dockyard on the Cannon Street-Dartford line.
    sounds like you got on normal trains that just didn't stop at certain stations and pulled the emergency cord when you wanted off.
    After the number of times I ended up in Gillingham sidings, that's a load of bollocks!! :smile:
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  • And people move to the countryside for the cheaper housing and 'quality of life'. ?..there's a reason why the houses are cheaper in SE London and out in the sticks and it can be found throughout this thread. If it hasn't got a tube station within a ten minute walk then it should come with a government health warning that travelling anywhere is going to be an expensive and shit experience and you probably will see a lot less of your home than you would like.
  • TelMc32 said:

    TelMc32 said:

    The trains not calling at advertised stations "due to leaf fall" between Dartford and Gravesend are all in the middle of the day.

    By the middle of the day, loads of trains will already have travelled over the rails meaning that by this time rail adhesion should be as good as it's going to get. By definition it's the first trains of the day that , if any, will be affected.

    Presumably it's some other reason for introducing the decision to not call at stations in the middle of the day, and I don't remember this ever being done in previous years

    Going back to my early days at work in the mid-80s, but does my memory serve me right that some stations were "request" and you had to pull the cord to get the driver to stop? Have it in my head that this included Deptford and Woolwich Dockyard on the Cannon Street-Dartford line.
    sounds like you got on normal trains that just didn't stop at certain stations and pulled the emergency cord when you wanted off.
    After the number of times I ended up in Gillingham sidings, that's a load of bollocks!! :smile:
    You do need to be awake to pull the cord.
  • No trains to Cannon Street, disruption until midday, at which point they will update the message to read "Disruption expected until 8pm".

    https://www.southeasternrailway.co.uk/travel-information/live-travel-information/service-disruption?uq=636437338446027967#INCF082A5E5208143C08FB909F2105BE857
  • MrLargo said:

    No trains to Cannon Street, disruption until midday, at which point they will update the message to read "Disruption expected until 8pm".

    https://www.southeasternrailway.co.uk/travel-information/live-travel-information/service-disruption?uq=636437338446027967#INCF082A5E5208143C08FB909F2105BE857

    Incredible.
  • Trains are now running ok, bit delayed and the odd cancellation. God knows why but this one I got on at westcombe park is 3/4 empty
  • edited October 2017
    Back to work after two weeks off. On the 0821 from Dartford that has just limped into lewisham at 0910. Joke. Yes boss, I was up in time on my first day back it’s just that the trains are fucked. Begins to wear a bit thin after a while.
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