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    vffvff
    edited June 2014
    Considering the French only squeezed through qualification, it is ridiculous that their group is easier than England's.
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    vff said:

    Considering the French only squeezed through qualification, it is ridiculous that their group is easier than England's.

    Why?
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    vffvff
    edited June 2014
    Fiiiiiish said:

    vff said:

    Considering the French only squeezed through qualification, it is ridiculous that their group is easier than England's.

    Why?
    Ermmm why ? Why what ?
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    Good lord, this lot are a disgrace. It's like watching the Hanson brothers from Slapshot playing football.

    LoL. Leeds 1970
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    Had 1-1 Switzerland earlier and 3-0 France. 3-0/3-1 later please
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    CAFCsayer said:

    Had 1-1 Switzerland earlier and 3-0 France. 3-0/3-1 later please

    So only 1 correct score as Switzerland won 2-1
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    edited June 2014
    Fiiiiiish said:

    vff said:

    Considering the French only squeezed through qualification, it is ridiculous that their group is easier than England's.

    Why?
    When the World Cup Draw rules were released the lowest European Qualifiers (In terms of Seeding) were supposed to be put in Pot 2 (with the African and S.American Unseeded teams).. Instead when it was clear that team was France the person who runs UEFA (Ironically Platini who is French) decided to throw out that rule.

    Had it gone through... France NOT Italy would have been in our Group
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    vff said:

    Fiiiiiish said:

    vff said:

    Considering the French only squeezed through qualification, it is ridiculous that their group is easier than England's.

    Why?
    Ermmm why ? Why what ?
    Forget it, obviously a daft question where I could have meant 100's of different things.
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    Fiiiiiish said:

    vff said:

    Considering the French only squeezed through qualification, it is ridiculous that their group is easier than England's.

    Why?
    When the World Cup Draw rules were released the lowest European Qualifiers (In terms of Seeding) were supposed to be put in the Group that had another unseeded European team.. Instead when it was clear that team was France the person who runs UEFA (Ironically Platini who is French) decided to throw out that rule.

    Had it gone through... France NOT Italy would have been in our Group
    And we still would of lost lol
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    Fiiiiiish said:

    vff said:

    Fiiiiiish said:

    vff said:

    Considering the French only squeezed through qualification, it is ridiculous that their group is easier than England's.

    Why?
    Ermmm why ? Why what ?
    Forget it, obviously a daft question where I could have meant 100's of different things.
    Thats fine. All the football is scrambling my brain too.
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    Fiiiiiish said:

    vff said:

    Considering the French only squeezed through qualification, it is ridiculous that their group is easier than England's.

    Why?
    When the World Cup Draw rules were released the lowest European Qualifiers (In terms of Seeding) were supposed to be put in the Group that had another unseeded European team.. Instead when it was clear that team was France the person who runs UEFA (Ironically Platini who is French) decided to throw out that rule.

    Had it gone through... France NOT Italy would have been in our Group
    But how can that happen if FIFA decide the rules for the WC not EUFA?

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    DRAddick said:

    Fiiiiiish said:

    vff said:

    Considering the French only squeezed through qualification, it is ridiculous that their group is easier than England's.

    Why?
    When the World Cup Draw rules were released the lowest European Qualifiers (In terms of Seeding) were supposed to be put in the Group that had another unseeded European team.. Instead when it was clear that team was France the person who runs UEFA (Ironically Platini who is French) decided to throw out that rule.

    Had it gone through... France NOT Italy would have been in our Group
    But how can that happen if FIFA decide the rules for the WC not EUFA?

    Here you go... http://www.cbc.ca/sports/soccer/fifa-world-cup-draw-tweak-may-help-france-1.2449327

    Probably because Platini and Blatter were

    (1) Friends at the time and
    (2) Didnt want too many big teams crashing out in the Groups because it would people may not care about the Knockouts
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    You think we'd have stood a better chance against that French team?

    We'd have been battered down the wings by Valbuena + co.
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    CAFCsayer said:

    Had 1-1 Switzerland earlier and 3-0 France. 3-0/3-1 later please

    So only 1 correct score as Switzerland won 2-1
    Yup, close but no cigar. Had England to be drawing 1-1 at half time yesterday and Ivory Coast to win 2-1 so all in all, good so far.
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    edited June 2014

    You think we'd have stood a better chance against that French team?

    We'd have been battered down the wings by Valbuena + co.

    Not saying that... What I'm saying is that France have possibly had an easy route through to the Knockouts (if they make it) than what they should...

    Honduras (We know about)... Ecuador (Only drew against England "B" last week)... Switzerland (How are they sixth in the world) compared with:

    England (Only managed a draw with us in Euro 2012 a Group which we won)... Uruguay (Semi Finalists in the last World Cup / Confeds Cup)... Costa Rica (Who just beat Uruguay)

    Anyway... Would France picked a strong side against Honduras because they knew they'd dominate proceedings and would need a good attacking team to get round the parked bus that was on the pitch... Against England would it have been the same side as although we're not great defensively... we can hurt teams going forward as much as they can hurt us
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    vff said:

    Considering the French only squeezed through qualification, it is ridiculous that their group is easier than England's.

    In what sense did they only squeeze through qualification? They got roughly the same number of points per match in the group as England (even though they had Spain in their group), and they actually beat Ukraine.

    Ecuador qualified ahead of Uruguay. Costa Rica were slightly ahead of Honduras. Neither Switzerland nor Italy had particularly difficult groups, but the Swiss did slightly better in qualification.

    I could imagine Dutch fans might be annoyed that despite picking up 28 out of a possible 30 points in qualification, they ended up in a tougher group than France or England. Probably not after their result on Friday.
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    You think we'd have stood a better chance against that French team?

    We'd have been battered down the wings by Valbuena + co.

    Not saying that... What I'm saying is that France have possibly had an easy route through to the Knockouts (if they make it) than what they should...

    Honduras (We know about)... Ecuador (Only drew against England "B" last week)... Switzerland (How are they sixth in the world) compared with:

    England (Only managed a draw with us in Euro 2012 a Group which we won)... Uruguay (Semi Finalists in the last World Cup / Confeds Cup)... Costa Rica (Who just beat Uruguay)

    Anyway... Would France picked a strong side against Honduras because they knew they'd dominate proceedings and would need a good attacking team to get round the parked bus that was on the pitch... Against England would it have been the same side as although we're not great defensively... we can hurt teams going forward as much as they can hurt us
    The biggest case of being bias to prove a point ever, Honduras who drew with England, Ecuador who drew with England and Switzerland who are 6th in the world would make it look like France have a tough group. Italy & Costa Rica both drew with a poor Irish side not in the top 60 and Uruaguay who lost to Costa Rica would make the argument totally different.
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    IA said:

    vff said:

    Considering the French only squeezed through qualification, it is ridiculous that their group is easier than England's.

    In what sense did they only squeeze through qualification? They got roughly the same number of points per match in the group as England (even though they had Spain in their group), and they actually beat Ukraine.

    Ecuador qualified ahead of Uruguay. Costa Rica were slightly ahead of Honduras. Neither Switzerland nor Italy had particularly difficult groups, but the Swiss did slightly better in qualification.

    I could imagine Dutch fans might be annoyed that despite picking up 28 out of a possible 30 points in qualification, they ended up in a tougher group than France or England. Probably not after their result on Friday.
    Spot on.

    Teams are in major tournaments because they deserve to be there and beat what they had to.

    Just because a team was good 4 years ago does not mean they are at that same level 4 years later, such as Uruguay.
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    If you're going to win ye World Cup you've got to beat the best. So stop complaining about the draw.
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