So every player in the academy should get a contract until they are 22/23 no matter how crap they are because some scientist said so? Please come back down to earth.
players who are technically not up to scratch should be released once they're deemed not good enough. We shouldn't release players because they "arent consistent" or "aren't tall/strong/quick enough" as is consistantly the case across the country. Decision making, consistency and strength come through games and training. It's far easier for a 20 year old to learn how to make decisions under pressure and to hit the gym and eat correctly than it is to give them technique training, which should be done at a much much younger age.
Its a nice thought and in a perfect world maybe we could keep them on.
However i don't feel the modern game would allow such paitence. Our academy are producing players and giving them a chance but to every Poyet, cousins , Harriot and fox there are many, many more who won't make the grade quick enough and will be released.
Bayern Munich and Barcelona are doing pretty well with the policy i mentioned...
They can clearly afford paitence. They are european super clubs who pluck the best from around the world. Not even a comparison to 99% of other clubs.
Well, the other spanish and german sides seem to be doing the same thing as well. Put your head in the sand, fine. But this is a major issue with english football and is a big reason behind why we don't have any players who can put in that killer pass except for those that haven't sunk but swam against the current such as Gerrard and barkley and why we're terrible at keeping the ball compared to other sides. Attitudes like yours are part of the problem.
Its not my attitude. I am all up for your lets keep them until they are 22/23 to see if they are any good but in real life it is not going to happen.
The ball retention problem is something that should be addressed as soon as kids are old enough to kick a ball not between 18-23 years old.
Harriott had maybe 2-3 really fantastic games this season, luckily/unluckily they all came right at the death and are the freshest in the memory and overwrite the fact that before he hit that form he wasn't merely ineffective, he was outright poor. He's proven he has definitely got the ability but next season we will see which was the exception, and which the rule. Wingers are by nature confidence players and go through patches, but Harriott playing badly is actually to the detriment of the team for me - a lot of attacking moves break down when he's not on his game, not to mention even simple shots/passes go badly awry.
In contrast, with someone like Wilson even if his attacking contribution is not always the best, he does a lot of harrying/hustling and defensive work and his speed alone makes him someone the opposition need to keep an eye on, there is a physical aspect to Wilson's game that Harriott hasn't got, and probably never will - he's not going to get any taller, unlikely to bulk up that much and probably isn't suddenly going to find a sudden burst of extra speed from somewhere.
This isn't a Wilson vs Harriott post - both of them have strengths and weaknesses, and different roles to play - in my eyes, Wilson is a wide midfielder, and Harriott a winger, similar but not identical roles, and in an ideal world a team with the pair of them on each wing would be very hard for most Championship defences to handle, especially with Solly and Wiggins as fullbacks. Harriott has earned himself the starting position on the left next season short of a truly stellar, top notch signing - but I would definitely like a proven/experienced winger signed as a reserve option as I would not bet on Harriott maintaining form over a whole season.
Ideally, a wide left midfielder on the left in the Wilson mould and a wide fast right winger in the Harriots / other quick mould would be great. It would allow for varying strategy and emphasising defence / attack on either side. This can help with countering the strength of the opposition full backs and wingers / wide midfielders.
So every player in the academy should get a contract until they are 22/23 no matter how crap they are because some scientist said so? Please come back down to earth.
players who are technically not up to scratch should be released once they're deemed not good enough. We shouldn't release players because they "arent consistent" or "aren't tall/strong/quick enough" as is consistantly the case across the country. Decision making, consistency and strength come through games and training. It's far easier for a 20 year old to learn how to make decisions under pressure and to hit the gym and eat correctly than it is to give them technique training, which should be done at a much much younger age.
Its a nice thought and in a perfect world maybe we could keep them on.
However i don't feel the modern game would allow such paitence. Our academy are producing players and giving them a chance but to every Poyet, cousins , Harriot and fox there are many, many more who won't make the grade quick enough and will be released.
Bayern Munich and Barcelona are doing pretty well with the policy i mentioned...
They can clearly afford paitence. They are european super clubs who pluck the best from around the world. Not even a comparison to 99% of other clubs.
Well, the other spanish and german sides seem to be doing the same thing as well. Put your head in the sand, fine. But this is a major issue with english football and is a big reason behind why we don't have any players who can put in that killer pass except for those that haven't sunk but swam against the current such as Gerrard and barkley and why we're terrible at keeping the ball compared to other sides. Attitudes like yours are part of the problem.
Its not my attitude. I am all up for your lets keep them until they are 22/23 to see if they are any good but in real life it is not going to happen.
The ball retention problem is something that should be addressed as soon as kids are old enough to kick a ball not between 18-23 years old.
My point is we let the more technical players who are short and weedy go in favour of the 6'2" units 15 year olds because they're stronger, faster and taller. We then end up with a bunch of players who hoof the ball up the pitch. We don't keep on the smaller, weaker players who are technically a lot better and get them to bulk up when they've stopped growing, at around 19/20 and then judge them after a year or two. You get the occasional freak who's fast, strong and technically very good but they're very few and far between.
This view is shared by the likes of Dario Gradi who's on the FA panel, I'd trust his view over yours.
So every player in the academy should get a contract until they are 22/23 no matter how crap they are because some scientist said so? Please come back down to earth.
players who are technically not up to scratch should be released once they're deemed not good enough. We shouldn't release players because they "arent consistent" or "aren't tall/strong/quick enough" as is consistantly the case across the country. Decision making, consistency and strength come through games and training. It's far easier for a 20 year old to learn how to make decisions under pressure and to hit the gym and eat correctly than it is to give them technique training, which should be done at a much much younger age.
Its a nice thought and in a perfect world maybe we could keep them on.
However i don't feel the modern game would allow such paitence. Our academy are producing players and giving them a chance but to every Poyet, cousins , Harriot and fox there are many, many more who won't make the grade quick enough and will be released.
Bayern Munich and Barcelona are doing pretty well with the policy i mentioned...
They can clearly afford paitence. They are european super clubs who pluck the best from around the world. Not even a comparison to 99% of other clubs.
Well, the other spanish and german sides seem to be doing the same thing as well. Put your head in the sand, fine. But this is a major issue with english football and is a big reason behind why we don't have any players who can put in that killer pass except for those that haven't sunk but swam against the current such as Gerrard and barkley and why we're terrible at keeping the ball compared to other sides. Attitudes like yours are part of the problem.
Its not my attitude. I am all up for your lets keep them until they are 22/23 to see if they are any good but in real life it is not going to happen.
The ball retention problem is something that should be addressed as soon as kids are old enough to kick a ball not between 18-23 years old.
My point is we let the more technical players who are short and weedy go in favour of the 6'2" units 15 year olds because they're stronger, faster and taller. We then end up with a bunch of players who hoof the ball up the pitch. We don't keep on the smaller, weaker players who are technically a lot better and get them to bulk up when they've stopped growing, at around 19/20 and then judge them after a year or two. You get the occasional freak who's fast, strong and technically very good but they're very few and far between.
This view is shared by the likes of Dario Gradi who's on the FA panel, I'd trust his view over yours.
Dario Gradi who has produced player after player in the very English system you hate? Nice one.
Never have i said you should take my over Dario Gradi. People have different opinions, stop bitching.
So every player in the academy should get a contract until they are 22/23 no matter how crap they are because some scientist said so? Please come back down to earth.
players who are technically not up to scratch should be released once they're deemed not good enough. We shouldn't release players because they "arent consistent" or "aren't tall/strong/quick enough" as is consistantly the case across the country. Decision making, consistency and strength come through games and training. It's far easier for a 20 year old to learn how to make decisions under pressure and to hit the gym and eat correctly than it is to give them technique training, which should be done at a much much younger age.
Its a nice thought and in a perfect world maybe we could keep them on.
However i don't feel the modern game would allow such paitence. Our academy are producing players and giving them a chance but to every Poyet, cousins , Harriot and fox there are many, many more who won't make the grade quick enough and will be released.
Bayern Munich and Barcelona are doing pretty well with the policy i mentioned...
They can clearly afford paitence. They are european super clubs who pluck the best from around the world. Not even a comparison to 99% of other clubs.
Well, the other spanish and german sides seem to be doing the same thing as well. Put your head in the sand, fine. But this is a major issue with english football and is a big reason behind why we don't have any players who can put in that killer pass except for those that haven't sunk but swam against the current such as Gerrard and barkley and why we're terrible at keeping the ball compared to other sides. Attitudes like yours are part of the problem.
Its not my attitude. I am all up for your lets keep them until they are 22/23 to see if they are any good but in real life it is not going to happen.
The ball retention problem is something that should be addressed as soon as kids are old enough to kick a ball not between 18-23 years old.
My point is we let the more technical players who are short and weedy go in favour of the 6'2" units 15 year olds because they're stronger, faster and taller. We then end up with a bunch of players who hoof the ball up the pitch. We don't keep on the smaller, weaker players who are technically a lot better and get them to bulk up when they've stopped growing, at around 19/20 and then judge them after a year or two. You get the occasional freak who's fast, strong and technically very good but they're very few and far between.
This view is shared by the likes of Dario Gradi who's on the FA panel, I'd trust his view over yours.
Dario Gradi who has produced player after player in the very English system you hate? Nice one.
Never have i said you should take my over Dario Gradi. People have different opinions, stop bitching.
Crewe and Dario Gradi are probably the only club in english football my rant doesn't apply to. If you look at them, they're incredibly patient with their players. I'm not bitching, I'm saying one of the finest coaches the country's produced has this view and worked for him incredibly well at crewe. If we had 2 or 3 more clubs like crewe english football would be quite a bit better. You're saying it doesn't "work" in the modern game when i've given you example after example of where it does work very well in the modern game, and is probably the most modern part about football right now.
My point is you can't be patient with players who not good enough in the first place. You can be patient with them if they are good enough and develop. I would like to see why players are released instead of just assuming its because they aren't strong enough. I am sure clubs are a lot more astute than that.
You are basically saying we need to be giving small players a chance who have technical ability but apart from the Spanish i really can not think of a team made up of short players in the national game. It would be interesting to see average height and are English players actually stronger?
My point is you can't be patient with players who not good enough in the first place. You can be patient with them if they are good enough and develop. I would like to see why players are released instead of just assuming its because they aren't strong enough. I am sure clubs are a lot more astute than that.
erhun oztumer, of dulwich hamlet is 5'3, probably one of the most gifted footballers i've ever seen in the flesh and Charlton released him at 16 because he was too short.
My point is you can't be patient with players who not good enough in the first place. You can be patient with them if they are good enough and develop. I would like to see why players are released instead of just assuming its because they aren't strong enough. I am sure clubs are a lot more astute than that.
erhun oztumer, of dulwich hamlet is 5'3, probably one of the most gifted footballers i've ever seen in the flesh and Charlton released him at 16 because he was too short.
Its alright if he's that good he will be picked up by one of the massive foreign clubs who like short players.
My point is you can't be patient with players who not good enough in the first place. You can be patient with them if they are good enough and develop. I would like to see why players are released instead of just assuming its because they aren't strong enough. I am sure clubs are a lot more astute than that.
erhun oztumer, of dulwich hamlet is 5'3, probably one of the most gifted footballers i've ever seen in the flesh and Charlton released him at 16 because he was too short.
Blimey. If a Dulwich Hamlet player is as described, you need to get to see some Premier games.
Either that, or he will be snapped up by a top Prem side in the next few weeks.
My point is you can't be patient with players who not good enough in the first place. You can be patient with them if they are good enough and develop. I would like to see why players are released instead of just assuming its because they aren't strong enough. I am sure clubs are a lot more astute than that.
erhun oztumer, of dulwich hamlet is 5'3, probably one of the most gifted footballers i've ever seen in the flesh and Charlton released him at 16 because he was too short.
Blimey. If a Dulwich Hamlet player is as described, you need to get to see some Premier games.
Either that, or he will be snapped up by a top Prem side in the next few weeks.
haha, i don't get to see many games in the flesh as you can imagine.
But, he's quality, went on trial to burnley recently. /ackworthpost
My point is you can't be patient with players who not good enough in the first place. You can be patient with them if they are good enough and develop. I would like to see why players are released instead of just assuming its because they aren't strong enough. I am sure clubs are a lot more astute than that.
erhun oztumer, of dulwich hamlet is 5'3, probably one of the most gifted footballers i've ever seen in the flesh and Charlton released him at 16 because he was too short.
Its alright if he's that good he will be picked up by one of the massive foreign clubs who like short players.
My point is you can't be patient with players who not good enough in the first place. You can be patient with them if they are good enough and develop. I would like to see why players are released instead of just assuming its because they aren't strong enough. I am sure clubs are a lot more astute than that.
erhun oztumer, of dulwich hamlet is 5'3, probably one of the most gifted footballers i've ever seen in the flesh and Charlton released him at 16 because he was too short.
Blimey. If a Dulwich Hamlet player is as described, you need to get to see some Premier games.
Either that, or he will be snapped up by a top Prem side in the next few weeks.
haha, i don't get to see many games in the flesh as you can imagine.
But, he's quality, went on trial to burnley recently. /ackworthpost
My point is you can't be patient with players who not good enough in the first place. You can be patient with them if they are good enough and develop. I would like to see why players are released instead of just assuming its because they aren't strong enough. I am sure clubs are a lot more astute than that.
erhun oztumer, of dulwich hamlet is 5'3, probably one of the most gifted footballers i've ever seen in the flesh and Charlton released him at 16 because he was too short.
Its alright if he's that good he will be picked up by one of the massive foreign clubs who like short players.
Funny picture. Exactly what i was doing when you said that one of the most gifted technical players you had seen was at Dulwich Hamlet.
My point is you can't be patient with players who not good enough in the first place. You can be patient with them if they are good enough and develop. I would like to see why players are released instead of just assuming its because they aren't strong enough. I am sure clubs are a lot more astute than that.
erhun oztumer, of dulwich hamlet is 5'3, probably one of the most gifted footballers i've ever seen in the flesh and Charlton released him at 16 because he was too short.
Blimey. If a Dulwich Hamlet player is as described, you need to get to see some Premier games.
Either that, or he will be snapped up by a top Prem side in the next few weeks.
haha, i don't get to see many games in the flesh as you can imagine.
But, he's quality, went on trial to burnley recently. /ackworthpost
My point is you can't be patient with players who not good enough in the first place. You can be patient with them if they are good enough and develop. I would like to see why players are released instead of just assuming its because they aren't strong enough. I am sure clubs are a lot more astute than that.
erhun oztumer, of dulwich hamlet is 5'3, probably one of the most gifted footballers i've ever seen in the flesh and Charlton released him at 16 because he was too short.
Its alright if he's that good he will be picked up by one of the massive foreign clubs who like short players.
Funny picture. Exactly what i was doing when you said that one of the most gifted technical players you had seen was at Dulwich Hamlet.
ahhh yeah, sorry, forgot that all decent players must be at league clubs, i guess the likes of chris smalling were absolute dogshite until the ink fell onto his fulham contract. Your attitude, as i said before, is archaic.
Having a b team league will kill some lower league and conf clubs so in this country where football is watched obsessively from conf up it won't work
How can you play competitive games in a league but not get promoted to the same league your a club is in
In league 2 and 1 more people watch than In most other countries top leagues (except their champions league and Uefa cup teams)
VG Callum ain't thick he knows this is a big season for him and it's totally down to him , if he adds the mental toughness of being a real player to his ability he can do it
It he don't he will not succeed with us 100% that is for certain
Having a b team league will kill some lower league and conf clubs so in this country where football is watched obsessively from conf up it won't work
How can you play competitive games in a league but not get promoted to the same league your a club is in
In league 2 and 1 more people watch than In most other countries top leagues (except their champions league and Uefa cup teams)
VG Callum ain't thick he knows this is a big season for him and it's totally down to him , if he adds the mental toughness of being a real player to his ability he can do it
It he don't he will not succeed with us 100% that is for certain
I don't know... ask the german and spanish clubs... seems to work well for them.
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The ball retention problem is something that should be addressed as soon as kids are old enough to kick a ball not between 18-23 years old.
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My point is we let the more technical players who are short and weedy go in favour of the 6'2" units 15 year olds because they're stronger, faster and taller. We then end up with a bunch of players who hoof the ball up the pitch. We don't keep on the smaller, weaker players who are technically a lot better and get them to bulk up when they've stopped growing, at around 19/20 and then judge them after a year or two. You get the occasional freak who's fast, strong and technically very good but they're very few and far between.
This view is shared by the likes of Dario Gradi who's on the FA panel, I'd trust his view over yours.
Never have i said you should take my over Dario Gradi. People have different opinions, stop bitching.
You are basically saying we need to be giving small players a chance who have technical ability but apart from the Spanish i really can not think of a team made up of short players in the national game. It would be interesting to see average height and are English players actually stronger?
Its alright if he's that good he will be picked up by one of the massive foreign clubs who like short players.
Either that, or he will be snapped up by a top Prem side in the next few weeks.
But, he's quality, went on trial to burnley recently. /ackworthpost
ahhh yeah, sorry, forgot that all decent players must be at league clubs, i guess the likes of chris smalling were absolute dogshite until the ink fell onto his fulham contract. Your attitude, as i said before, is archaic.
'Archaic'. Thanks for the new word. I will endeavour to fit that into a conversation tommorrow.
How can you play competitive games in a league but not get promoted to the same league your a club is in
In league 2 and 1 more people watch than In most other countries top leagues (except their champions league and Uefa cup teams)
VG Callum ain't thick he knows this is a big season for him and it's totally down to him , if he adds the mental toughness of being a real player to his ability he can do it
It he don't he will not succeed with us 100% that is for certain
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