Was there any point in staying up?
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Problem is it seems like the easy bits like signing up Dervite and Morrisson early doors weren't done. The difficult bit of improving the weak areas like up front have been joined with fixing the problems we appear to have allowed to arise because of a lack of foresight.
Maybe thats oversimplifying what really happened, but whatever. ..its far from encouraging.1 -
Dave: `Was there any point in staying up?'
LOL thread title of the year!
Joking aside, I understand your frustration Dave....I think most of us feel the same
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As an old time copper oft said "Move on please sir".stonemuse said:
Starting from scratch ...as Chris Powell did? And succeeded.Dave2l said:
Correct, by all means get rid of the dead wood, freshen it up, but not to the point of where no one is familiar with anyone else and we are starting from scratch in building a team.BigRedEvil said:It is worrying seeing the team dismantled, this time last season we was dreaming of a few quality editions and having a real crack at making the play offs. Now half that team amd coaching staff are gone.
Is Roland right? Time will tell, he risked in January by selling Yann and then appointing Riga. It paid off. Come August the squad will look very different to how it looks now.0 -
At £150 a season ticket i'm happy whoever we play.1
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Precisely. Whatever reasons/excuses are given it seems very plain that Duchatelet has been wanting to get rid of the higher earners and replacing them with 'less suitable' players.Kiely#1 said:Problem is it seems like the easy bits like signing up Dervite and Morrisson early doors weren't done. The difficult bit of improving the weak areas like up front have been joined with fixing the problems we appear to have allowed to arise because of a lack of foresight.
Maybe thats oversimplifying what really happened, but whatever. ..its far from encouraging.
Once today's Derby v Rangers game is over and I can then get my odds at the bookies and stick a bullseye on us going down(comfortably) next season.0 -
Think I can get a tonbridge angels s/t for thatstonewallpenalty said:At £150 a season ticket i'm happy whoever we play.
They at least show desire and fight and if they don't have the quality!
Or might just spend more time fishing
At least if I catch nothing I have no one else to blame for the poor performance
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Agreed good callElfsborgAddick said:
Precisely. Whatever reasons/excuses are given it seems very plain that Duchatelet has been wanting to get rid of the higher earners and replacing them with 'less suitable' players.Kiely#1 said:Problem is it seems like the easy bits like signing up Dervite and Morrisson early doors weren't done. The difficult bit of improving the weak areas like up front have been joined with fixing the problems we appear to have allowed to arise because of a lack of foresight.
Maybe thats oversimplifying what really happened, but whatever. ..its far from encouraging.
Once today's Derby v Rangers game is over and I can then get my odds at the bookies and stick a bullseye on us going down(comfortably) next season.
Dead cert
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We are not even out of May. Bit early to be throwing the towel in. Honestly some Charlton fans make me question why I support this Club.floydroadfaithfull said:
Agreed good callElfsborgAddick said:
Precisely. Whatever reasons/excuses are given it seems very plain that Duchatelet has been wanting to get rid of the higher earners and replacing them with 'less suitable' players.Kiely#1 said:Problem is it seems like the easy bits like signing up Dervite and Morrisson early doors weren't done. The difficult bit of improving the weak areas like up front have been joined with fixing the problems we appear to have allowed to arise because of a lack of foresight.
Maybe thats oversimplifying what really happened, but whatever. ..its far from encouraging.
Once today's Derby v Rangers game is over and I can then get my odds at the bookies and stick a bullseye on us going down(comfortably) next season.
Dead cert
The thread title is embarrassing.
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So ur telling me it still feels like good old Charlton to you does it?dickplumb said:
We are not even out of May. Bit early to be throwing the towel in. Honestly some Charlton fans make me question why I support this Club.floydroadfaithfull said:
Agreed good callElfsborgAddick said:
Precisely. Whatever reasons/excuses are given it seems very plain that Duchatelet has been wanting to get rid of the higher earners and replacing them with 'less suitable' players.Kiely#1 said:Problem is it seems like the easy bits like signing up Dervite and Morrisson early doors weren't done. The difficult bit of improving the weak areas like up front have been joined with fixing the problems we appear to have allowed to arise because of a lack of foresight.
Maybe thats oversimplifying what really happened, but whatever. ..its far from encouraging.
Once today's Derby v Rangers game is over and I can then get my odds at the bookies and stick a bullseye on us going down(comfortably) next season.
Dead cert
The thread title is embarrassing.
To me it's lost it's identity and just doesn't feel right to me but hey if u like ur club being run from belgium and sending over their castoffs to manage and play here and that feels right to you be my guest!
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I have to say I don't get that feeling one bit. It's still my Charlton. The players pull on the red shirt and look happy when they score and down when we lose. There are still potholes in the car park. Football isn't like it was and never will be again.floydroadfaithfull said:
So ur telling me it still feels like good old Charlton to you does it?dickplumb said:
We are not even out of May. Bit early to be throwing the towel in. Honestly some Charlton fans make me question why I support this Club.floydroadfaithfull said:
Agreed good callElfsborgAddick said:
Precisely. Whatever reasons/excuses are given it seems very plain that Duchatelet has been wanting to get rid of the higher earners and replacing them with 'less suitable' players.Kiely#1 said:Problem is it seems like the easy bits like signing up Dervite and Morrisson early doors weren't done. The difficult bit of improving the weak areas like up front have been joined with fixing the problems we appear to have allowed to arise because of a lack of foresight.
Maybe thats oversimplifying what really happened, but whatever. ..its far from encouraging.
Once today's Derby v Rangers game is over and I can then get my odds at the bookies and stick a bullseye on us going down(comfortably) next season.
Dead cert
The thread title is embarrassing.
To me it's lost it's identity and just doesn't feel right to me but hey if u like ur club being run from belgium and sending over their castoffs to manage and play here and that feels right to you be my guest!
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Or like Hamer they're considering better offers from other clubs. He wants to cut the wage bill but he also won't want to see us get relegated next season.ElfsborgAddick said:
Precisely. Whatever reasons/excuses are given it seems very plain that Duchatelet has been wanting to get rid of the higher earners and replacing them with 'less suitable' players.Kiely#1 said:Problem is it seems like the easy bits like signing up Dervite and Morrisson early doors weren't done. The difficult bit of improving the weak areas like up front have been joined with fixing the problems we appear to have allowed to arise because of a lack of foresight.
Maybe thats oversimplifying what really happened, but whatever. ..its far from encouraging.
Once today's Derby v Rangers game is over and I can then get my odds at the bookies and stick a bullseye on us going down(comfortably) next season.
They might all leave but that doesn't mean it's completely RDs fault.0 -
Whose fault is it then?Scoham said:
Or like Hamer they're considering better offers from other clubs. He wants to cut the wage bill but he also won't want to see us get relegated next season.ElfsborgAddick said:
Precisely. Whatever reasons/excuses are given it seems very plain that Duchatelet has been wanting to get rid of the higher earners and replacing them with 'less suitable' players.Kiely#1 said:Problem is it seems like the easy bits like signing up Dervite and Morrisson early doors weren't done. The difficult bit of improving the weak areas like up front have been joined with fixing the problems we appear to have allowed to arise because of a lack of foresight.
Maybe thats oversimplifying what really happened, but whatever. ..its far from encouraging.
Once today's Derby v Rangers game is over and I can then get my odds at the bookies and stick a bullseye on us going down(comfortably) next season.
They might all leave but that doesn't mean it's completely RDs fault.
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At the moment it does look pretty sad and as has been said on here before, it looks like RD is trying to get football "on the cheap".
Only time will tell if it works out but it's a risky business as most other teams will be investing in players, both fees & or wages.
RD seems to want to buck this trend and whilst I understand the reasons for doing it, if we become the only club taking this strategy we will be doing well to survive next year.
Lets face facts we have Katrien in charge of the day to day club activities, very inexperienced, The new manger coming in, very inexperienced. RD appears to want to sign younger players, again inexperienced.
I think, as I have said above our work will be cut out to survive next year if this strategy proves to be the one taken.
By the way change inexperienced for cheap in the above scenarios if you wish. ;-)0 -
How many other championship clubs have already signed players ? Bolton and a few others no doubt. It's still very early and ridiculous to be worried.2
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I'll be having a wad on us to go down when I think odds have peeked, this league takes experience in this league itself, it's like no other. We're losing that experience, our best players that have signed contracts can't hack consistent games through injuries, and I highly doubt we'll be signing anyone known for tearing this league up.
I'll give it a week or two though, play your hand RD, as you said yourself, we'll judge you fully when you've had time to do what you want.. with different wording :-)0 -
If flappy bird ends up as our no1 between the sticks I'll definitely have a big wager on us going down quicker than titanic1
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I have been supporting the club for fifty three years and no it is not the same Club as I started supporting then. Nor would I expect it to be. When I started supporting you had a couple of walls to piss against, a wooden shack selling Club Rosettes. A great big East terrace and ramshackle stands. Some of the football was still bad.
Football, as in life, things change, sometimes not for the better.
What I don't understand is some peoples constant criticism of RD. All I am saying is let us wait until the end of the Transfer window to see where we are as regards our playing strengths. If it is full of inferior loans and poor free transfers then I will be the first to have a go. But there is still a long way to go before the start of the season.8 -
Agree, well saiddickplumb said:I have been supporting the club for fifty three years and no it is not the same Club as I started supporting then. Nor would I expect it to be. When I started supporting you had a couple of walls to piss against, a wooden shack selling Club Rosettes. A great big East terrace and ramshackle stands. Some of the football was still bad.
Football, as in life, things change, sometimes not for the better.
What I don't understand is some peoples constant criticism of RD. All I am saying is let us wait until the end of the Transfer window to see where we are as regards our playing strengths. If it is full of inferior loans and poor free transfers then I will be the first to have a go. But there is still a long way to go before the start of the season.
And again well said.ShootersHillGuru said:
I have to say I don't get that feeling one bit. It's still my Charlton. The players pull on the red shirt and look happy when they score and down when we lose. There are still potholes in the car park. Football isn't like it was and never will be again.floydroadfaithfull said:
So ur telling me it still feels like good old Charlton to you does it?dickplumb said:
We are not even out of May. Bit early to be throwing the towel in. Honestly some Charlton fans make me question why I support this Club.floydroadfaithfull said:
Agreed good callElfsborgAddick said:
Precisely. Whatever reasons/excuses are given it seems very plain that Duchatelet has been wanting to get rid of the higher earners and replacing them with 'less suitable' players.Kiely#1 said:Problem is it seems like the easy bits like signing up Dervite and Morrisson early doors weren't done. The difficult bit of improving the weak areas like up front have been joined with fixing the problems we appear to have allowed to arise because of a lack of foresight.
Maybe thats oversimplifying what really happened, but whatever. ..its far from encouraging.
Once today's Derby v Rangers game is over and I can then get my odds at the bookies and stick a bullseye on us going down(comfortably) next season.
Dead cert
The thread title is embarrassing.
To me it's lost it's identity and just doesn't feel right to me but hey if u like ur club being run from belgium and sending over their castoffs to manage and play here and that feels right to you be my guest!
I am not blind to the risks and challenges we face.
And I have consistantly backed Roland while not being happy with every decision or every method.
This new era is not, imo, going to provide quick or easy solutions to the multiple long term problems we face.
It is going to be a bumpy ride but I'm hopeful we'll get there. Not as some seem to think in 3 or 4 weeks or even in 3 or 4 months but maybe in 3 or 4 years.
But whoever owns the Club, wherever it plays and who plays for it it's still our Club and I still back it2 -
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Having just seen QPR win today it was great to see the joy of their chairman Fenandes celebrating with the players.
Great result for them justifying THE SUPPORT AND TRUST THE CHAIRMAN HAD IN THE MANAGER.
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Down with the xmas decorationsfloydroadfaithfull said:If flappy bird ends up as our no1 between the sticks I'll definitely have a big wager on us going down quicker than titanic
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Errr.... I thought we were losing 5 million per year?? I don't understand people's grasp of economics. At our current wage bill we are not a viable business. Unless people do want a sugar daddy after all?RedPanda said:Throw in the supposed spurning of Riga though, and I don't blame people for panicking at this early stage. FFP appears to be the aim but as @PragueAddick has said before, that should be achieved over time. To suddenly slash an already low wage bill will leave us dangerously under-equipped next season. I really hope I'm wrong but at current it looks like being another long and trying year.
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Can't believe I'm the first to suggest( albeit tentatively at this stage) that Bob the Builder could be our man !Henry Irving said:This is a bit like when you are doing some building work.
You've ripped out the old walls and fittings and the place looks a mess.
But if you get the right builder in he can rebuild it better than before.
But if you can't find a reliable tradesman or two then you are left with a mess.
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Duchatelet has a sizeable wedgebalham red said:
Errr.... I thought we were losing 5 million per year?? I don't understand people's grasp of economics. At our current wage bill we are not a viable business. Unless people do want a sugar daddy after all?RedPanda said:Throw in the supposed spurning of Riga though, and I don't blame people for panicking at this early stage. FFP appears to be the aim but as @PragueAddick has said before, that should be achieved over time. To suddenly slash an already low wage bill will leave us dangerously under-equipped next season. I really hope I'm wrong but at current it looks like being another long and trying year.
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I would count myself as one of the younger generation of Charlton fans(im 24), for me Charlton is about the Valley, the badge, singing Red Red Robin when the teams come out and all the great community work this club does.
I could not care less what part of the world players come from.
It is only players from our academy that have that extra special satisfaction from watching, which it would seem will be major positive under the Duchalet tenure.
So for me, nothing about this strategy seems to be destroying the soul of the club.
I might not agree with everything our current owner does and i might wish that we all knew every detail of the strategy and which players would be playing for us next season but in the end right now the Charlton that i and many others im sure love still exists.
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It's not one person's fault. The previous board didn't get them signed up on new contracts. Other clubs can afford to offer more money than us, did you expect us to keep Hamer for example, when a Premier League club came in for him?floydroadfaithfull said:
Whose fault is it then?Scoham said:
Or like Hamer they're considering better offers from other clubs. He wants to cut the wage bill but he also won't want to see us get relegated next season.ElfsborgAddick said:
Precisely. Whatever reasons/excuses are given it seems very plain that Duchatelet has been wanting to get rid of the higher earners and replacing them with 'less suitable' players.Kiely#1 said:Problem is it seems like the easy bits like signing up Dervite and Morrisson early doors weren't done. The difficult bit of improving the weak areas like up front have been joined with fixing the problems we appear to have allowed to arise because of a lack of foresight.
Maybe thats oversimplifying what really happened, but whatever. ..its far from encouraging.
Once today's Derby v Rangers game is over and I can then get my odds at the bookies and stick a bullseye on us going down(comfortably) next season.
They might all leave but that doesn't mean it's completely RDs fault.
How far should we go to keep a player like Dervite? He's done well enough for us but is he worth a 3 or 4 year contract and/or a big wage increase? I don't think it's been confirmed yet but from the sounds of it he's getting a long term deal at Bolton which will probably be on a better wage.0 -
Keep the faith.
Lots of dross cleared out.
Should be judged on who comes in and how they perform.
Think many of the naysayers are going to be pleasantly surprised next season.
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I hope your right.Absurdistan said:Keep the faith.
Lots of dross cleared out.
Should be judged on who comes in and how they perform.
Think many of the naysayers are going to be pleasantly surprised next season.
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You maybe right.
I have very little faith in RD to be honest, but that kind of stuff COULD be turned around.
People might be holding on tightly to the fact that the bloke wasn't liked much at his other clubs, but then later proved to be a success. (Apparently)
My fear, with that, is the lucky light of risky decision making may have already gone out before we even kick off next season. It doesn't always work.
The better, or more appriciated way to run a club, from a fans point of view, is to recruit players first before letting key players head off. Keep a tight ship until certain players are no longer needed.
RD is obviously confident in his approach to things, taking risks etc.
Cautious he is not, unless you mean cautious about spending money on us.0 -
Only a lemming leaping off a cliff. Nothing to see, move along.0
