Decent performance - although the knee-jerk brigade will obviously see it differently.
I was absolutely embarrassed by our performance in 2006 and 2010 when we basically appeared to have no pattern of play or tactics whatsoever but here in all three games we have looked like a team trying to do things the right way.
It was a horrible, horrible group to be drawn in and we have basically paid the price for defensive mistakes and a failure to take chances - yes, I am looking at you Wayne.
However, we actually looked to be playing some very reasonable, patient football and in the likes of Sturridge, Sterling, Barkley, Wilshire, Shaw and others we really look to have some great young players coming through.
Its disappointing to go out but I think the results don't always tell the whole story, we could easily have drawn with Italy and beaten Uruguay but the key moments went against us this time - the margins of error are just so small.
they should be boooed off the plane, apart from useful flashes against italy, we saw little spirit, they were technically inept & tactically naive. so nice to see some fresher names/faces doing well this time around - costa rica, iran, mexico for example...c'mon reza, finish the job against bosnia...
Decent performance - although the knee-jerk brigade will obviously see it differently.
I was absolutely embarrassed by our performance in 2006 and 2010 when we basically appeared to have no pattern of play or tactics whatsoever but here in all three games we have looked like a team trying to do things the right way.
It was a horrible, horrible group to be drawn in and we have basically paid the price for defensive mistakes and a failure to take chances - yes, I am looking at you Wayne.
However, we actually looked to be playing some very reasonable, patient football and in the likes of Sturridge, Sterling, Barkley, Wilshire, Shaw and others we really look to have some great young players coming through.
Its disappointing to go out but I think the results don't always tell the whole story, we could easily have drawn with Italy and beaten Uruguay but the key moments went against us this time - the margins of error are just so small.
whilst I agree with you, Sturridge probably missed more chances than Rooney. His touch today was terrible .
Decent performance - although the knee-jerk brigade will obviously see it differently.
I was absolutely embarrassed by our performance in 2006 and 2010 when we basically appeared to have no pattern of play or tactics whatsoever but here in all three games we have looked like a team trying to do things the right way.
It was a horrible, horrible group to be drawn in and we have basically paid the price for defensive mistakes and a failure to take chances - yes, I am looking at you Wayne.
However, we actually looked to be playing some very reasonable, patient football and in the likes of Sturridge, Sterling, Barkley, Wilshire, Shaw and others we really look to have some great young players coming through.
Its disappointing to go out but I think the results don't always tell the whole story, we could easily have drawn with Italy and beaten Uruguay but the key moments went against us this time - the margins of error are just so small.
Decent performance - although the knee-jerk brigade will obviously see it differently.
I was absolutely embarrassed by our performance in 2006 and 2010 when we basically appeared to have no pattern of play or tactics whatsoever but here in all three games we have looked like a team trying to do things the right way.
It was a horrible, horrible group to be drawn in and we have basically paid the price for defensive mistakes and a failure to take chances - yes, I am looking at you Wayne.
However, we actually looked to be playing some very reasonable, patient football and in the likes of Sturridge, Sterling, Barkley, Wilshire, Shaw and others we really look to have some great young players coming through.
Its disappointing to go out but I think the results don't always tell the whole story, we could easily have drawn with Italy and beaten Uruguay but the key moments went against us this time - the margins of error are just so small.
whilst I agree with you, Sturridge probably missed more chances than Rooney. His touch today was terrible .
He did but that was a great piece of football to play the one-two with Wilshire to create the chance in the first place.
For me the Rooney header against Uruguay was the turning point, it was not an easy chance and he did well to even connect but if that had gone in....
Costa Rica were dogshit today, and we still couldn't beat them. Both teams were so dire, most boring game of the WC so far.
As good as Shaw, Sterling, Lallanna etc are, I don't think the future will be anywhere near as bright as some are hoping it to be. Especially not under Hodgson.
Tactics are shit. We are not that good technically so why try and play that way... We should play two centre forwards and two proper wingers and get the ball in the box.
Tactics are shit. We are not that good technically so why try and play that way... We should play two centre forwards and two proper wingers and get the ball in the box.
difficult to accept that we are so far behind the powerhouse nations, but agree cs1986
A big thing for me is that Sturridge is a very good striker - not a great one. Maybe that is a position where a big difference can be found - either by Sturridge improving or England finding an alternative.
How far do you think Costa Rica and Uruguay will go in the knockout stage?
Costa Rica were poor today - but nobody beats Uruguay and Italy unless they are a very decent side.
As for Uruguay, it depends on whether Suarez is banned, if he is available then with Cavani they can make the QFs and maybe the SFs.
Compare the England group with the Colombia - Ivory Coast - Japan - Greece group or take your pick of Groups E, F or H all of which are weak outside the #1 seeded team.
The only group harder than England's was the Holland - Spain - Chile - Australia group which (excluding the Aussies) contains three very, very good sides.
How far do you think Costa Rica and Uruguay will go in the knockout stage?
Costa Rica were poor today - but nobody beats Uruguay and Italy unless they are a very decent side.
As for Uruguay, it depends on whether Suarez is banned, if he is available then with Cavani they can make the QFs and maybe the SFs.
Compare the England group with the Colombia - Ivory Coast - Japan - Greece group or take your pick of Groups E, F or H all of which are weak outside the #1 seeded team.
The only group harder than England's was the Holland - Spain - Chile - Australia group which (excluding the Aussies) contains three very, very good sides.
Fair enough. I think the group looked more difficult on paper than it really was. I also think the German, Swiss and Brazilian groups are more difficult (ie if England replaced Portugal, France or Croatia, we would probably be having the same conversation).
You compare it to Colombia's group, who they'll face in the 2nd round. I think one at most of Uruguay/Costa Rica will progress to quarter finals, and neither will reach the semi-finals. I'd probably back both Costa Rica and Uruguay to go out in the 2nd round, to be honest.
Decent performance - although the knee-jerk brigade will obviously see it differently.
I was absolutely embarrassed by our performance in 2006 and 2010 when we basically appeared to have no pattern of play or tactics whatsoever but here in all three games we have looked like a team trying to do things the right way.
It was a horrible, horrible group to be drawn in and we have basically paid the price for defensive mistakes and a failure to take chances - yes, I am looking at you Wayne.
However, we actually looked to be playing some very reasonable, patient football and in the likes of Sturridge, Sterling, Barkley, Wilshire, Shaw and others we really look to have some great young players coming through.
Its disappointing to go out but I think the results don't always tell the whole story, we could easily have drawn with Italy and beaten Uruguay but the key moments went against us this time - the margins of error are just so small.
Great post. I think people are being overly critical and a bit unfair on England. I much preferred watching this England team to the ones we had in '06 and '10 even if we did get further.
Wilshire, Shelvey and Barkley in the middle is the future - Euro 2016. Can't see why we can't still use Gerrard from the bench - clearly has a desire to continue!
How far do you think Costa Rica and Uruguay will go in the knockout stage?
Costa Rica were poor today - but nobody beats Uruguay and Italy unless they are a very decent side.
As for Uruguay, it depends on whether Suarez is banned, if he is available then with Cavani they can make the QFs and maybe the SFs.
Compare the England group with the Colombia - Ivory Coast - Japan - Greece group or take your pick of Groups E, F or H all of which are weak outside the #1 seeded team.
The only group harder than England's was the Holland - Spain - Chile - Australia group which (excluding the Aussies) contains three very, very good sides.
Fair enough. I think the group looked more difficult on paper than it really was. I also think the German, Swiss and Brazilian groups are more difficult (ie if England replaced Portugal, France or Croatia, we would probably be having the same conversation).
You compare it to Colombia's group, who they'll face in the 2nd round. I think one at most of Uruguay/Costa Rica will progress to quarter finals, and neither will reach the semi-finals. I'd probably back both Costa Rica and Uruguay to go out in the 2nd round, to be honest.
Its so hard to make comparisons between teams but England have been exposed by two world-class strikers, Balotelli and Suarez, and if you look at how other decent technical teams fail to score goals at crucial times you can see how much more dangerous it is to face teams with those types of players in them.
Facing strikers like that is basically often the difference between drawing 1-1 and losing 2-1!
another odd decision by Roy though, just as Lallana was starting to stretch their defence with some decent movement, he is taken off, exactly the same happened to Sterling against Uruguay, both bizarre decisions IMHO.
Disappointing, though not surprising world cup, but if you are going to make a big point of taking youngsters, like Shaw, Barkeley or Lallana they should play, not be bought on for a dead rubber or the end of a match we are chasing after the old guard and Glen Johnson have let us down.
How far do you think Costa Rica and Uruguay will go in the knockout stage?
Costa Rica were poor today - but nobody beats Uruguay and Italy unless they are a very decent side.
As for Uruguay, it depends on whether Suarez is banned, if he is available then with Cavani they can make the QFs and maybe the SFs.
Compare the England group with the Colombia - Ivory Coast - Japan - Greece group or take your pick of Groups E, F or H all of which are weak outside the #1 seeded team.
The only group harder than England's was the Holland - Spain - Chile - Australia group which (excluding the Aussies) contains three very, very good sides.
Fair enough. I think the group looked more difficult on paper than it really was. I also think the German, Swiss and Brazilian groups are more difficult (ie if England replaced Portugal, France or Croatia, we would probably be having the same conversation).
You compare it to Colombia's group, who they'll face in the 2nd round. I think one at most of Uruguay/Costa Rica will progress to quarter finals, and neither will reach the semi-finals. I'd probably back both Costa Rica and Uruguay to go out in the 2nd round, to be honest.
Its so hard to make comparisons between teams but England have been exposed by two world-class strikers, Balotelli and Suarez, and if you look at how other decent technical teams fail to score goals at crucial times you can see how much more dangerous it is to face teams with those types of players in them.
Facing strikers like that is basically often the difference between drawing 1-1 and losing 2-1!
OK fair comment. I agree with the rest of what you say though. Far better than 2010 and trying to do things in the right way. I don't think it would be right to expect huge success any time soon, but could be some progress.
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Gerrard and Rooney come on and its back to nothingness.
I was absolutely embarrassed by our performance in 2006 and 2010 when we basically appeared to have no pattern of play or tactics whatsoever but here in all three games we have looked like a team trying to do things the right way.
It was a horrible, horrible group to be drawn in and we have basically paid the price for defensive mistakes and a failure to take chances - yes, I am looking at you Wayne.
However, we actually looked to be playing some very reasonable, patient football and in the likes of Sturridge, Sterling, Barkley, Wilshire, Shaw and others we really look to have some great young players coming through.
Its disappointing to go out but I think the results don't always tell the whole story, we could easily have drawn with Italy and beaten Uruguay but the key moments went against us this time - the margins of error are just so small.
For me the Rooney header against Uruguay was the turning point, it was not an easy chance and he did well to even connect but if that had gone in....
As good as Shaw, Sterling, Lallanna etc are, I don't think the future will be anywhere near as bright as some are hoping it to be. Especially not under Hodgson.
Costa Rica were only in 2nd gear.
probably deserved 3 draws meaning we would still be bottom and going home.
Roy what game was you watching ?
Far to many players just wanted this game to be over
Great support for a shit team
As for Uruguay, it depends on whether Suarez is banned, if he is available then with Cavani they can make the QFs and maybe the SFs.
Compare the England group with the Colombia - Ivory Coast - Japan - Greece group or take your pick of Groups E, F or H all of which are weak outside the #1 seeded team.
The only group harder than England's was the Holland - Spain - Chile - Australia group which (excluding the Aussies) contains three very, very good sides.
You compare it to Colombia's group, who they'll face in the 2nd round. I think one at most of Uruguay/Costa Rica will progress to quarter finals, and neither will reach the semi-finals. I'd probably back both Costa Rica and Uruguay to go out in the 2nd round, to be honest.
Facing strikers like that is basically often the difference between drawing 1-1 and losing 2-1!
Disappointing, though not surprising world cup, but if you are going to make a big point of taking youngsters, like Shaw, Barkeley or Lallana they should play, not be bought on for a dead rubber or the end of a match we are chasing after the old guard and Glen Johnson have let us down.